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On being depressed (SPOILER: CANCER)

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sorry, Aware1…..I hate reading about people who are living such full lives…and then get cut down like ‘this’… ~Rice.

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Life is so unfair sometimes.

I was talking with an old friend on the phone today.  At one point he said "Well, I’m just happy to be here."  He said it was his new favorite saying.  Fit’s most occasions.  You have to have the "just" in there too. I’m just happy to be here. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man  *and*  The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.

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Life is so unfair sometimes. Today I give thanks just for being alive and healthy.  There are so many worse things to live with than depression. This has been bothering me all day, and I needed to release it. God bless you, Judy, I love you. Aware1 —

     your so right.I tell myself,a lot more then I used to,how lucky I am for the small things in life,the things that are so easy to take for granted.Life deals us smone nasty,awful surprises.my sister for instance.She is 29 and she has cancer…how in the world could this happen?IT makes ansolutly no sense.Even my doctor couldn’t understand it.He said "does she live next to a nuclear power plant,does she work in an enviorment with alot of chemicals and pollution?"As far as I know the awnser is not to both questions.It’s so hard to understand why there is so much suffering,disease….             "Alvintchase"

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I’m sorry to hear that … perspective is a wonderful and awful thing. Take care … BG

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It came this morning. An e-mail from the roommate of one of my former classmates at Pratt. She was studying art at U of London and was so happy (she had to leave the Pratt program), she visited Stonehenge and her e-mails were full of adventure, passion, and joy.  She’s 65 and vibrant and funny and her Cheshire Cat grin lights up any room she enters. She flew back to the US St. Patrick’s day and spent two weeks in the hospital, she is home now, being fed through a gastric tube. What was first diagnosed as allergy-induced asthma is now advanced metastized lung cancer, she is not expected to last more than a few months.   There is a large tumor on the right lung, a fairly large mass on the liver, a lesion on her brain, and involvement of her ribs. Oh shit. It’s put things in greater perspective for me.  Depression sucks, but I can live with it.  At least I can fucking LIVE. Life is so unfair sometimes. Today I give thanks just for being alive and healthy.  There are so many worse things to live with than depression. This has been bothering me all day, and I needed to release it. God bless you, Judy, I love you. Aware1 — Toto… I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.

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Fistler's Experiment, one month on

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Hi Aramanth, Sorry to hear you didn’t loose anything during the month, but at least you haven’t gained… If the "calorie theory" people were right, you consumed (figuring 30 days for round numbers) approximately 25,000 to 30,000 more calories during this month than you have normally been consuming… This should translate to a 7 to 8.5 pound *gain* in weight (assuming 1 pound of fat= 3500 calories)… (Also using US measurements here, I know you are from Australia) At the very least, you have proven to yourself, and the rest of us here, that the calorie theory is wrong…  Our bodies are NOT heat engines, but rather a chemical factory, and there are a LOT more factors than calories in vs. calories expended in play in our bodies… I would certainly take a look at the web page suggested for the food intolerances…   Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…   I’ve got a friend who has been low-carbing for about 5 months who has been stalled for about 2 months…  She got a month’s supply of Essiac tea (1/2 ounce, twice a day) and in less than a week she had lost another 5 lbs and is continuing to loose again…  I believe the reason is similar to the "olive oil detox" theory…  Your body stores a lot of toxins "out of the way" in body fat, and as you loose weight, these toxins become more and more concentrated, and your body resists loosing more body fat, and hence making those toxins even more concentrated.  By removing those toxins you free up the body’s reluctance to burn more body fat. Brian

[snip] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My daily calorie intake before adding oil was in the region of 1800-2000 calories a day.  With the oil, but reduced food intake it went up to around 2500 – 3000.  On the 2 non-oil days I ate around 2500.  I keep track pretty obsessively <g. Thanks for the thought. Aramanth

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Where is this available?  - rima – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Aramanth, Sorry to hear you didn’t loose anything during the month, but at least you haven’t gained… If the "calorie theory" people were right, you consumed (figuring 30 days for round numbers) approximately 25,000 to 30,000 more calories during this month than you have normally been consuming… This should translate to a 7 to 8.5 pound *gain* in weight (assuming 1 pound of fat= 3500 calories)… (Also using US measurements here, I know you are from Australia) At the very least, you have proven to yourself, and the rest of us here, that the calorie theory is wrong…  Our bodies are NOT heat engines, but rather a chemical factory, and there are a LOT more factors than calories in vs. calories expended in play in our bodies…

Yes, that’s pretty much the conclusion I came to.  It was nice to be able to confirm that FOR ME, calories in and out means very little.  I already knew that it doesn’t matter how little I eat, I can gain weight if it’s primarily carbs, so now knowing that I can ‘eat’ a lot but I won’t gain if it’s primarily fat is reassuring. I have little trouble converting in my head between pounds and kg – I had the fortune (although I didn’t think so at the time!) to be part of the ‘transitional’ period at school, where we were converting from imperial to metric.  Now, I find it’s a doddle to think in both systems, so much so that I’ve been known to have to stop and think to convert measurements consitantly when I’m sharing recipes.  It doesn’t occur to me that someone might be upset at 2oz of this and 100g of that! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would certainly take a look at the web page suggested for the food intolerances…   Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…   I’ve got a friend who has been low-carbing for about 5 months who has been stalled for about 2 months…  She got a month’s supply of Essiac tea (1/2 ounce, twice a day) and in less than a week she had lost another 5 lbs and is continuing to loose again…  I believe the reason is similar to the "olive oil detox" theory…  Your body stores a lot of toxins "out of the way" in body fat, and as you loose weight, these toxins become more and more concentrated, and your body resists loosing more body fat, and hence making those toxins even more concentrated.  By removing those toxins you free up the body’s reluctance to burn more body fat. Brian

I’ve been looking at Essiac tea for a couple of months, but I’m reluctant to try it.  I have a fair few identified allergies already and I’m not really keen about adding in another ‘complex blend’ of substances just at the moment.  I’ve started the preparation for the elimination diet (well into the fast as I type this) and I’ll see how I go.  If I don’t get any ‘joy’ from the Elimination diet (by this I mean if I can only identify ‘maintainance’ or ‘problem’ foods but no ‘loose weight, feel great’ foods) I’ll look again at this option.  For obvious reasons, I think it’s a Good Thing to change one variable at a time. Thanks for the suggestion. Aramanth

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Do a search on the web, you should find several sources for Essiac. I *personally* use the Essiac from www.radianthealth.org (I have no affiliation with them) since a pharmacy in town carries the products, but I have no idea if it is available cheaper elsewhere…  I do use the "dry" formula and "brew it" myself, as it is about 1/4 the cost… Pre-brewed it’s about $35/month, brew it yourself, it’s about $10 for 30 ounces. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where is this available?  - rima Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…

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Brian, I found some in NZ!! In fact I am part way through the process of making it up. (It is doing its overnight ’soak’ at the moment.) So I’ll have my first dose tomorrow night. Do you think the detox effect is kicking in for you? Like that friend of yours who lost 5 pounds in their first week on the tea? Brenda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do a search on the web, you should find several sources for Essiac. I *personally* use the Essiac from www.radianthealth.org (I have no affiliation with them) since a pharmacy in town carries the products, but I have no idea if it is available cheaper elsewhere…  I do use the "dry" formula and "brew it" myself, as it is about 1/4 the cost… Pre-brewed it’s about $35/month, brew it yourself, it’s about $10 for 30 ounces. Brian Where is this available?  - rima Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…

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Brenda, You’ll have to let us know how it works for you!  I’ve been using it since 6-28-99 and attribute part of my *complete* elimination of allergies & asthma to the Essiac detox.  I’m not talking reducing my allergies, I’m talking completely, totally gone last fall. (Which were severe enough for prescription antihistamines & 1 or 2 "cortisone" shots a year in the fall, plus allergy induced asthma when I got around fresh cut grass etc., requiring a couple puffs on ventolin to be able to breath again.)  I could even go out and mow the lawn, & trim with the weed eater and not even sneeze… My nose might run a little until I blew it to get the dirt & dust out, but we’re talking one blow and it was all gone, no itchy eyes, nothing. My parents are taking it fairly regularly and have seen a tremendous relief in arthritic symptoms, plus my father in law is taking it and it has helped his gout tremendously, he says about 80% reduction in pain…   One thing that I and almost everyone else who has used it has noticed is a slight "flu-like" feeling the first couple days, and some "mild" diarrhea.  These effects will pass after the first 4 day or so after the "major" toxins have been "cleaned" out. Let me know how you do on it. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian, I found some in NZ!! In fact I am part way through the process of making it up. (It is doing its overnight ’soak’ at the moment.) So I’ll have my first dose tomorrow night. Do you think the detox effect is kicking in for you? Like that friend of yours who lost 5 pounds in their first week on the tea? Brenda Do a search on the web, you should find several sources for Essiac. I *personally* use the Essiac from www.radianthealth.org (I have no affiliation with them) since a pharmacy in town carries the products, but I have no idea if it is available cheaper elsewhere…  I do use the "dry" formula and "brew it" myself, as it is about 1/4 the cost… Pre-brewed it’s about $35/month, brew it yourself, it’s about $10 for 30 ounces. Brian Where is this available?  - rima Another thing you might consider is some sort of "detoxifier" like Essiac tea…

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I have noticed I’ve had to blow my nose a few times lately, and put that down to detoxification. But please tell me how much you take. My instructions (http://essiac-info.org/recipe1.html) say to have a half ounce (1 Tbsp) at bedtime, mixed with a bit of warm water. But Aramanth saw instructions to take a LOT more than that. I am sticking with my low dose until I hear back from you. That’s amazing results you’ve gotten. You must be thrilled to bits. Thanks for writing. It was very encouraging reading that! Brenda Gray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brenda, You’ll have to let us know how it works for you!  I’ve been using it since 6-28-99 and attribute part of my *complete* elimination of allergies & asthma to the Essiac detox.  I’m not talking reducing my allergies, I’m talking completely, totally gone last fall. (Which were severe enough for prescription antihistamines & 1 or 2 "cortisone" shots a year in the fall, plus allergy induced asthma when I got around fresh cut grass etc., requiring a couple puffs on ventolin to be able to breath again.)  I could even go out and mow the lawn, & trim with the weed eater and not even sneeze… My nose might run a little until I blew it to get the dirt & dust out, but we’re talking one blow and it was all gone, no itchy eyes, nothing. My parents are taking it fairly regularly and have seen a tremendous relief in arthritic symptoms, plus my father in law is taking it and it has helped his gout tremendously, he says about 80% reduction in pain… One thing that I and almost everyone else who has used it has noticed is a slight "flu-like" feeling the first couple days, and some "mild" diarrhea.  These effects will pass after the first 4 day or so after the "major" toxins have been "cleaned" out. Let me know how you do on it. Brian

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Aramanth, If you are willing to drink oil to lose weight, perhaps you are ready for another experiment.  Many people have food intolerances, not allergies.  Food intolerances can cause problems from sinuses, achy joints, carb cravings, inability to lose weight, among other problems. There is an email list you can join of hard nosed long termers.  You can find how to join at the following link from Lee Rodgers page.  It is called Texas Lowcarb.  You dont have to be from Texas, but dont expect them to sugar (splenda) coat the truth. http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/grant1.html The moderator of the list, Kathleen, has worked with an elimination diet.  By trying this you may be able to pin point the foods that are causing you trouble.  These foods may be legal low carb foods, but still give you problems. Kathleen has wrote up a description of the elimination diet she (and others) tried.  You can read it at the following site: http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/elim1.html If you are going to try it, I would urge to join the list, because they can help you with any questions you have. Good Luck, Kari

I know a fair bit about elimination diets – I had to use them to determine food allergies some years back.  They are hideous things that I’ve been trying to avoid having to repeat but I know I do need to.  At the moment I’m too run off my feet to be able to take the ‘time out’ needed to start one, but in the next week or so things should slow down.  I’ll see what I can arrange. Thanks for the suggestion about the list – I’ve been thinking of signing up (had a few people suggest it to me off-list as well) for some months.  Time to take action, I guess! Aramanth

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As promised, here’s my report on this experiment.

Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to write up your report — I truly appreciate it because I’ve been wondering how things were going for you (and the others). About the time when you went off the oil and had such an appetite swing, do you think that it might have been a response to the fact that without the oil you calorie intake was greatly lowered and that may have caused the cravings or hunger?  Also do you have a rough idea of what your daily calorie intake is while taking in the oil and what it was that day without it? — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:  http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm Remove the Z from my address to respond.

