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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Some years ago, after a particularly long and loud session, I noticed residual ringing in one of my ears. It never went away…. I use custom-made earplugs to stop the tinnitus level from rising any higher now, though sometimes I wonder whether I should just give up and go classical. Should have been using ‘em all along. My advice: Buy now, before it’s too late… OK, OK, they’re like condoms for the ears (it’s always better without), but better safe than sorry if you’re working with loud music.
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Recovery is possible. Takes time and caution. I’m better now, but had damaged my ears to the point that tinnitus visited occasionally. Among some friends it got to be a chuckle when they’d see me put a finger over my ear to see whether a high pitched noise was inside or outside my head. Be careful, wear plugs, watch out for the snare drum and cymbals and with luck and care you’ll be able to hear the chime and ring of that amp for many more years. Ron
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I’ve got it, too. If you don’t already have it, avoid it… I use earplugs at *every* gig (as player or listener). Avoiding high Sound Pressure Levels is, in my opinion, the only cure. I think that ear-level speaker cabinets were a prime cause in my case (my hearing *range* is significantly narrower in my Right ear - the one next to the cabinet). My doctor ran through the possible causes and cures. I tried the dietary recommendations (no dairy products) to reduce the level of mucus in the Ear-Nose-Throat system – no change (no surprise – the problem wasn’t caused by my diet). I tried homeopathic medicine – no change. At first, I couldn’t listen to *any* music without the whine starting up, I thought I’d stopped enjoying music for life! The problem has lessened over the last 15 years – I’ve grown acclimatised to its occasional appearance, it’s no longer a nuisance. Peculiarly, there is a *psychosomatic* element to it (just seeing the *word* "tinnitus" in the subject header set it off!) My doctor had me try to zero-in on the offending frequencies with guitar feedback but: 1. C’mon, d’you think I’ve never heard of the *placebo* effect? 2. I experience Tinnitus as oscillation *far above* my normal range of hearing (too high for me to discern its musical pitch). I’ll say it yet again… Avoiding high Sound Pressure Levels is, in my opinion, the only cure. Elmo’ 7#9
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Get a jar of those foam plug (available by the box or jar) throw a handful in your gear bag, a handful in your glove compartment, and keep the rest at practice. That way, you’ll always have some handy for you and friends…cheap enough to give away. Tinnitus is a bitch…I’m always glad when I wear them, and usually wish I had when I don’t.
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Mention the tinnitus to your dentist on your next visit. You could be a night grinder. Hey! Good name for a band…
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I am 46. When I was 15, the ringing began after being explosed to a particularly loud session in very close range. It has never stopped. For about 10 years (ending about 5 years ago), I rarely played, but still went to loud concerts. After starting to play agin, the ringing got even worse, so I finally bought some custom made plugs to try to reduce the risk of further damage. The ringing annoys me, and worries me that I will someday be able to hear nothing but the ringing. But it is not yet interfering severely with my life.
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
In the 80’s I went to see "The Angels" play down under. The levels were so loud that the whole concert was distortion and it hurt the whole time. Vocals drums, bass, everything was just distortion. The next day I kept thinking that the phone was ringing and tried to answer it. No side effects now, although I guess I may have had some hearing damage. I have a friend who gets tinitus. Not a muso, but a labourer. It really drives this guy nutz!
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Mention the tinnitus to your dentist on your next visit. You could be a night grinder. Hey! Good name for a band…
Don’t forget…remove all of your Amalgom and replace with bonded composites. "Amalgom" is not as good as "Night Grinder", but in the context of Dental Conspiracy Band Names…well, it’s a pretty small room. Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Tinnitus, Night Grinder, and special guest Amalgom. At the Fair Grounds. Be There!