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Aramanth, I’m so sorry that the oil experiment didn’t work for you. I wish that I could suggest something else for you to try, but perhaps the food intolerance issue that was brought up could use further looking into. You’ve worked so hard at this, I wish you could get the results that you want. Jo NJ

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As promised, here’s my report on this experiment. Thank you very much for taking the time and effort to write up your report — I truly appreciate it because I’ve been wondering how things were going for you (and the others). About the time when you went off the oil and had such an appetite swing, do you think that it might have been a response to the fact that without the oil you calorie intake was greatly lowered and that may have caused the cravings or hunger?  Also do you have a rough idea of what your daily calorie intake is while taking in the oil and what it was that day without it?

My daily calorie intake before adding oil was in the region of 1800-2000 calories a day.  With the oil, but reduced food intake it went up to around 2500 – 3000.  On the 2 non-oil days I ate around 2500.  I keep track pretty obsessively <g. Thanks for the thought. Aramanth

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Oh Aramanth… what a bummer. You sure gave it your best shot. Took strength to give us that report. The kind of strength that will persevere until it finds a solution. Check out the Texas idea. It helped me. So, 2 days ago I decided to abandon the experiment.  I wasn’t prepared for what followed. The second day the Carb Monster hit.  With a vengeance!  By sheer willpower and reminding myself that I AM STRONGER than those carbs calling my name I managed to keep my intake down to 60g (instead of my usual <20g, and I’m paying for that in 8lb of water retention today) but I can’t take another day like that.  So today, I’m back on the oil, having taken 40ml straight after breakfast (2 ground chicken patties, 2 tablespoons of home-made, sugar-free mayo) and I don’t want anything else.

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Hello Aramanth, If you are willing to drink oil to lose weight, perhaps you are ready for another experiment.  Many people have food intolerances, not allergies.  Food intolerances can cause problems from sinuses, achy joints, carb cravings, inability to lose weight, among other problems. There is an email list you can join of hard nosed long termers.  You can find how to join at the following link from Lee Rodgers page.  It is called Texas Lowcarb.  You dont have to be from Texas, but dont expect them to sugar (splenda) coat the truth. http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/grant1.html The moderator of the list, Kathleen, has worked with an elimination diet.  By trying this you may be able to pin point the foods that are causing you trouble.  These foods may be legal low carb foods, but still give you problems. Kathleen has wrote up a description of the elimination diet she (and others) tried.  You can read it at the following site: http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/elim1.html If you are going to try it, I would urge to join the list, because they can help you with any questions you have. Good Luck, Kari

: As promised, here’s my report on this experiment. : : For those who came in late <g  Brian Fistler, a regular poster to : this group, recently found an old diet book by a Dr Haller, which : suggested that for some people who find losing weight difficult the : ‘cure’ might be to add 4 – 6 ounces of oil (he recommended Safflower : oil) every day.  This in addition to a normal days food – so you’d be : adding 1000 – 1500 calories a day to your intake.  Brian tried it, : didn’t find any change in his weight loss pattern but found that it : killed his appetite rather thoroughly and gave up on it. : : I’m one of those who decided to try this experiment.  I’ve been : stalled a long time (since July of last year, despite following a : strict low-carb plan and exercise regime), I can’t stack since my : hypertension was NOT reversed by LC and I was ready to try anything. : : I can’t find safflower oil here.  I’ve tried flax-oil (for the : Essential Fatty Acids, or EFA’s) and even fresh-ground flax seeds and : find the underlying bitterness so dreadful I can’t swallow them.  I : can’t stand olive oil, either (again, there is an underlying : bitterness even in ‘good’ mild-flavoured oils that come highly : recommended by olive-loving friends, and I can taste that unpleasant : flavour in fresh olives).  So, I’ve been using a very nice : cold-pressed macadamia oil that I’ve found locally that is reasonably : priced, tastes fine and has a similar monounsaturate level to olive : oil. : : For the first week I took 6 oz of oil a day.  By the end of that week : I found I was not at all hungry.  In fact, it was a struggle eating : even one meal a day.  4oz of meat and a half-cup salad once a day are : not enough to provide needed protein and vitamins, but I was having : problems eating even that much.  So, thereafter I cut it back to 4oz a : day, after a small meal each time (40ml, 3 times a day). This seems : to be the level that allows me to eat a small protein-based meal at : least twice a day. : : This month I’ve been in deep ketosis, and having some periods of : ‘heat’ that have nothing to do with the temperature outside (I’m in : South Australia, where we’ve been having the hottest February in 70 : years, with temps around 38 – 43C).  However, my weight has bounced : around it’s usual hormonally-induced 10-15lb range all month, never : falling below the ‘low’ I report as my current weight.  I was hopeful : that *this* month I’d finally crack the 50lb lost barrier – I’ve been : so close so for so long!  But, with the arrival of TOM, nothing has : changed.  My ‘low’ is *still* 242, a number I’m coming to hate. : : So, 2 days ago I decided to abandon the experiment.  I wasn’t prepared : for what followed. : : The first day I enjoyed the increased appetite, and finally managed to : get in a reasonable (over 80g) serving of protein for the day.  It was : great, LC was a snap again.  This was going to work! : : The second day the Carb Monster hit.  With a vengeance! By sheer : willpower and reminding myself that I AM STRONGER than those carbs : calling my name I managed to keep my intake down to 60g (instead of my : usual <20g, and I’m paying for that in 8lb of water retention today) : but I can’t take another day like that.  So today, I’m back on the : oil, having taken 40ml straight after breakfast (2 ground chicken : patties, 2 tablespoons of home-made, sugar-free mayo) and I don’t want : anything else. : : I really wish I could stack.  So many people have reported Good Things : about the ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin combo to get them past these : plateaus and speed up weight loss.  It’s not a good thing for people : on antihypertensives, though, and I still need my 100mg of atenolol : and 10mg Norvasc daily to keep my bp under control.  The only other : ‘thermogenic’ that I’ve heard of is capsacin, the ‘hot’ part of red : peppers.  Unfortunately for me capsacin leads to major breathing : difficulties so this is also out. : : So that’s where I stand.  I’m not gaining but neither am I losing : weight.  The additional oil is helping me to keep the carb-desires : under control, so this is a Good Thing.  However, I was so hopeful : that *this* was going to be my answer.  Now that it seems that it’s : not, I’m feeling pretty despondant about the whole thing. I’m not : giving up on LC – I feel so well, most of the time, and the : improvement to my kidney function is nothing short of astonishing – : but I sure wish it was working for me the way it works for some of : you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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As promised, here’s my report on this experiment. For those who came in late <g  Brian Fistler, a regular poster to this group, recently found an old diet book by a Dr Haller, which suggested that for some people who find losing weight difficult the ‘cure’ might be to add 4 – 6 ounces of oil (he recommended Safflower oil) every day.  This in addition to a normal days food – so you’d be adding 1000 – 1500 calories a day to your intake.  Brian tried it, didn’t find any change in his weight loss pattern but found that it killed his appetite rather thoroughly and gave up on it. I’m one of those who decided to try this experiment.  I’ve been stalled a long time (since July of last year, despite following a strict low-carb plan and exercise regime), I can’t stack since my hypertension was NOT reversed by LC and I was ready to try anything. I can’t find safflower oil here.  I’ve tried flax-oil (for the Essential Fatty Acids, or EFA’s) and even fresh-ground flax seeds and find the underlying bitterness so dreadful I can’t swallow them.  I can’t stand olive oil, either (again, there is an underlying bitterness even in ‘good’ mild-flavoured oils that come highly recommended by olive-loving friends, and I can taste that unpleasant flavour in fresh olives).  So, I’ve been using a very nice cold-pressed macadamia oil that I’ve found locally that is reasonably priced, tastes fine and has a similar monounsaturate level to olive oil. For the first week I took 6 oz of oil a day.  By the end of that week I found I was not at all hungry.  In fact, it was a struggle eating even one meal a day.  4oz of meat and a half-cup salad once a day are not enough to provide needed protein and vitamins, but I was having problems eating even that much.  So, thereafter I cut it back to 4oz a day, after a small meal each time (40ml, 3 times a day).  This seems to be the level that allows me to eat a small protein-based meal at least twice a day. This month I’ve been in deep ketosis, and having some periods of ‘heat’ that have nothing to do with the temperature outside (I’m in South Australia, where we’ve been having the hottest February in 70 years, with temps around 38 – 43C).  However, my weight has bounced around it’s usual hormonally-induced 10-15lb range all month, never falling below the ‘low’ I report as my current weight.  I was hopeful that *this* month I’d finally crack the 50lb lost barrier – I’ve been so close so for so long!  But, with the arrival of TOM, nothing has changed.  My ‘low’ is *still* 242, a number I’m coming to hate. So, 2 days ago I decided to abandon the experiment.  I wasn’t prepared for what followed. The first day I enjoyed the increased appetite, and finally managed to get in a reasonable (over 80g) serving of protein for the day.  It was great, LC was a snap again.  This was going to work! The second day the Carb Monster hit.  With a vengeance!  By sheer willpower and reminding myself that I AM STRONGER than those carbs calling my name I managed to keep my intake down to 60g (instead of my usual <20g, and I’m paying for that in 8lb of water retention today) but I can’t take another day like that.  So today, I’m back on the oil, having taken 40ml straight after breakfast (2 ground chicken patties, 2 tablespoons of home-made, sugar-free mayo) and I don’t want anything else. I really wish I could stack.  So many people have reported Good Things about the ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin combo to get them past these plateaus and speed up weight loss.  It’s not a good thing for people on antihypertensives, though, and I still need my 100mg of atenolol and 10mg Norvasc daily to keep my bp under control.  The only other ‘thermogenic’ that I’ve heard of is capsacin, the ‘hot’ part of red peppers.  Unfortunately for me capsacin leads to major breathing difficulties so this is also out. So that’s where I stand.  I’m not gaining but neither am I losing weight.  The additional oil is helping me to keep the carb-desires under control, so this is a Good Thing.  However, I was so hopeful that *this* was going to be my answer.  Now that it seems that it’s not, I’m feeling pretty despondant about the whole thing.  I’m not giving up on LC – I feel so well, most of the time, and the improvement to my kidney function is nothing short of astonishing – but I sure wish it was working for me the way it works for some of you. Aramanth — 290/242/130 or 20% body fat, whichever comes first. Atkid since May 29th, 1998

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Severe Cat Allergies (help!)

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I have an Alpine Filter and it helps tremendously. I was the glass plates and the filter in it monthly and there is never anything to replace. It takes odors out of the air and everything! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL ^4.128.44.7!wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.jps.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:12113 Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Here is the link to the allerpet website.   http://www.allerpet.com/ Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry. Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Well I’m going to consider making an appointment with my allergist realy soon, I have allergy drops by they are over the counter stuff and I’m not so sure they work, although they  help, they burn to use at first, and it’s miserable when I don’t use them. I might have to get reactine for a while until I can solve this, but that’s a very expensive solution to a problem, I think it’s like 12$ a box of 12. Pounce eats up any spare spending money I have and I rather spend it on him than on medication for my allergies. And at any rate, if Pounce passes away, it will lighten my budget a little, but I will still have Cleo for a while yet, she’s old but she’s not that old, and Cleo seems to be the cat that has given me the most grief for my allergies. (She’s lying beside me now, I’m not reacting yet, maybe it’s prolonged exposure or something…) And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes, dad seems to be teh same way, if he uses his hand to push Cleo away then puts his hands in his face, he has the same awful reaction to her. Well I just thought I’d ask, I’m sure there are very allergic cat lovers here who have possible solutions. Unfortunately this type of allergy is unbearable, I can cope with a runny nose (which happens all the time anyways from other allergies) but I cannot take itchy, swollen, red eyes. Thanks, Rachel — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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If you are allergic to cats, the last room they should be in is your bedroom.  Keep them out !  Since you spend many (consecutive) hours in a bedroom, it is best if this room is your one allergy-free sanctuary in the house. You should also encapsulate your mattress and pillow cases in the special plastic covers made for them. This is good for dust mites and airborne cat allergen. Do you have carpet or hardwood floors?  Hardwood floors are much better for allergies, especially in the bedroom. If your cats will tolerate it, it’s good to bathe them once a week…it removes some of the Fel d 1 from their coats.  An article I read from a vet also said that wiping them down with a damp cloth made from 1 part fabric softener and at least 4 parts water is good (let them dry naturally).  Try using a fabric softener with less fragrance…fragrance is not bad for a cat…but may annoy some of them.  If your house is very dry, a humidifier is good. Unfortunately, cats get more allergenic as they get older because their skin gets dry and therefore secretes more (allergen laden) sebum.  Sometimes certain premium foods can help with their skin. Good luck !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *maybe* (hopefully) your cats have been exposed to something else you are allergic to?  I know that people can develop allergies, but they usually "build up".  Have they eaten anything different or do they go outside? Have you checked with your doctor?  Allergy tests can be a right pain in the butt, however you might be able to just be tested for a cat allergy and at least then you’d know one way or the other.  Good luck!!!! I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests). The cats never go out, it’s way too cold for kitties out here… I hope neighbourhood cow cat hasn’t been around because she is indoors staying warm and has not died from the cold (yes it’s been that bad). I have many allergies, dust for one, but I have never been affected in the eyes from dust, only from cat hair and dander. If my cats sleep on my pillow while I"m home (pounce doesn’t leave much fur so you can’t tell he’s been there on a dark patterned pillow) and I lie down, my eyes swell up, I just change the pillowcase and I know he’s been there. I thought maybe the way the cats have been shedding and stuff, and coming close my allergy has gotten worse because I never reacted to them just ‘being around’ before. I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week). — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes,

I’ll bet money that this is why your eyes are swollen and itchy. I have made the mistake a few times of petting my cats and then itching my eyes, and the result is that my eyes have swollen nearly shut. It usually takes a few days for the swelling to go down.If you feel a need to touch your eyes, and have been petting your cats, wash your hands first, and I doubt you’ll have this problem again. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Zuzu’s cat album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false

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Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry.   Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests).

If ya really want a fun test, get a cervical biopsy!  Ow ow ouch!  Or cervical needles (’scuse me while I chuck over the very memory). I’m afraid I’m at a loss now over your allergy problem.  Best wishes, my dear, you belong with cats.  :-(  Take care. — Peace freedom & justice Deanna

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I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week).

I’ve got a wide range of allergies. Some of them are readily avoidable (feathers, which is a weird one, as I’ve never really been exposed to them), to mold (less avoidable, but moving from Massachusetts to Minnesota this summer made this fall – usually my worst time – much easier, due to the earlier frost and less lingering dampness) and dust. And cats and dogs and horses. (Dogs more than horses, horses more than cats…) I’ve also got allergy induced asthma. Most of the time, my allergies are pretty readily under control. My lungs have problems if I do something really stupid, or unless the environmental allergens get out of hand. If you’ve already got an allergist, you’ve probably heard most of these recommendations before, but the major thing that helps me is having an air filter in my bedroom. The one I have was under $100, does a 12×12 foot room, I hink, and needs minimal maintainance (changing the carbon filter every 3 months, and the HEPA filter every year or so.) Mine’s reasonably quiet, even running on high, though it’s taken my SO (who’s long distance) a day or two to get used to it when he visits. It’s good white noise, anyway. It’s quieter than the air conditioner, and about the same level as a high-end fan. It helps a lot with both dust *and* cat hair. One of the ways I remembered to change the filter was that my bedroom started gaining a light layer of dust, and it hadn’t for 3 months and more. If you get one, you want one with HEPA filtering, and it should tell you some stuff about how many allergens it blocks and down to what size. Climate control can also help a lot with dustmites (the real cause for most dust allergies) – I keep my apartment cool and dry, which they dislike. (By cool, I mean a hint above ‘too cool to be naked comfortably in for long but cool enough that bare feet are an edge cool sometimes’ – I don’t have a thermostat with a number in here, but I’d guess it’s around 63-65. Below 65 starts getting you dust mite benefits, I believe.) Washing bedding in very hot water regularly (every week or two weeks) can also *really* help. I don’t do this, because I’m in an apartment, and the work load to get them washed and brought back and put on isn’t a great use of time for me right now (as the allergies aren’t that bad) but it’s an excellent way to control allergens, if you have the filter to pick up the ones tossed into the air when you change the sheets. My cat is shorthaired (generic tabby, though I think she’s got some siamese in her based on shape, voice, and attitudes), and she doesn’t sleep on the pillows I use (she sometimes sleeps on a large square one also on the bed) or near the head of the bed all that often (she prefers the feet or elsewhere in the apartment) I take allergy medicine (Claritin) every so often (about every week, now), most often when I know I’m going to be at the house of friends who have cats (and who may not have households designed to head off dustmites or have more cats, so the allergen levels are higher). Talking to your doctor will probably get you the "You should get rid of the cats" lecture (my doctor gives it to me fairly regularly, but I find my lung function is about where it was pre-cat, and my stress levels are *far* better.) You might talk about the fact that your symptoms have changed, talk about reasonable fixes (like an air filter, washing sheets more often, controlling how the cats lie on your bed, trying things like Allerpet, etc). The other thing to be *really* careful of is the chance of developing allergy induced asthma. No one’s quite sure what triggers it, but asthma *is* a deadly disease. If you discover you have problems breathing, you should take strong action (going to your doctor or the emergency room as needed, depending how bad it is.) My asthma’s more of the ’slow build’ version, where I’ll build up to having real problems, so  Ihave a few days to do somethign to take care of it, but most asthma medications have icky side effects in one way or another, they mess with your body and how it works in some very subtle ways, and they’re not much fun if you can avoid them by other measures. However, many people have much more rapid onset asthma, and it can be very easy to say "I’ll be fine in 5 minutes – only then you aren’t. I hope some of this helps – so far (4 months) I’ve been very happy with my cat, and my allergies have been fine, but it’s something I keep a careful eye on. -Gwynyth

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I have an Alpine Filter and it helps tremendously. I was the glass plates and the filter in it monthly and there is never anything to replace. It takes odors out of the air and everything! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL ^4.128.44.7!wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.jps.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:12113 Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Here is the link to the allerpet website.   http://www.allerpet.com/ Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry. Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Well I’m going to consider making an appointment with my allergist realy soon, I have allergy drops by they are over the counter stuff and I’m not so sure they work, although they  help, they burn to use at first, and it’s miserable when I don’t use them. I might have to get reactine for a while until I can solve this, but that’s a very expensive solution to a problem, I think it’s like 12$ a box of 12. Pounce eats up any spare spending money I have and I rather spend it on him than on medication for my allergies. And at any rate, if Pounce passes away, it will lighten my budget a little, but I will still have Cleo for a while yet, she’s old but she’s not that old, and Cleo seems to be the cat that has given me the most grief for my allergies. (She’s lying beside me now, I’m not reacting yet, maybe it’s prolonged exposure or something…) And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes, dad seems to be teh same way, if he uses his hand to push Cleo away then puts his hands in his face, he has the same awful reaction to her. Well I just thought I’d ask, I’m sure there are very allergic cat lovers here who have possible solutions. Unfortunately this type of allergy is unbearable, I can cope with a runny nose (which happens all the time anyways from other allergies) but I cannot take itchy, swollen, red eyes. Thanks, Rachel — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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If you are allergic to cats, the last room they should be in is your bedroom.  Keep them out !  Since you spend many (consecutive) hours in a bedroom, it is best if this room is your one allergy-free sanctuary in the house. You should also encapsulate your mattress and pillow cases in the special plastic covers made for them. This is good for dust mites and airborne cat allergen. Do you have carpet or hardwood floors?  Hardwood floors are much better for allergies, especially in the bedroom. If your cats will tolerate it, it’s good to bathe them once a week…it removes some of the Fel d 1 from their coats.  An article I read from a vet also said that wiping them down with a damp cloth made from 1 part fabric softener and at least 4 parts water is good (let them dry naturally).  Try using a fabric softener with less fragrance…fragrance is not bad for a cat…but may annoy some of them.  If your house is very dry, a humidifier is good. Unfortunately, cats get more allergenic as they get older because their skin gets dry and therefore secretes more (allergen laden) sebum.  Sometimes certain premium foods can help with their skin. Good luck !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *maybe* (hopefully) your cats have been exposed to something else you are allergic to?  I know that people can develop allergies, but they usually "build up".  Have they eaten anything different or do they go outside? Have you checked with your doctor?  Allergy tests can be a right pain in the butt, however you might be able to just be tested for a cat allergy and at least then you’d know one way or the other.  Good luck!!!! I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests). The cats never go out, it’s way too cold for kitties out here… I hope neighbourhood cow cat hasn’t been around because she is indoors staying warm and has not died from the cold (yes it’s been that bad). I have many allergies, dust for one, but I have never been affected in the eyes from dust, only from cat hair and dander. If my cats sleep on my pillow while I"m home (pounce doesn’t leave much fur so you can’t tell he’s been there on a dark patterned pillow) and I lie down, my eyes swell up, I just change the pillowcase and I know he’s been there. I thought maybe the way the cats have been shedding and stuff, and coming close my allergy has gotten worse because I never reacted to them just ‘being around’ before. I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week). — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes,

I’ll bet money that this is why your eyes are swollen and itchy. I have made the mistake a few times of petting my cats and then itching my eyes, and the result is that my eyes have swollen nearly shut. It usually takes a few days for the swelling to go down.If you feel a need to touch your eyes, and have been petting your cats, wash your hands first, and I doubt you’ll have this problem again. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Zuzu’s cat album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false

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Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry.   Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests).

If ya really want a fun test, get a cervical biopsy!  Ow ow ouch!  Or cervical needles (’scuse me while I chuck over the very memory). I’m afraid I’m at a loss now over your allergy problem.  Best wishes, my dear, you belong with cats.  :-(  Take care. — Peace freedom & justice Deanna

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I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week).

I’ve got a wide range of allergies. Some of them are readily avoidable (feathers, which is a weird one, as I’ve never really been exposed to them), to mold (less avoidable, but moving from Massachusetts to Minnesota this summer made this fall – usually my worst time – much easier, due to the earlier frost and less lingering dampness) and dust. And cats and dogs and horses. (Dogs more than horses, horses more than cats…) I’ve also got allergy induced asthma. Most of the time, my allergies are pretty readily under control. My lungs have problems if I do something really stupid, or unless the environmental allergens get out of hand. If you’ve already got an allergist, you’ve probably heard most of these recommendations before, but the major thing that helps me is having an air filter in my bedroom. The one I have was under $100, does a 12×12 foot room, I hink, and needs minimal maintainance (changing the carbon filter every 3 months, and the HEPA filter every year or so.) Mine’s reasonably quiet, even running on high, though it’s taken my SO (who’s long distance) a day or two to get used to it when he visits. It’s good white noise, anyway. It’s quieter than the air conditioner, and about the same level as a high-end fan. It helps a lot with both dust *and* cat hair. One of the ways I remembered to change the filter was that my bedroom started gaining a light layer of dust, and it hadn’t for 3 months and more. If you get one, you want one with HEPA filtering, and it should tell you some stuff about how many allergens it blocks and down to what size. Climate control can also help a lot with dustmites (the real cause for most dust allergies) – I keep my apartment cool and dry, which they dislike. (By cool, I mean a hint above ‘too cool to be naked comfortably in for long but cool enough that bare feet are an edge cool sometimes’ – I don’t have a thermostat with a number in here, but I’d guess it’s around 63-65. Below 65 starts getting you dust mite benefits, I believe.) Washing bedding in very hot water regularly (every week or two weeks) can also *really* help. I don’t do this, because I’m in an apartment, and the work load to get them washed and brought back and put on isn’t a great use of time for me right now (as the allergies aren’t that bad) but it’s an excellent way to control allergens, if you have the filter to pick up the ones tossed into the air when you change the sheets. My cat is shorthaired (generic tabby, though I think she’s got some siamese in her based on shape, voice, and attitudes), and she doesn’t sleep on the pillows I use (she sometimes sleeps on a large square one also on the bed) or near the head of the bed all that often (she prefers the feet or elsewhere in the apartment) I take allergy medicine (Claritin) every so often (about every week, now), most often when I know I’m going to be at the house of friends who have cats (and who may not have households designed to head off dustmites or have more cats, so the allergen levels are higher). Talking to your doctor will probably get you the "You should get rid of the cats" lecture (my doctor gives it to me fairly regularly, but I find my lung function is about where it was pre-cat, and my stress levels are *far* better.) You might talk about the fact that your symptoms have changed, talk about reasonable fixes (like an air filter, washing sheets more often, controlling how the cats lie on your bed, trying things like Allerpet, etc). The other thing to be *really* careful of is the chance of developing allergy induced asthma. No one’s quite sure what triggers it, but asthma *is* a deadly disease. If you discover you have problems breathing, you should take strong action (going to your doctor or the emergency room as needed, depending how bad it is.) My asthma’s more of the ’slow build’ version, where I’ll build up to having real problems, so  Ihave a few days to do somethign to take care of it, but most asthma medications have icky side effects in one way or another, they mess with your body and how it works in some very subtle ways, and they’re not much fun if you can avoid them by other measures. However, many people have much more rapid onset asthma, and it can be very easy to say "I’ll be fine in 5 minutes – only then you aren’t. I hope some of this helps – so far (4 months) I’ve been very happy with my cat, and my allergies have been fine, but it’s something I keep a careful eye on. -Gwynyth