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Sh1t…’Amalgam’
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
I’ve done some work as security manning the rails at concerts. Between having your back to a huge stack of loudspeakers, and safely catching 225 pound crowd surfers and sending them peacefully on their way to do it all over again, earplugs and a back brace are not an option. I’ve never had continuous ringing, just a few hours worth, but it keeps you awake. When your young it’s a badge of courage. Now that we’re older we know the facts. I hope it works out for all of you, I can’t think of anything worse for a musician. Imagine poor Beethoven, given the gift to formulate beautiful music, while losing your hearing. cheers… HJA Ears fine, eyes starting to betray me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Because of the first day on the rifle range in basic training Aug/Sept 1954, firing one round and coaching two rounds. i was almost completly deaf in both ears for about 3 or 4 days. I have had Tinnitus ever since. The tones will change frequency, and each ear has a differennt frequency. It is very hard to hear an electronic ringer phone, because the sound is almost the same as the tones from the Tinnitus. The apparant volumn will change also. I could not enjoy music for over a year after it happened. As has been said, don’t overload your ears. Dave Foreman
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Every now and then I suffer from a sudden un-explained burst of tinnitus, and then luckily it goes away in about a minute. I hate that ringing in my ears… it reminds me of a blonde girlfriend I had whose head whistled when she walked… :)
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and then luckily it goes away in about a minute. I hate that ringing in my ears… it reminds me of a blonde
girlfriend I had whose head whistled when she walked… :)
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i have tinnitus..but i don’t think it’s because of all my playing..i think it’s all because of the machines of all the time at work..i work in a print shop and i’m a technician-prepress operator0-do it all.. the good thing is that i sleep a lot better..i live with 2 snorers..(they’re more like 2 trains..) georgio Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? I’m 52, got the first case of ringing ears (that lasted all night) the first time I went to a rock club and saw a band live, when I was in my teens. It comes and it goes, depending on my exposure, the decibels and the duration. A few years back, I had it real bad because I was playing with some idiots who didn’t know what a volume knob was. There was this harp player who insisted on coming through the monitor on my side, and it was a killer. I’ll NEVER have a harp player in any band again after that. NEVER. It’s subsided again, but it’s still always there. And loud bands kill me now. My ears can’t take it anymore, it REALLY hurts. The best thing you can do, other than try to control your exposure to high decibels, is to go to an audiologist and get a pair of the custom fitted "Musicians Earplugs". I think I paid about $115 for mine. That’s CHEAP when you try to put a price on your hearing, which is irreplaceable. CHEAP. The foam jobs will work, but they’re uncomfortable and nothing sounds good with them. And forget trying to sing with them in, it’s a lesson in futility. ~kp
I’m not sure that the ringing ears and suppressed hearing that you recover from after exposure to loud noise qualifies as ‘Tinnitus’. My impression was that tinnitus caused a ringing in the ears that may vary in degree from time to time, but *never* goes away. I have that in my right ear. Not extreme, but annoying. Sounds like a 15k carrier signal constantly. Mine comes from exposure to industrial noise so loud that no amount of hearing protection will prevent it. Listening to, and playing in, loud band probably contributed to it as well though. And harp players… Grrr…. I love great harmonica playing, but I’ve had my hearing drilled too many times by a clueless noob that either had an amp too big, or insisted on playing through a cranked vocal mic. It has been truly rare when the band was so loud, or the venue so large, that the harp player needed an amp bigger than 15 watts. Their frequency range carries distances with very little power. I’ve also witnessed a packed house at a jam club instantly vacated *many* times by an annoying, too-loud harmonica. I still love ‘em, but somebody else in the band needs to keep a leash on these guys. 