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I have an Alpine Filter and it helps tremendously. I was the glass plates and the filter in it monthly and there is never anything to replace. It takes odors out of the air and everything! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL ^4.128.44.7!wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.jps.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:12113 Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Here is the link to the allerpet website.   http://www.allerpet.com/ Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry. Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Well I’m going to consider making an appointment with my allergist realy soon, I have allergy drops by they are over the counter stuff and I’m not so sure they work, although they  help, they burn to use at first, and it’s miserable when I don’t use them. I might have to get reactine for a while until I can solve this, but that’s a very expensive solution to a problem, I think it’s like 12$ a box of 12. Pounce eats up any spare spending money I have and I rather spend it on him than on medication for my allergies. And at any rate, if Pounce passes away, it will lighten my budget a little, but I will still have Cleo for a while yet, she’s old but she’s not that old, and Cleo seems to be the cat that has given me the most grief for my allergies. (She’s lying beside me now, I’m not reacting yet, maybe it’s prolonged exposure or something…) And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes, dad seems to be teh same way, if he uses his hand to push Cleo away then puts his hands in his face, he has the same awful reaction to her. Well I just thought I’d ask, I’m sure there are very allergic cat lovers here who have possible solutions. Unfortunately this type of allergy is unbearable, I can cope with a runny nose (which happens all the time anyways from other allergies) but I cannot take itchy, swollen, red eyes. Thanks, Rachel — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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If you are allergic to cats, the last room they should be in is your bedroom.  Keep them out !  Since you spend many (consecutive) hours in a bedroom, it is best if this room is your one allergy-free sanctuary in the house. You should also encapsulate your mattress and pillow cases in the special plastic covers made for them. This is good for dust mites and airborne cat allergen. Do you have carpet or hardwood floors?  Hardwood floors are much better for allergies, especially in the bedroom. If your cats will tolerate it, it’s good to bathe them once a week…it removes some of the Fel d 1 from their coats.  An article I read from a vet also said that wiping them down with a damp cloth made from 1 part fabric softener and at least 4 parts water is good (let them dry naturally).  Try using a fabric softener with less fragrance…fragrance is not bad for a cat…but may annoy some of them.  If your house is very dry, a humidifier is good. Unfortunately, cats get more allergenic as they get older because their skin gets dry and therefore secretes more (allergen laden) sebum.  Sometimes certain premium foods can help with their skin. Good luck !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *maybe* (hopefully) your cats have been exposed to something else you are allergic to?  I know that people can develop allergies, but they usually "build up".  Have they eaten anything different or do they go outside? Have you checked with your doctor?  Allergy tests can be a right pain in the butt, however you might be able to just be tested for a cat allergy and at least then you’d know one way or the other.  Good luck!!!! I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests). The cats never go out, it’s way too cold for kitties out here… I hope neighbourhood cow cat hasn’t been around because she is indoors staying warm and has not died from the cold (yes it’s been that bad). I have many allergies, dust for one, but I have never been affected in the eyes from dust, only from cat hair and dander. If my cats sleep on my pillow while I"m home (pounce doesn’t leave much fur so you can’t tell he’s been there on a dark patterned pillow) and I lie down, my eyes swell up, I just change the pillowcase and I know he’s been there. I thought maybe the way the cats have been shedding and stuff, and coming close my allergy has gotten worse because I never reacted to them just ‘being around’ before. I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week). — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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Actually, it will be a thrillingly exciting present…. it made a huge difference with my allergies.  That meant the cats are able to sleep with us, and since i love the way they "heat" the foot of the bed…   lol B&C

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually I need a hepa filter, thanks for reminding me. I just haven’t checked into getting one yet… I might ask for one for Xmas. Not a thrillingly exciting present to get, but it might help alot. We have 4 cats here… and I am allergic to cats!  However, I find that after I play with them or touch them I wash my hands and face right away. This seems to help alot.  We also purchased a hepa air filter that we keep in the bedroom for the most part as at least 3 of the cats sleep with us. We also tried some stuff from Outright that you apply to the cats.  We got it on line.  All these precautions seem to be helping me … B&C I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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And maybe as well, it’s because I touched the cat then touched my eyes,

I’ll bet money that this is why your eyes are swollen and itchy. I have made the mistake a few times of petting my cats and then itching my eyes, and the result is that my eyes have swollen nearly shut. It usually takes a few days for the swelling to go down.If you feel a need to touch your eyes, and have been petting your cats, wash your hands first, and I doubt you’ll have this problem again. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Zuzu’s cat album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574&Auth=false

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Oh! This is too bad, Rachel.  Someone posted about a product called Allerpet.  I am not familiar with it as I don’t have allergies, but I think that is right – I only glanced at the post, sorry.   Good luck.  I am sure you will find a way to deal with this.  But until then…… Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I’ve just developd a recent sudden severe allergy to both my cats, I have had sore swollen eyes for 2 days now, only at home, and only when the cats are hanging around. I’ve used allergy eye drops but they don’t seem to help much. I think I"m going to go for the reactine. Has anyone developed an allergy like this, suddenly or otherwise, and how did they treat it? Giving up cats for this if it continues is not an option, Pounce will not be placeable in a home, and Cleo is also too old to be desired, so my only options is to attempt to combat this allergy, and not replace the cats if it continues on this level (when the cats pass away of old age), I expect Cleo will live a few more years atleast in her current state of health so I prefer to combat this allergy long term. Thanks. — zz        |    _,,,—,,_               Home to Pounce & Cleo  zzz     /,`.-’`’    -.  ;-;;,_          And many furry friends    ZZZ  |,4-  ) )-,_..; (  `’-’         in spirit :)        ’—”(_/–’  `-’_)    fL

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I’ve had allergy tests before, tey aren’t nice, but I don’t mind. When you have had to have the worst tests done, you start to think allergy tests and whatnot are no big deal, I prefer allergy tests to drawing several little tubes of blood (gotta love those CBCs and creatine tests).

If ya really want a fun test, get a cervical biopsy!  Ow ow ouch!  Or cervical needles (’scuse me while I chuck over the very memory). I’m afraid I’m at a loss now over your allergy problem.  Best wishes, my dear, you belong with cats.  :-(  Take care. — Peace freedom & justice Deanna

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I have a definite cat allergy, my allergist told me a few years ago to give up the cats if I could find a home, but because I wasn’t bothered by them enough, I didn’t even look into that option. Plus getting rid of cats doesn’t solve my severe allergy problems, my biggest problem is dust, I clean up more with cats around and if they weren’t around, I might not be as likely to clean the dust off all the surfaces in my house. (Ditto with vacuuming several times a week).

I’ve got a wide range of allergies. Some of them are readily avoidable (feathers, which is a weird one, as I’ve never really been exposed to them), to mold (less avoidable, but moving from Massachusetts to Minnesota this summer made this fall – usually my worst time – much easier, due to the earlier frost and less lingering dampness) and dust. And cats and dogs and horses. (Dogs more than horses, horses more than cats…) I’ve also got allergy induced asthma. Most of the time, my allergies are pretty readily under control. My lungs have problems if I do something really stupid, or unless the environmental allergens get out of hand. If you’ve already got an allergist, you’ve probably heard most of these recommendations before, but the major thing that helps me is having an air filter in my bedroom. The one I have was under $100, does a 12×12 foot room, I hink, and needs minimal maintainance (changing the carbon filter every 3 months, and the HEPA filter every year or so.) Mine’s reasonably quiet, even running on high, though it’s taken my SO (who’s long distance) a day or two to get used to it when he visits. It’s good white noise, anyway. It’s quieter than the air conditioner, and about the same level as a high-end fan. It helps a lot with both dust *and* cat hair. One of the ways I remembered to change the filter was that my bedroom started gaining a light layer of dust, and it hadn’t for 3 months and more. If you get one, you want one with HEPA filtering, and it should tell you some stuff about how many allergens it blocks and down to what size. Climate control can also help a lot with dustmites (the real cause for most dust allergies) – I keep my apartment cool and dry, which they dislike. (By cool, I mean a hint above ‘too cool to be naked comfortably in for long but cool enough that bare feet are an edge cool sometimes’ – I don’t have a thermostat with a number in here, but I’d guess it’s around 63-65. Below 65 starts getting you dust mite benefits, I believe.) Washing bedding in very hot water regularly (every week or two weeks) can also *really* help. I don’t do this, because I’m in an apartment, and the work load to get them washed and brought back and put on isn’t a great use of time for me right now (as the allergies aren’t that bad) but it’s an excellent way to control allergens, if you have the filter to pick up the ones tossed into the air when you change the sheets. My cat is shorthaired (generic tabby, though I think she’s got some siamese in her based on shape, voice, and attitudes), and she doesn’t sleep on the pillows I use (she sometimes sleeps on a large square one also on the bed) or near the head of the bed all that often (she prefers the feet or elsewhere in the apartment) I take allergy medicine (Claritin) every so often (about every week, now), most often when I know I’m going to be at the house of friends who have cats (and who may not have households designed to head off dustmites or have more cats, so the allergen levels are higher). Talking to your doctor will probably get you the "You should get rid of the cats" lecture (my doctor gives it to me fairly regularly, but I find my lung function is about where it was pre-cat, and my stress levels are *far* better.) You might talk about the fact that your symptoms have changed, talk about reasonable fixes (like an air filter, washing sheets more often, controlling how the cats lie on your bed, trying things like Allerpet, etc). The other thing to be *really* careful of is the chance of developing allergy induced asthma. No one’s quite sure what triggers it, but asthma *is* a deadly disease. If you discover you have problems breathing, you should take strong action (going to your doctor or the emergency room as needed, depending how bad it is.) My asthma’s more of the ’slow build’ version, where I’ll build up to having real problems, so  Ihave a few days to do somethign to take care of it, but most asthma medications have icky side effects in one way or another, they mess with your body and how it works in some very subtle ways, and they’re not much fun if you can avoid them by other measures. However, many people have much more rapid onset asthma, and it can be very easy to say "I’ll be fine in 5 minutes – only then you aren’t. I hope some of this helps – so far (4 months) I’ve been very happy with my cat, and my allergies have been fine, but it’s something I keep a careful eye on. -Gwynyth

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Asthma symptoms reduced

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I’ve heard of others who have had relief as well.  I used to work with a woman who had asthma just when I began low-carbing.  I mentioned the information that I had read but she would have none of it.  I even pointed out to her that every morning she was asthma free until she ate her morning bowl of cheerios (milk and wheat being I feel two of the biggest suspects) but she would have none of it.  It’s so frustrating to know that there are some people out there that could significantly benefit but don’t have the information! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.

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Brian, I started using Evening Primrose oil around the same time I started the Atkins diet for a health issue not related to weight loss. That, plus the minerals used to supplement the diet, might be what’s caused the improvement. I’ve read that magnesium has improved asthma for some. Or it all might just be a stroke of dumb luck. At least if I start wheezing again someday it’ll be as a skinny wheezer.

Maura, How are you reacting the the evening primrose oil?  I tried it for about  week years ago when I was first DX’ed with MS and felt like I was standing in a high voltage feild… very uncomfortable!   I’m curious as to what others have noticed when using it… — Maguire’s Universal Signature: For use in newsgroups and other online situations… If part of this is applicable to you, you’ll recognize it. Or maybe not. AIM and MSN ID’s:  Maguire708 ICQ #: 54035938 IWG #: 708             RenGeek NSCCM: 91           Antioch: 95 ERMS Dx: 92         a11a87 Stone "troop leader" to YFWC 208/193 CAD        1/10/00 DANDR196/195/130 The trouble with life is, you’re halfway through it before you realize it’s a do-it-yourself thing

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Maguire, It does wonders for PMS.  No voltage field effects at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian, I started using Evening Primrose oil around the same time I started the Atkins diet for a health issue not related to weight loss. That, plus the minerals used to supplement the diet, might be what’s caused the improvement. I’ve read that magnesium has improved asthma for some. Or it all might just be a stroke of dumb luck. At least if I start wheezing again someday it’ll be as a skinny wheezer. Maura, How are you reacting the the evening primrose oil?  I tried it for about  week years ago when I was first DX’ed with MS and felt like I was standing in a high voltage feild… very uncomfortable!   I’m curious as to what others have noticed when using it… — Maguire’s Universal Signature: For use in newsgroups and other online situations… If part of this is applicable to you, you’ll recognize it. Or maybe not. AIM and MSN ID’s:  Maguire708 ICQ #: 54035938 IWG #: 708             RenGeek NSCCM: 91           Antioch: 95 ERMS Dx: 92         a11a87 Stone "troop leader" to YFWC 208/193 CAD        1/10/00 DANDR196/195/130 The trouble with life is, you’re halfway through it before you realize it’s a do-it-yourself thing

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Maguire, It does wonders for PMS.  No voltage field effects at all.

Good for you Maura!  I’d heard that from a friend on another NG, but since I started LC I’ve had 0 PMS anyhow :)  I’m glad nobody else seems to have the reaction I did… it was terrible! — Maguire’s Universal Signature: For use in newsgroups and other online situations… If part of this is applicable to you, you’ll recognize it. Or maybe not. AIM and MSN ID’s:  Maguire708 ICQ #: 54035938 IWG #: 708             RenGeek NSCCM: 91           Antioch: 95 ERMS Dx: 92         a11a87 Stone "troop leader" to YFWC 208/193 CAD        1/10/00 DANDR196/195/130 The trouble with life is, you’re halfway through it before you realize it’s a do-it-yourself thing

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sometimes I wonder if its not a case of not enough information .. but refusal to stop bad habits.  Certainly, she knew it was causing her asthma (or had her suspicions) but.. She didnt want to stop eating what was causing it.. My migraines are caused by to much sugar, like chocolate.  But it wasnt enough to stop me before from eating chocolate.  I had to choose to stop.. (finally) :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve heard of others who have had relief as well.  I used to work with a woman who had asthma just when I began low-carbing.  I mentioned the information that I had read but she would have none of it.  I even pointed out to her that every morning she was asthma free until she ate her morning bowl of cheerios (milk and wheat being I feel two of the biggest suspects) but she would have none of it.  It’s so frustrating to know that there are some people out there that could significantly benefit but don’t have the information! I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.

– 176/150/125 Atkins since June 13, 1999 (boring old web page at) Visit me http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/3939

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I had allergy induced asthma for the past 5 years or so, and have had no asthma, or allergy symptoms this fall.. Are you taking an EFA (oil) supplement from Atkins?  I am supplementing EFAs & minerals. (As well as low-carb, obviously) Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.  I also wondered if the supplements recommended by Atkins might have played a role. Has anyone else with respiratory problems experienced this?  It’s pretty amazing – I thought I’d need asthma medication the rest of my life. I love this diet.

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Brian, I started using Evening Primrose oil around the same time I started the Atkins diet for a health issue not related to weight loss. That, plus the minerals used to supplement the diet, might be what’s caused the improvement. I’ve read that magnesium has improved asthma for some. Or it all might just be a stroke of dumb luck. At least if I start wheezing again someday it’ll be as a skinny wheezer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had allergy induced asthma for the past 5 years or so, and have had no asthma, or allergy symptoms this fall.. Are you taking an EFA (oil) supplement from Atkins?  I am supplementing EFAs & minerals. (As well as low-carb, obviously) Brian I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.  I also wondered if the supplements recommended by Atkins might have played a role. Has anyone else with respiratory problems experienced this?  It’s pretty amazing – I thought I’d need asthma medication the rest of my life. I love this diet.

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I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.  I also wondered if the supplements recommended by Atkins might have played a role. Has anyone else with respiratory problems experienced this?  It’s pretty amazing – I thought I’d need asthma medication the rest of my life. I love this diet.

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Maura,     My son is an asthmatic, and since i’ve been on this diet (June13), hes been on a modified version.  I.e., he has to eat what I fix him, but his snacks are semi regulated.  His asthma has increased.  In fact he had an attack last night, only becaue he was spending the night at a friends house and they smoke in the house.  (we didnt know before hand.., but they evidently smoked inside not out like they told us.)So his health has improved, and hes not appearing as chunky as he was getting, not loosing weight, but gaining muscle.  :) I’ve been on the Atkins diet since June 1999, and have lost 15 lbs. About 2 months ago I noticed a marked decrease in asthma symptoms, to the point where I’ve gone from medication twice a day, to no medication for the last two months. The disease isn’t totally gone, but it’s about 85% less bothersome.  I was reading an alternative health book this week, and found a section on asthma that said low carb, high protein, sugar free diets are the way to go.  I also wondered if the supplements recommended by Atkins might have played a role. Has anyone else with respiratory problems experienced this?  It’s pretty amazing – I thought I’d need asthma medication the rest of my life. I love this diet.

– 176/150/125 Atkins since June 13, 1999 (boring old web page at) Visit me http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Capsule/3939

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Doctors and Scientists are liars

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Do you know anyone who has gone on a low carb diet with good results? Sounds to me like there are some of you in this NG. Personally I lost 25kg (55 pounds) in about 6 months on a low fat, high carb diet. I know other people who have done this too. This does not make sence to me. One group of Scientists and Doctors say that low fat / high carb is the only way to lost weight, and that low carb is… fad, stupid, dangerous etc. Yet here is a whole group of people who have shown excellent results. What gives. Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat. I have an inherited disorder that means if I eat a lot of fat I get gastric reflux. eg. one fatty meal gives me nausea and reflux for about 3 days. Secondly my low fat / high carb diet does not affect my enery levels at all. Exercise is the only thing that effects my energy level. The more I exercise, the more energy I have. Stop exercising and my energy levels plummet. I feel tired all the time – and have no energy. It doesn’t matter what I eat, nothing helps. About 40 mins of light exercise in the morning however gives me an energy high that lasts all day! My weight is stable and (as long as I exercise) I have all the energy I need. My point is that low carb does not apply to everyone, and neither does low fat. Who has tried what? What I want to know is and approximation of protein, carb, fat ratio, and at the same time how much exercise did you do. How much energy did you eat every day. No single author has convinced me that they have got it right. My theory is that there are many different body type/metabolism combinations out there, and the key to losing weight is: 1. eat a protein, carb, fat ratio that will make your body lose fat 2. exercise 3. eat the number of meals per day that will make your body speed up its metabolism 4. eat less than the amount of food that your body needs, but enough to keep your metabolism up. No one seems to be able to measure a person and then say – this is the protein, carb, fat ratio you need. All the Scientists and Doctors I have come accross have a universal ratio that they apply to all people. We are not all the same, so stop treating us as if we are. Anyway, sorry for going on for so long, but I have seen fat destroy peoples lives. After losing 1/4 of my body weight I feel like a new person. To everyone out there who is trying to get rid of fat – if you are doing something and it isn’t working, try something else. Give each thing you try enough time to see if it works. Don’t listen to anyone who says blah blah blah won’t work. I broke all the rules and feel great. Keep up the fight Greg Davey "trust your instincts – not your doctor" Before you buy.

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Do you know anyone who has gone on a low carb diet with good results? Sounds to me like there are some of you in this NG.

Yes me, lost about 20-25 pounds and have kept it off for about a year. Personally I lost 25kg (55 pounds) in about 6 months on a low fat, high carb diet. I know other people who have done this too.

I did in the past as well, only had to lose about 10 pounds at that time though, and was in serious training for the Kilington Triathalon at the time. This does not make sence to me. One group of Scientists and Doctors say that low fat / high carb is the only way to lost weight, and that low carb is… fad, stupid, dangerous etc. Yet here is a whole group of people who have shown excellent results. What gives.

I belive that you can a) lose weight and b) be healthy on both plans. My belief is that the real danger is the typical diet that includes lot of both (carbs AND fats). Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat. I have an inherited disorder that means if I eat a lot of fat I get gastric reflux. eg. one fatty meal gives me nausea and reflux for about 3 days. Secondly my low fat / high carb diet does not affect my enery levels at all. Exercise is the only thing that effects my energy level. The more I exercise, the more energy I have. Stop exercising and my energy levels plummet. I feel tired all the time – and have no energy. It doesn’t matter what I eat, nothing helps. About 40 mins of light exercise in the morning however gives me an energy high that lasts all day!

Have you ever tried eating fat without including lots of refined carbs. I used to be the same way, got an upset stomach when I ate a lot of fat.  Turns out that eliminating the junk carbs from the equation eliminated the problem. My weight is stable and (as long as I exercise) I have all the energy I need.

So is mine and so do I. My point is that low carb does not apply to everyone, and neither does low fat. Who has tried what?

Like I said, I have tried both and have been succesfull on both, but to me this is a much better way to live, I am much happier eating natural unprocessed foods than processed fat free stuff that leaves me craving an hour later.  Plus, I don’t know if I could have had good success losing weight doing lo fat if I wasn’t in serious training at the time. What I want to know is and approximation of protein, carb, fat ratio, and at the same time how much exercise did you do. How much energy did you eat every day. No single author has convinced me that they have got it right.

I  cant give you a breakdown, I don’t analize my diet to that extent.  I can tell you that I eat about 60 grams or so carbs per day, have a post workout carb-up 3X per week and have a big ‘cheat’ probably every other week.  Works for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My theory is that there are many different body type/metabolism combinations out there, and the key to losing weight is: 1. eat a protein, carb, fat ratio that will make your body lose fat 2. exercise 3. eat the number of meals per day that will make your body speed up its metabolism 4. eat less than the amount of food that your body needs, but enough to keep your metabolism up. No one seems to be able to measure a person and then say – this is the protein, carb, fat ratio you need. All the Scientists and Doctors I have come accross have a universal ratio that they apply to all people. We are not all the same, so stop treating us as if we are. Anyway, sorry for going on for so long, but I have seen fat destroy peoples lives. After losing 1/4 of my body weight I feel like a new person. To everyone out there who is trying to get rid of fat – if you are doing something and it isn’t working, try something else. Give each thing you try enough time to see if it works. Don’t listen to anyone who says blah blah blah won’t work. I broke all the rules and feel great.

Basically agree with your theory.  Thanks for the post. Mike K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep up the fight Greg Davey "trust your instincts – not your doctor" Before you buy.

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dear greg, congrats to you on your chosen way (low fat) to lose weight! i am glad that it worked for you! most of us in here were disappointed with the LF WOE ! here are some links for you with alot of answers! ALT.SUPPORT.DIET.LOW-CARB         HELPFUL LINKS http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart5a.htm   MIKE’S COUNTER http://www.wrappers.com/fatfree.html  TORTILLAS http://www.titanic.kn-bremen.de/induction.html <—-INDUCTION http://www.angelfire.com./ca2/LowcarbingDream/index.html http://www.locarbliving.com/kit.html   NEWBIES SURVIVAL KIT http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb http://www.locarbliving.com/kit.html http://wilstar.com/lowcarb/ http://www.lowcarbnexus.com http://home.talkcity.com/TechnologyWay/wallyb/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/lcfaq/index.html http://www.rahul.net/fatfree/usda/all.shtml http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl   <—FOOD COUNTS http://www.ncenter.com/carbcharts/ http://www.nutri-facts.com/search.asp http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/lcfaq/index.html                LC+exercise http://www.atkinsdiethelp.com/ http://www.ourlittlecorner.com/index.htp http://www.escribe.com/health/atkins/ http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart5a.htm   CARB/FAT CHART http://hometown.aol.com/drjavaago/index.html http://www.caprok.net/dgservices/food.htm http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1617/carbohydrate_chart.html http://charm.cs.uiuc.edu/~jyelon/lowcarb.med/   RESEARCH http://www.ncenter.com/carbcharts/carbohydrate_chart.shtml http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/lcfaq/index.html   LOW CARB/EXERCISE http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/pictures.html    LYNNE’S CHOCOLATE http://wilstar.com/lowcarb/hiddencarbs.htm   HIDDEN CARBS http://www.atkinscenter.com/faq/search.asp?type=keyword    OFFICIAL SITE/ATKINS http://www.panix.com/~candida/  CANDIDA http://charm.cs.uiuc.edu/~jyelon/lowcarb.med/   RESEARCH http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm  GLYCEMIC INDEX http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/cookbookdownload.html    ASD_LC  COOKBOOK http://members.aol.com/chghanbari/shake/index.htm   PROTEIN SHAKE http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/8853/board.htm http://hometown.aol.com/drjavaago/index.html http://www.split.com/fat/plateau.htm   PLATEAU BUSTER CKD-TKD http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/lcfaq/index.html http://www.shoplowcarb.com/books.htm http://www.davincigourmet.com/Products/Sugar_Free_Syrups.htm http://www.lowcarbnexus.com/ http://www.thinner.com/ http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/  VEGETARIAN LC www.aspenicecream.com http://www.enteract.com/~jldavid/lowcarb/pyramid.html   THE LOW CARB PYRAMID http://www.cyberdiet.com/ni/htdocs/index.html http://www.devtex.net/graham/lc.html http://www.classicx.com/html/2super.html   THE WATER QUESTION — read and post everyday, its a commitment! rosie of others heavier                              bill w. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you know anyone who has gone on a low carb diet with good results? Sounds to me like there are some of you in this NG. Personally I lost 25kg (55 pounds) in about 6 months on a low fat, high carb diet. I know other people who have done this too. This does not make sence to me. One group of Scientists and Doctors say that low fat / high carb is the only way to lost weight, and that low carb is… fad, stupid, dangerous etc. Yet here is a whole group of people who have shown excellent results. What gives. Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat. I have an inherited disorder that means if I eat a lot of fat I get gastric reflux. eg. one fatty meal gives me nausea and reflux for about 3 days. Secondly my low fat / high carb diet does not affect my enery levels at all. Exercise is the only thing that effects my energy level. The more I exercise, the more energy I have. Stop exercising and my energy levels plummet. I feel tired all the time – and have no energy. It doesn’t matter what I eat, nothing helps. About 40 mins of light exercise in the morning however gives me an energy high that lasts all day! My weight is stable and (as long as I exercise) I have all the energy I need. My point is that low carb does not apply to everyone, and neither does low fat. Who has tried what? What I want to know is and approximation of protein, carb, fat ratio, and at the same time how much exercise did you do. How much energy did you eat every day. No single author has convinced me that they have got it right. My theory is that there are many different body type/metabolism combinations out there, and the key to losing weight is: 1. eat a protein, carb, fat ratio that will make your body lose fat 2. exercise 3. eat the number of meals per day that will make your body speed up its metabolism 4. eat less than the amount of food that your body needs, but enough to keep your metabolism up. No one seems to be able to measure a person and then say – this is the protein, carb, fat ratio you need. All the Scientists and Doctors I have come accross have a universal ratio that they apply to all people. We are not all the same, so stop treating us as if we are. Anyway, sorry for going on for so long, but I have seen fat destroy peoples lives. After losing 1/4 of my body weight I feel like a new person. To everyone out there who is trying to get rid of fat – if you are doing something and it isn’t working, try something else. Give each thing you try enough time to see if it works. Don’t listen to anyone who says blah blah blah won’t work. I broke all the rules and feel great. Keep up the fight Greg Davey "trust your instincts – not your doctor" Before you buy.