John King "Don’t squat with your spurs on." – (Will Rogers)
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I saw Rick Derringer a few years ago, at an outdoor concert. I was standing right at the stage, about 4 feet from where Rick was standing. Right in front of my line of sight, next to the drums, were 2 – Peavey Classic 50, 4×10’s. Rick was just cranking it out, man, he was just blowing me away, the tones were incredible. That night, when I went to bed, I heard the obligatory after concert ringing. It usually would go away the next day or so. It didn’t. It’s been several years and I still have the ringing, but I don’t really notice it anymore, unless it’s dead quiet and late at night. That was probably one of, if not the greatest concert I have ever been to, and his tones were just indescribable. I don’t know if it will ever go away, probably not, since it’s been several years now. I’d rather not have the ringing, but that concert was so great, that I’ll accept the ringing without regret. Mikey
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Hello, Most of the time I think it’s knowing where to put your amp and speakers, and, where to stand in relation to where the speaker cabs are, and where the drums are. Back in the days of full Marshall stacks, I never played mine that way. I "always" put the cabs side by side, or split `em to each side of the stage. Knowing where that beam or direction/projection of sound is, and how to use it to your good effect, is wonderful. It allows you to choose to step into (controllable feedback, more sustain, etc.) or out of the beam of sound (protecting your hearing, etc). I’ve always tried to be mindful of what is pointed or aimed at my head, and to be careful. It isn’t hard to try an experiment where you aim the cab at your waist and play, and then aim it at your head. In the latter, your room volume gets higher very quickly. Anytime I use an amp stand or a chair to put a cab or combo on, it never is aimed at my head. About 45 days ago our band played a very small club, and I was about two feet away from the drummer’s crash symbol the whole night. I got an ear plug and put it in my left ear – the one close to the symbol. Then I was mindful of my body posture, and I kept my back to that symbol most of the night, keeping my ears away from it. I think I’ve experienced more loud music as a listener in the audience, than on stage. Our band plays at fairly high stage volume levels, but most of that blows by me and the beam/projection is more like belt-high than head-high. Rex and I are mindful of where we aim our amps and cabs, so that the audience doesn’t get blasted as well. I always carry ear plugs with me – they are more for my protection as a potential member of an audience rather than on stage. Performing live I rarely use ear plugs, but I’m also very, very careful of what I allow near my head or ears in terms of volume of anything. The offender I find more damaging to me personally that loud amps and drums on stage, is the slightly tipsy guy who insists on having some sort of conversation with me as I’m listening to the band on stage, and leans into me and is yelling in my ear. That hurts my ears more than most any amps or drum set that I’ve been around. I "always" find at excuse to move on from that yelling inebriated guy. All the best. Walk in Beauty, Peace. Scott Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
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Yes, tinnitis is an occupational hazard that will pay you back for life. Living in a big city doesn’t help either. I’ve had my share of hearing damage from loud subways, pneumatic drills, as well as the self inflicted damage of standing next to the drummer’s cymbals without understanding (from 16 to maybe 21 years old) how much damage I was doing. I have tinnitis every day. I live with it. I accept — if not embrace – it. Mostly it doesn’t bother me anymore. What is more bothersome is the notch in my hearing at 4K which is widening as I get older. I find myself asking "What?" a lot more than I like and I’m only 49. I guy I used to work in a band with quit loud music and sold his amp saying that by the time we were 50 we would have to wheel the damn amps behind us with a mic plugged in so we could hear what people were saying. Not too far off the still works, btw, a Bruce Bass amp. I have been using hearing protection since the late ’70’s but much of the damage was already done, between my own musical ventures and concerts. Getting a hearing test with tinnitis is a riot. They put you in a soundproof booth and a youngish, usually cute, Speech Pathologist asks you to raise your hand when you hear a tone. Half the time my hand’s going up when she’s not even sending a tone because I’m hearing one in that soundproof booth all the time. Oh well, next life I am going to take up badminton instead of music. Paul Don’t just sit there — DO SOMETHING! PC
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Getting a hearing test with tinnitis is a riot. They put you in a soundproof booth and a youngish, usually cute, Speech Pathologist asks you to raise your hand when you hear a tone. Half the time my hand’s going up when she’s not even sending a tone because I’m hearing one in that soundproof booth all the time.
They gave me a little button to push, had all these itty bitty transducers of some kind all over my head. At least they *told* me it was a hearing test. And when you ask for the results, they just tell you your hearing is average for someone of your age, what the hell is that supposed to mean, average for someone who spent his youth in front of bands like the Who and Deep Purple and thus can be expected to hear the dinner bell twenty-four hours a day? Young bastard hearing test technician, glad I let the air out of his tires on the way out.
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? As you might have guessed, I have. Not cool. I have begun to take steps to minimize my exposure to loud sounds, including not plugging in at all for most part, when I practice. And I just got a new (old) Vibrolux….man that sweet crisp Fender sound just rings like a bell, but so do my ears after playing too loud!