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Before the Atkins diet, I lived on tums . No belly aches now for over two years. p.s. my Wife doesn’t use her ventolin inhaler now for over two years! Michael P. Miller Sr.

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<snip I belive that you can a) lose weight and b) be healthy on both plans. My belief is that the real danger is the typical diet that includes lot of both (carbs AND fats).

Amen, plus all the chemical-laden junk food that forms so large a part of the modern diet. Among the things I’ve read about diet, which I ironically found on a low-carb site, was a reference to a group of people called the Kitava, who live in New Guinea.  Their staple diet is a potato-like tuber.  Yet they are quite thin and healthy.  Could it be hard physical labor and the absolute lack of junk food? Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat. I have an inherited disorder that means if I eat a lot of fat I get gastric

You should never do anything that doesn’t "feel right." For example, I am a sugar-holic.  Love the stuff.  But you know what?  After I eat a lot of it, I feel like s***. OTOH, on an extreme low-carb regimen, I also feel like s***.    I absolutely must eat some fruit.  I don’t feel sane w/o it. Upshot:  you must do what feels right for you. However, I just don’t believe that anyone really feels right eating tons of junk.  I believe that this is a learned habit, taught to us by Corporate America for the profit motive. My point is that low carb does not apply to everyone, and neither does low fat. Who has tried what?

I’ve tried both and failed miserably at low-fat.  I’ve had middling success with low-carb.  Only problem is I crave carbs, so I fit them in, moderately. When I do that I have to make sure to exercise and watch portions.  When I do a radical low-carb regimen, the weight just drops off, but I feel lousy. There’s no point in feeling lousy–even if you lose weight. The point is well-being. <snip I  cant give you a breakdown, I don’t analize my diet to that extent.  I can tell you that I eat about 60 grams or so carbs per day, have a post workout carb-up

Do you think that it’s best to eat carbs before or after working out, or does it matter? Basically agree with your theory.  Thanks for the post. Mike K.

I’ve snipped a lot because I agree with what both of you guys are saying. There is no magic bullet!! Except maybe moving to a third world country and getting a manual labor job. "trust your instincts – not your doctor"

This I really agree with.  Trust your instincts, and not a diet book.  I need fruit!! Ezer

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Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat. I have an inherited disorder that means if I eat a lot of fat I get gastric reflux. eg. one fatty meal gives me nausea and reflux for about 3 days.

Low Carb did the same thing for me.  Seems I have an intolerance for wheat products.  I can eat some, but too much (especially refined wheat) and I get reflux again.  I can eat a giant steak for dinner with green beans and butter with no problem though! My theory is that there are many different body type/metabolism

combinations out there, and the key to losing weight is: 1. eat a protein, carb, fat ratio that will make your body lose fat 2. exercise 3. eat the number of meals per day that will make your body speed up its metabolism 4. eat less than the amount of food that your body needs, but enough to keep your metabolism up.<< I agree.  Every person is different and any program will not work for every person.  Even among Low Carb, there are many variations.  We each have to find the plan that works and that we can live with for the long haul. Tammy in Vermont 212/171/150 PP since 7/98

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Not only haven’t I had to use my ventolin inhaler for allergy-induced asthma since going low-carb, but I had absolutely NO allergies this fall… I’m usually on prescription anti-histamines for about 2 months & usually get at least one "steroid" shot. Brian 265/203/181 Peskin since 6-29-99 says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Atkins diet, I lived on tums . No belly aches now for over two years. p.s. my Wife doesn’t use her ventolin inhaler now for over two years! Michael P. Miller Sr. Oooh, good one! Has any of our astute Doctors or Scientists bothered to study the massive increase in Asthma in our society, with the corresponding massive increase in refined sugars in our diets? Seems to me that there could be something in that. Greg Before you buy.

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Do you know anyone who has gone on a low carb diet with good results?

A lot of people, including me, have had good results. My best results were in the lowering of my cholesterol and improving my health (significant reduction in migraine occupance, and general illnesses like colds and flu). Personally I lost 25kg (55 pounds) in about 6 months on a low fat, high carb diet. I know other people who have done this too.

Congratulations. This just shows that there is no one diet for everyone. Personally I have 2 problems with the low carb diet. The first is that I can’t eat a lot of fat.

Not a problem. Low carb does not equate to high fat. That is one of the myths about LC diets. I have continued to eat leaner cuts of meat, and trim as much fat off as I can. Secondly my low fat / high carb diet does not affect my enery levels at all. Exercise is the only thing that effects my energy level. The more I exercise, the more energy I have.

I found that going LC has improved my energy levels. I used to suffer a serious desire to fall asleep at my keyboard shortly after lunch. That went away shortly after starting the Atkins diet, and has not returned. But, as the saying goes, your mileage may vary. My weight is stable and (as long as I exercise) I have all the energy I need.

Than I see no reason for you to change. My theory is that there are many different body type/metabolism combinations out there,

I agree with you completely. Larry Widing 185/160/155 6/98 Atkins

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Among the things I’ve read about diet, which I ironically found on a low-carb site, was a reference to a group of people called the Kitava, who live in New Guinea.  Their staple diet is a potato-like tuber.  Yet they are quite thin and healthy.  Could it be hard physical labor and the absolute lack of junk food?

There are New Guinea natives who traditionally practice cannibalism (common to devour dead relatives to preserve/continue their souls).

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Among the things I’ve read about diet, which I ironically found on a low-carb site, was a reference to a group of people called the Kitava, who live in New Guinea.  Their staple diet is a potato-like tuber.  Yet they are quite thin and healthy.  Could it be hard physical labor and the absolute lack of junk food? There are New Guinea natives who traditionally practice cannibalism (common to devour dead relatives to preserve/continue their souls).

The Kitava had been headhunters, but not at the time they were studied. Ezer

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The Kitava had been headhunters, but not at the time they were studied.

Well, duh, they wouldn’t want any WITNESSES, would they?    [-:

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Before the Atkins diet, I lived on tums . No belly aches now for over two years. p.s. my Wife doesn’t use her ventolin inhaler now for over two years! Michael P. Miller Sr.

Oooh, good one! Has any of our astute Doctors or Scientists bothered to study the massive increase in Asthma in our society, with the corresponding massive increase in refined sugars in our diets? Seems to me that there could be something in that. Greg Before you buy.

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Is this typical?

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Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there?

This has happened to me, too. For about ten years now, my skin has been in a hypersensitive state, flaring up at the drop of a hat. Stepping outside the house sets it off. Any sunlight at all sets it off. Sunscreen sets it off. Tipp-Ex sets it off. Photocopying sets it off. Most skincare products set it off. Not cleansing & moisturising sets it off. Etc ad nauseam. Trying to keep it comfortable was a running battle which I seldom won. Now, low carbing, it’s absolutely fine – cool, comfortable, and back to the lovely complexion I used to have. I just think that I am no longer in that hypersensitive state. I am no longer aggravating my body with alien food. My overall health has improved in many ways that I wouldn’t have connected with low carbing. I think that, for those of us who are insulin resistant, low carbing is the way to go for health, not just for losing weight. Reading other people’s comments about allergies – yes, that is undoubtedly true. The foods I was eating, that I have discovered allergies to, I have now cut out. But my overall hypersensitivity has decreased – eg, going outside in the sunlight doesn’t make me go purple any more (and I’m not talking about sunbathing, I’m talking about walking the 20 yards to the postbox). — Rosiebint, Bitch-Trollop from Hell 262/230/182 Atkins since 10th June 1999 32 pounds lost so far

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Well for me I have stopped using my heartburn medication.  This is a huge bonus! j – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – dear lady eve, there have been several folks who LC that say they are using less and less of their asthma medications! — read and post and share! rosie Which life should one lead? The life one likes!! I for one… usually I’m OK during the summer until about a week before August 19th, then by the 19th my allergies are bad enough I go on antihistamines until first frost… Always needed my inhaler for allergy-induced asthma after mowing… just mowed today (well yesterday now) and for the 2nd time I haven’t even sneezed, let alone needed the asthama inhaler…  and it’s after then 19th of August… No itchy eyes, runny nose *at all* so far since starting low-carb! Brian 265/227/181 Peskin since 6-29-99

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For those who have allergies, yes, this is one of the really nice effects of eating this way. (One big reason why it’s a WOL and not just a diet.) I’ve sniffled and sneezed all my life. An average day was 3-4 Kleenex. Finally I got Vancenase, and swore by it– that is, until I started this WOE. Now I can breathe all day. (And, of course, I don’t need the Vancenase. I took one hit on a really heavy pollen day in June, but that was it.) I can nuzzle my cat without sneezing. Wonderful! Also, I have exercise-induced asthma. I have never been able to run. Recently, I had to transfer from one plane to another at LAX. The terminals were more than a mile apart (according to DH; terminals 84 to 64, something like that…). I had three heavy pieces of carry-on luggage (including water bottles LOL). The first plane was late. I race-walked the whole distance, passing everybody in sight. I never had to stop and catch my breath. When I got there, I was breathing heavily, of course. But despite breathing heavily, and despite LA pollution, I never wheezed once. This would have been IMPOSSIBLE on the l-f diet. DahliaLady

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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Could be a result of your not eating a certain food.  A friend of mine had severe attacks whenever he ate anything with yellow dye #3 which is in many foods, especially snack cakes. Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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The Eades speak of this diet balancing some of the intra-cell hormones that can cause allergies.  This might be the reason that you’re allergies are gone. Dean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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dear lady eve, there have been several folks who LC that say they are using less and less of their asthma medications! — read and post and share! rosie Which life should one lead? The life one likes!!

I for one… usually I’m OK during the summer until about a week before August 19th, then by the 19th my allergies are bad enough I go on antihistamines until first frost… Always needed my inhaler for allergy-induced asthma after mowing… just mowed today (well yesterday now) and for the 2nd time I haven’t even sneezed, let alone needed the asthama inhaler…  and it’s after then 19th of August… No itchy eyes, runny nose *at all* so far since starting low-carb! Brian 265/227/181 Peskin since 6-29-99

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dear lady eve, there have been several folks who LC that say they are using less and less of their asthma medications! — read and post and share! rosie Which life should one lead? The life one likes!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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writes: And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL?

Or something related to it, I think. Like maybe reducing the number of potential food sources of allergens. My son, who has severe nasal allergies, doesn’t even sniff any more. Doesn’t get a sinus or ear infection every other month any more. And we’ve been able to cut his ($80/refill) allergy meds in half, and are planning to try taking him off of them entirely after the "fall season." Oh, happy day! :-) Arlene   (Answers- $5.00; Dumb Looks Are Still Free<g) 276/239/160–(started Atkins 2/21/99) alt.support.diet.low-carb FAQ http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm Dr. Javaago’s Low-Carb Survival Guide ttp://members.aol.com/drjavaago/index.html

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No doubt…it’s food allergies.  Wheat is a very common food to be allergic to.  So is corn, which is in not only cereals and chips, but, corn syrup (more refined=more allergy reaction) is in everything–pancake syrup, some hot dogs, dessert products, soda, coffee creamers, potato chips are fried in corn oil, the list is staggering!  Also with allergies, it is not necesssarily how much of something you are exposed to, but that you are exposed at all that begins the reaction.  People don’t think of grains as being allergic foods, but wheat and corn, in particular are near the top of the list of foods we are allergic to. Melanie

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Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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This was a topic not long ago – not exactly typical, but not uncommon either.  I suspect some food allergies.  For myself, when I get down to weight, I’m going to be careful about what foods I add back to my diet and note the reactions, if any. ROn PS haven’t lost a pound in four weeks, but am wearing jeans I tried on and couldn’t wear three weeks ago. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi guys, I was just making up my shopping list and when I got to checking out the kleenex supply, I still had almost all of them that I bought at the beginning of last month. I go through anywhere from three to five boxes a month because of my allergies. As I sit here, I am not sneezing. I am not breathing through my mouth. I am not sniffling and I do not have a sinus headache.  I just realized, that it’s been over two weeks since I had to use my asthma inhaler or my decongestant. And every one of the three boxes of Kleenex I put out for myself at the beginning of the moth is still almost all full. Is this the WOL? If so, I just found another way I’m gonna save money. Do you know how expensive, decongestants and asthma inhalers are, not to mentin a few less kleenex.  There are a lot of hidden cost _savings_ on this WOL, aren’t there? lady Eve

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Should we move? Please help!

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Hello to all!  I just found this newsgroup.  We moved to the Austin, TX area 18 months ago and since have had numerous health problems. The most recent is a diagnosis of allergy induced asthma for both myself and my 2-year old daughter. We are using Albuterol inhalers. Her main symptoms are a cough and stuffy nose that followed a cold and WILL NOT go away; my main symptoms are tightness in my chest, difficulty breathing, stuffy nose, and eye irritation. I suspect our allergen is mold, which is a HUGE problem here because of the humidity. The only other place I’ve had problems is San Francisco (where I lived previously), another moldy place : ). I’ve also lived in Central and Southern California, San Jose, CA, and Phoenix, AZ with no problems. Has anyone else experienced this? I wonder if there is a connection between the higher humidity and our problems. My doctor seems to think so, but I want to find out if a move to a drier climate would help. I mean, if we have asthma and nothing will make it go away, then we’ll deal with it. But if it is allergy-induced and the allergy is mold…well, we might be able to get away from such high mold counts. I’m going for allergy testing next week to be sure. But I was just curious if anyone else has successfully moved and brought their asthma under control or rid themselves of it. Thanks for any responses! I hope everyone is having a good holiday weekend. Dawn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello to all!  I just found this newsgroup.  We moved to the Austin, TX area 18 months ago and since have had numerous health problems. The most recent is a diagnosis of allergy induced asthma for both myself and my 2-year old daughter. We are using Albuterol inhalers. Her main symptoms are a cough and stuffy nose that followed a cold and WILL NOT go away; my main symptoms are tightness in my chest, difficulty breathing, stuffy nose, and eye irritation. I suspect our allergen is mold, which is a HUGE problem here because of the humidity. The only other place I’ve had problems is San Francisco (where I lived previously), another moldy place : ). I’ve also lived in Central and Southern California, San Jose, CA, and Phoenix, AZ with no problems. Has anyone else experienced this? I wonder if there is a connection between the higher humidity and our problems. My doctor seems to think so, but I want to find out if a move to a drier climate would help. I mean, if we have asthma and nothing will make it go away, then we’ll deal with it. But if it is allergy-induced and the allergy is mold…well, we might be able to get away from such high mold counts. I’m going for allergy testing next week to be sure. But I was just curious if anyone else has successfully moved and brought their asthma under control or rid themselves of it.

I also live in a very humid and moldy climate, plus the vegetation around here is noted for causing allergies.  I feel MUCH better when elsewhere, especially in Arizona.  I prefer the northern part of the state (Phoenix is hotter than the hinges of Hell) where it’s cooler.  I also feel much better in most other places.  The part of the country where I live is called Sinus Valley by the residents.   I’m heading for Idaho in July for two weeks.  Most mountain climates are great for me, except I didn’t do very well in Reno. Sue Thanks for any responses! I hope everyone is having a good holiday weekend. Dawn

"If cats were human, they’d be hippies"                         Citizen Dog

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Air Filter Question

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Hi, I just got a HEPA air filter.  I wanted it for my bedroom and have heard that they can be very noisy.  I found one made by Honeywell.  It is called Quietcare model #17000, I believe.  I have had it for about 3 weeks now and it has made a world of difference and it is quiet.  It has 3 speeds too.  I got it from service merchandise.  Good luck.  Lisa R.

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So what,I can read. If this person wants to live with these cats, I suggest that they purchase only the best quality HEPA air cleaner and HEPA vacuum cleaner. I stated that in my opinion the Austin Air HEPA air cleaner and the Miele HEPA vacuum cleaner would be the best products to purchase because of their high quality. I will also add that the carpet or floor should be vacuumed each and every day, if they are to live with the cats. Allersearch ADS spray should also be applied to the carpet to reduce the cat allergen. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you would have read the first post, you would see that the person IS allergic to cats, it was the first allergen they listed. Just clarifying. :) Lissa Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week. My advice would be to get tested for cat allergy first.  Is you are not allergic to cats then they are not a problem. Just because you have asthma does not automatically mean that you are allergic to cats. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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Thanks to everyone who replied to my air filter question. I will check out the Austin Air HEPA and the Duracraft. I’m also looking into a HEPA vacuum cleaner, thanks to your replies. One last question – anyone familiar with "Prioirities?" They seem to have a good website and interesting products (they carry the Austin Air products), but I’ve never heard of them before. Thanks again, KC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what,I can read. If this person wants to live with these cats, I suggest that they purchase only the best quality HEPA air cleaner and HEPA vacuum cleaner. I stated that in my opinion the Austin Air HEPA air cleaner and the Miele HEPA vacuum cleaner would be the best products to purchase because of their high quality. I will also add that the carpet or floor should be vacuumed each and every day, if they are to live with the cats. Allersearch ADS spray should also be applied to the carpet to reduce the cat allergen. If you would have read the first post, you would see that the person IS allergic to cats, it was the first allergen they listed. Just clarifying. :) Lissa Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week. My advice would be to get tested for cat allergy first.  Is you are not allergic to cats then they are not a problem. Just because you have asthma does not automatically mean that you are allergic to cats. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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Karin & Steve Calde wrote I have allergy-induced asthma (cats, mold, dust, feathers), and I’m considering buying an air filter for my home. I realize that they don’t always help, but I’m desperate and think I may give it a try. Can anyone tell me of positive/negative experiences with particular brands?

Check into "Majestic Air," or Filter Queen. I filter away all dust, mold, animal dander, gases, fumes, smoke, etc., out of my home air in ten minutes, and I am gaining strenghth against my asthma and allergies by resting in my bubble. This brand has worked for me, and I haven’t had to use my inhaler for three months. "mo"

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: I have allergy-induced asthma (cats, mold, dust, feathers), and I’m : considering buying an air filter for my home. I realize that they don’t : always help, but I’m desperate and think I may give it a try. Can anyone : tell me of positive/negative experiences with particular brands? What cat, mold, dust and feather mitigation have you put into practice? Eg. do you still have carpet?  Is the humidity in your home kept under 50% ?  Do the cats* stay out of the bedroom?  Have you gotten rid of all the products which you own which have feathers and trained the cats not to catch birds?  You might do better to address some of these other issues.  The problem with air filtration is that it does not work very well at all if you have multiple sources (or diffuse sources of allergens), as the air filter can only filter a certain amount of air at any given time, and the rate of allergen generation can quite easily be faster than the rate of filtration.  Plus dust mites love bedding and it is rather uncomfortable to sleep curled up on a hard unyielding object like an air-filter. Cheers, Kin Hoong *I am assuming that giving away the cats is not an option.  If it is an option, then I would suggest you take that option.

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: Check into "Majestic Air," or Filter Queen. I filter away all dust, mold, : animal dander, gases, fumes, smoke, etc., out of my home air in ten minutes, Umm, how many kilowatts does that thing consume?  Ten minutes would suggest at least 5 kW for a 3m x 3m room (the amount of air movement must be quite incredible). Cheers, Kin Hoong

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Hi Karin & Steve , Feel free to see our website for more information on the Austin Air. Go to http://www.aircleaners.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to everyone who replied to my air filter question. I will check out the Austin Air HEPA and the Duracraft. I’m also looking into a HEPA vacuum cleaner, thanks to your replies. One last question – anyone familiar with "Prioirities?" They seem to have a good website and interesting products (they carry the Austin Air products), but I’ve never heard of them before. Thanks again, KC So what,I can read. If this person wants to live with these cats, I suggest that they purchase only the best quality HEPA air cleaner and HEPA vacuum cleaner. I stated that in my opinion the Austin Air HEPA air cleaner and the Miele HEPA vacuum cleaner would be the best products to purchase because of their high quality. I will also add that the carpet or floor should be vacuumed each and every day, if they are to live with the cats. Allersearch ADS spray should also be applied to the carpet to reduce the cat allergen. If you would have read the first post, you would see that the person IS allergic to cats, it was the first allergen they listed. Just clarifying. :) Lissa Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week. My advice would be to get tested for cat allergy first.  Is you are not allergic to cats then they are not a problem. Just because you have asthma does not automatically mean that you are allergic to cats. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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I have allergy-induced asthma (cats, mold, dust, feathers), and I’m considering buying an air filter for my home. I realize that they don’t always help, but I’m desperate and think I may give it a try. Can anyone tell me of positive/negative experiences with particular brands? KC

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Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week.  In the summer, use air conditioning.  Limit orders in your house such as fragrences from soaps, hair products, candles etc.  some of those things help keep the air in your home a bit cleaner. Also when you clean, wear a mask, and dust from the top of the house down, and vacumn last. Hope this helps. :) Lissa

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Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week.

My advice would be to get tested for cat allergy first.  Is you are not allergic to cats then they are not a problem. Just because you have asthma does not automatically mean that you are allergic to cats. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com     Hi Orphan, If you like your new Duracraft, you should see the great performance of the Austin Air Healthmate True HEPA air cleaner.  It has a huge amount of air exchanges per hour, very quiet, 15 lbs of coconut carbon-zeolite blend to remove odors and offgassing chemicals that come off of building products . The best part is there is no pre filters to replace. The filter cartridge is good for five years.All you do is to vacuum off the outside of the unit when it gets dusty. Austin Air also guarantees their units for five full years. Im glad that you are happy with your duracraft. Next time your in the market for another air cleaner you may want to try out the Austin Air. I know that you would love it. Ps if your looking for a great HEPA vacuum cleaner, I feel that the miele brand is now the best brand on the market. There are many models to choose from.Best of luck, Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My Holmes filter was a gyp. It has a tiny filter. My Duracraft is a powerful machine. The filter fills the circumference of the whole machine. The Duracraft only cost a little more than the Holmes. When I try to use the Holmes in my bedroom, I wake up coughing. But with the Duracraft, I can sleep pretty well; it must clean the air a lot better than the Holmes. The Duracraft has a high setting that sounds like a wind tunnel. On my real bad days I turn the Duracraft on high and it definately helps. I have allergy-induced asthma (cats, mold, dust, feathers), and I’m considering buying an air filter for my home. I realize that they don’t always help, but I’m desperate and think I may give it a try. Can anyone tell me of positive/negative experiences with particular brands? KC

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If you would have read the first post, you would see that the person IS allergic to cats, it was the first allergen they listed. Just clarifying. :) Lissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your doctor may be a good source for that question. I do know that whatever brand you chose, chose a hepa type filter air cleaner. It has also been suggested to me to use a powerful (12 watts at least) vacumn with a hepa filter.  IF you have cats, to get rid of them. NOt easy I know, or you could try bathing them once a week. My advice would be to get tested for cat allergy first.  Is you are not allergic to cats then they are not a problem. Just because you have asthma does not automatically mean that you are allergic to cats. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Einstein

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve always had allergy induced asthma, but about 4 years ago my husband I were remodling our dining room and took down our inside walls.  It’s an old house (horse hair stuffing between the slats).  Even though I was wearing a mask this put my asthma out of control and it’s still not controlled completely yet. Ove the last year or so I’ve noticed that my voice has gotten very gravely. It also sometimes disapears for 30 seconds or so while I’m talking and then it returns.  Talking for too long a time can also start me coughing. Does anyone else have this?  My doctor tells me that when (if?) we get teh asthma under control things will get better.  Is this true, or am I permanently going to be having this? I had the same thing happen when I was first diagnosed with my asthma. Mine did improve over time.  I do notice however that when I start to have a little trouble with my asthma that I get the "gravely" voice back for awhile till things clear up again.  I also notice (especially when accompanied by a cold) that my voice box will feel "strained" when i’ve been talking alot and of course my voice gets worse.  Hope things clear up for ya :)

<If you are using inhaled steroids be sure to gargle well after each use

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve always had allergy induced asthma, but about 4 years ago my husband I were remodling our dining room and took down our inside walls.  It’s an old house (horse hair stuffing between the slats).  Even though I was wearing a mask this put my asthma out of control and it’s still not controlled completely yet. Ove the last year or so I’ve noticed that my voice has gotten very gravely. It also sometimes disapears for 30 seconds or so while I’m talking and then it returns.  Talking for too long a time can also start me coughing. Does anyone else have this?  My doctor tells me that when (if?) we get teh asthma under control things will get better.  Is this true, or am I permanently going to be having this? I’ve been told it makes my voive very sexy, but to me it sounds like I’m a havy smoker and I’ve never smoked a day in my life. Patrice

It could be a side effect of steroid inhalers you are probably using for your asthma (Flonase, Pulmicort, Vanceril, Azmacort, Aerobid) [Check the Prescribing Information from the pharmacist or the PDR at your public library, for Adverse Reactions] With steroid MDIs, always use a spacer, like an AeroChamber, and rinse your mouth and throat out with water after inhaling. This will minimize side effects like hoarseness, by a factor of 2 or more. It would also be a good idea to have your doctor check it out; maybe get a referral to a throat specialist (otolarygologist). He can check to see what’s going on, whether simple inflammation, polyps or nodules, etc. Ellis

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I’ve always had allergy induced asthma, but about 4 years ago my husband I were remodling our dining room and took down our inside walls.  It’s an old house (horse hair stuffing between the slats).  Even though I was wearing a mask this put my asthma out of control and it’s still not controlled completely yet. Ove the last year or so I’ve noticed that my voice has gotten very gravely. It also sometimes disapears for 30 seconds or so while I’m talking and then it returns.  Talking for too long a time can also start me coughing. Does anyone else have this?  My doctor tells me that when (if?) we get teh asthma under control things will get better.  Is this true, or am I permanently going to be having this?

I had the same thing happen when I was first diagnosed with my asthma.  Mine did improve over time.  I do notice however that when I start to have a little trouble with my asthma that I get the "gravely" voice back for awhile till things clear up again.  I also notice (especially when accompanied by a cold) that my voice box will feel "strained" when i’ve been talking alot and of course my voice gets worse.  Hope things clear up for ya :)

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I’ve always had allergy induced asthma, but about 4 years ago my husband I were remodling our dining room and took down our inside walls.  It’s an old house (horse hair stuffing between the slats).  Even though I was wearing a mask this put my asthma out of control and it’s still not controlled completely yet. Ove the last year or so I’ve noticed that my voice has gotten very gravely. It also sometimes disapears for 30 seconds or so while I’m talking and then it returns.  Talking for too long a time can also start me coughing. Does anyone else have this?  My doctor tells me that when (if?) we get teh asthma under control things will get better.  Is this true, or am I permanently going to be having this? I’ve been told it makes my voive very sexy, but to me it sounds like I’m a havy smoker and I’ve never smoked a day in my life. Patrice

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Once Again — no flaming please

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That is true, Welbutrin and Zyban are two different brands of the same drug, bupropion. Many HMO’s do not carry Zyban but they do carry Welbutrin. The problem is that they will not cover the Welbutrin  for the purpose of smoking cessation. The doctor has to claim you are depressed. That is a diagnosis that most likely will never matter but there is a small chance that it could come back to haunt you. It also raises issues of fraud that will also almost certainly never come up. It is just a rather silly and uncomfortable position that they create with all the stupid rules. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the same boat trying to kick the habit.  The HMO won’t cover "Zyban" but did cover it’s chemical equivalent "Welbutrin".  It’s the same thing, just the marketing forces are on overtime for "Zyban".  Welbutrin has been used as an anti-depressant for years.  Doctors began noticing that patients on Welbutrin, had less cravings for nicotine – voila a marketing dream come true! Wish me luck.  My quit day is September 30. Mary-Ellen

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I’m in the same boat trying to kick the habit.  The HMO won’t cover "Zyban" but did cover it’s chemical equivalent "Welbutrin".  It’s the same thing, just the marketing forces are on overtime for "Zyban".  Welbutrin has been used as an anti-depressant for years.  Doctors began noticing that patients on Welbutrin, had less cravings for nicotine – voila a marketing dream come true! Wish me luck.  My quit day is September 30. Mary-Ellen

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My dad smoked for 50 years.  He used Zyban, and had his last cigarette on December 24 – this was his Christmas present to my mother.  I am VERY proud of him for quitting.  He says that not a day goes by that he doesn’t crave a cigarette, but he does feel better. Kim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I haven’t been posting in awhile, largely because I’ve been too embarrassed.  I quit smoking a few years ago, went through a major asthma exacerbation last fall, thought I would never breathe again, and then low and behold, along came accolate.  Four weeks on accolate and I had peak flows like I hadn’t had in 5 years, let alone pre-pnemonia(sp).  Add that to my 1000 mile drive to civilization and in July I started smoking again.  And you know what — my peak flows didn’t plummet!  However, I have caught a cold now, my peak flows are plummeting daily, I can’t breathe, and I have, rational person I am (though sometimes thoughtless) come to realization that I CANNOT CONTINUE TO FOOL MYSELF AND SMOKE. Happily I have never smoked.  However I have heard that it’s one of the hardest addictions to break because its so addictive, and it involves both substance (nicotine) and process (lighting up) addictions.  Plus, it seems to me that smokers and non-smokers have different social circles and that of an ex-smoker is probably their previous one which will produce peer pressure to smoke again. So I say well done for giving it up for a substantial period of time, and also for reaching the above conclusion.  So, I have quite once again! Today, and tomorrow and God willing, forever. With your religious beliefs you may find that a 12-step program (as followed by AA and so on) will help you, though I suggest you look for a non-smoking meeting!  There may be a specific group for giving up smoking where you live, or Narcotics Anonymous may be the right place. I know a woman who went to AA for several years because there was no Overeaters Anonymous where she lived. So, I’m embarassed because I, an intelligent human being, who has read the literature and understands the correlations and problems, allowed myself to start smoking again.  I’m also too embarassed at this point to go and talk to my Dr. to get drugs for the cold….cause I would have to admit I’m smoking….. If it is really just a cold drugs won’t help anyway – tucking up in bed for a few days with plenty of fluids is what you need.  However, if you have signs that you need antibiotics please go to the doctor.  I reckon that being embarrassed is better than being sick! I needed a place to write this and pronounce it…..don’t flame me, as I said, I’m intelligent enough to know that even without allergy induced asthma, smoking will kill me, if not as quickly as a gun, certainly as surely as one, but I won’t mind encouragement…. and perhaps that all embarassing question to answer yes too — Are you smoking? — Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double ‘w’ to single ‘w’ to view site & send Email.

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The problem with Zyban is that many insurance companies will not pay for it. It is still cheaper than buying two packs per day of cigarettes, but most smokers don’t see it that way and refuse to pay for it themselves. A recent study just showed that an older, cheaper,  antidepressant, nortriptylline (Pamelor), is also helpful. It does have more side effects such as dry mouth and sedation. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad smoked for 50 years.  He used Zyban, and had his last cigarette on December 24 – this was his Christmas present to my mother.  I am VERY proud of him for quitting.  He says that not a day goes by that he doesn’t crave a cigarette, but he does feel better. Kim Well, I haven’t been posting in awhile, largely because I’ve been too embarrassed.  I quit smoking a few years ago, went through a major asthma exacerbation last fall, thought I would never breathe again, and then low and behold, along came accolate.  Four weeks on accolate and I had peak flows like I hadn’t had in 5 years, let alone pre-pnemonia(sp).  Add that to my 1000 mile drive to civilization and in July I started smoking again.  And you know what — my peak flows didn’t plummet!  However, I have caught a cold now, my peak flows are plummeting daily, I can’t breathe, and I have, rational person I am (though sometimes thoughtless) come to realization that I CANNOT CONTINUE TO FOOL MYSELF AND SMOKE. Happily I have never smoked.  However I have heard that it’s one of the hardest addictions to break because its so addictive, and it involves both substance (nicotine) and process (lighting up) addictions.  Plus, it seems to me that smokers and non-smokers have different social circles and that of an ex-smoker is probably their previous one which will produce peer pressure to smoke again. So I say well done for giving it up for a substantial period of time, and also for reaching the above conclusion.  So, I have quite once again! Today, and tomorrow and God willing, forever. With your religious beliefs you may find that a 12-step program (as followed by AA and so on) will help you, though I suggest you look for a non-smoking meeting!  There may be a specific group for giving up smoking where you live, or Narcotics Anonymous may be the right place. I know a woman who went to AA for several years because there was no Overeaters Anonymous where she lived. So, I’m embarassed because I, an intelligent human being, who has read the literature and understands the correlations and problems, allowed myself to start smoking again.  I’m also too embarassed at this point to go and talk to my Dr. to get drugs for the cold….cause I would have to admit I’m smoking….. If it is really just a cold drugs won’t help anyway – tucking up in bed for a few days with plenty of fluids is what you need.  However, if you have signs that you need antibiotics please go to the doctor.  I reckon that being embarrassed is better than being sick! I needed a place to write this and pronounce it…..don’t flame me, as I said, I’m intelligent enough to know that even without allergy induced asthma, smoking will kill me, if not as quickly as a gun, certainly as surely as one, but I won’t mind encouragement…. and perhaps that all embarassing question to answer yes too — Are you smoking? — Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double ‘w’ to single ‘w’ to view site & send

Email.

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Well, I haven’t been posting in awhile, largely because I’ve been too embarrassed.  I quit smoking a few years ago, went through a major asthma exacerbation last fall, thought I would never breathe again, and then low and behold, along came accolate.  Four weeks on accolate and I had peak flows like I hadn’t had in 5 years, let alone pre-pnemonia(sp).  Add that to my 1000 mile drive to civilization and in July I started smoking again.  And you know what — my peak flows didn’t plummet!  However, I have caught a cold now, my peak flows are plummeting daily, I can’t breathe, and I have, rational person I am (though sometimes thoughtless) come to realization that I CANNOT CONTINUE TO FOOL MYSELF AND SMOKE.

Happily I have never smoked.  However I have heard that it’s one of the hardest addictions to break because its so addictive, and it involves both substance (nicotine) and process (lighting up) addictions.  Plus, it seems to me that smokers and non-smokers have different social circles and that of an ex-smoker is probably their previous one which will produce peer pressure to smoke again. So I say well done for giving it up for a substantial period of time, and also for reaching the above conclusion.  So, I have quite once again! Today, and tomorrow and God willing, forever.  

With your religious beliefs you may find that a 12-step program (as followed by AA and so on) will help you, though I suggest you look for a non-smoking meeting!  There may be a specific group for giving up smoking where you live, or Narcotics Anonymous may be the right place. I know a woman who went to AA for several years because there was no Overeaters Anonymous where she lived. So, I’m embarassed because I, an intelligent human being, who has read the literature and understands the correlations and problems, allowed myself to start smoking again.  I’m also too embarassed at this point to go and talk to my Dr. to get drugs for the cold….cause I would have to admit I’m smoking…..

If it is really just a cold drugs won’t help anyway – tucking up in bed for a few days with plenty of fluids is what you need.  However, if you have signs that you need antibiotics please go to the doctor.  I reckon that being embarrassed is better than being sick! I needed a place to write this and pronounce it…..don’t flame me, as I said, I’m intelligent enough to know that even without allergy induced asthma, smoking will kill me, if not as quickly as a gun, certainly as surely as one, but I won’t mind encouragement…. and perhaps that all embarassing question to answer yes too — Are you smoking?

– Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double ‘w’ to single ‘w’ to view site & send Email.

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Well, I haven’t been posting in awhile, largely because I’ve been too embarrassed.  I quit smoking a few years ago, went through a major asthma exacerbation last fall, thought I would never breathe again, and then low and behold, along came accolate.  Four weeks on accolate and I had peak flows like I hadn’t had in 5 years, let alone pre-pnemonia(sp).  Add that to my 1000 mile drive to civilization and in July I started smoking again.  And you know what — my peak flows didn’t plummet!  However, I have caught a cold now, my peak flows are plummeting daily, I can’t breathe, and I have, rational person I am (though sometimes thoughtless) come to realization that I CANNOT CONTINUE TO FOOL MYSELF AND SMOKE.  So, I have quite once again! Today, and tomorrow and God willing, forever.  So, I’m embarassed because I, an intelligent human being, who has read the literature and understands the correlations and problems, allowed myself to start smoking again.  I’m also too embarassed at this point to go and talk to my Dr. to get drugs for the cold….cause I would have to admit I’m smoking….. I needed a place to write this and pronounce it…..don’t flame me, as I said, I’m intelligent enough to know that even without allergy induced asthma, smoking will kill me, if not as quickly as a gun, certainly as surely as one, but I won’t mind encouragement…. and perhaps that all embarassing question to answer yes too — Are you smoking?

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