Well, I’ve gone down the thread, and found everyone’s comments very interesting. So, I thought I’d add a few more. Not common knowledge to most musicians, hearing loss from loud music, is not number one the list of causes. Infection is. More hearing is lost from infection than loud noises. From a conversation with an ear doctor a number of years ago I also learned that high blood pressure is another cause for ringing in the ears, along with ear wax and inflammation being few others. Ear plugs are a great thing, and so are cigarette filters, tissues, and anything handy when you forget the real things. However, as the saying goes, it’s easier to stay out of trouble, than it is to get out of trouble. Tip 1. For that reason, in the stacks I’ve played through both now and then, I never had any speakers in the top, of the top cabs. NEVER have any Tip 2. NEVER play in a band with TWO guitar players. I like to hear the spaces in the music, and the distortion of two guitar players is enough to kill the hearing of a stone. Plus, when two guitar players are in ego conflict, they try to dominate by their volume. That’s why, power trio’s are my only game. Well, unless it’s an R&B band with keys and horns, around the vocals. Tip 3. Never get on the stage with a large number of people who can’t get the concept, to DROP OUT, cause the MUSIC is already clogged up with TOO I’ve been on the stage with experienced cat in large numbers, and you will only hear the drums, bass, and a lead instrument through out the musical piece. Things get passed around, and the musicians have to wait their turn to burn. Tip 4. Know how to find and/or create SAFE ZONES when you set up the stage. Learn a bit about the acoustic architecture of your environment you are playing in. For example, a 10 watt amp in a closed cement walled garage can sound great, and at the same time kill your ears for life. That same 10 watt amp in the middle of the stage in an old well designed theater can be heard throughout the total seating and hurt no one. But that 10 watt amp in the middle of a football field, will sound like a transistor radio with a weak battery. It is the acoustic environment that controls the amount of sonic energy dissipated on the way to your ears, that is at play here. <Rich comments There are times where you NEED the big watts and times when you DON’T, to be perceived to be at the same volume levels. This, is really However, that 10 watt amp in the garage can be just as deadly as a Marshall stack in the middle of that football field at full tilt boogie. <thinking I’ve still got my hearing after all these years, because I DON’T LIKE LOUD NOISE!!!!! I used plugs, used safe zones, and stayed out of the line of Even my own!!!!!!! <thinking When MUSIC sounds like NOISE, I’m out of here, and I don’t care who’s making the NOISE. <thinking No two people hear the same sound the same way 100%, by the time the brain cells react, and tell what’s going on. But, we would like to believe what we hear, is what the other person hears, at the same time BOTH of us are listening to it. But that ain’t the case. All we have is related verbal confirmation. With colors, it’s the same thing. Think of being with a person with color blindness color distortion. How would that would be relating to them the colors in a painting. But in this case, instead of it being an EYE thing, it’s an EAR thing with a distorted perception going on. <thinking And, this assumes no tinnitus present, to complicate the matter. Just some thoughts from a tired over worked, I played a gig, got home late, and posted to unwind everything tech. Regards, Rich Koerner, Time Electronics. http://www.timeelect.com Specialists in Live Sound FOH Engineering, Music & Studio Production, Vintage Instruments, and Tube Amplifiers
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Mention the tinnitus to your dentist on your next visit. You could be a night grinder. Hey! Good name for a band… Don’t forget…remove all of your Amalgom and replace with bonded composites.
Good idea; most people don’t realize that dental amalgam has lead as one of it’s major components. It’s unbelievable that even after all these years of warnings about lead poisoning that dentists still use that shit. — de Jack N2MPU FN20 Modeling the NYC and NYNH&H in HO and CP Rail and D&H in N Proud NRA member
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mention the tinnitus to your dentist on your next visit. You could be a night grinder. Hey! Good name for a band… Don’t forget…remove all of your Amalgom and replace with bonded composites. Good idea; most people don’t realize that dental amalgam has lead as one of it’s major components. It’s unbelievable that even after all these years of warnings about lead poisoning that dentists still use that shit.
Um…no they don’t.
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Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty?
I have it so badly 24/7 that I’m disabled. Any noise at all sets it off worse. It’s been getting progressively worse for about the last ten years. I cannot listen to music at any but the very softest levels. I have to wear industrial earplugs nearly all the time. I have to speak softly and can no longer sing. If you are experiencing it now after playing, you will eventually have it all the time when you’re not, probably sometime in middle age, maybe as badly as I do – or worse. There is no effective treatment for tinnitus (which is not a disease, but merely a symptom) caused by nerve damage in the ears resulting from high volume environments. Kids, TAKE CARE OF YOUR EARS! You may live longer than you deserve. E-mail: bongolation<ATmail.md – Change <AT to @ symbol to reply. See COMPLETE headers for more info. Headers are good – view them. You are not an official member of a.g.a until you are my killfile.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got anyone’s attention? I want to start by polling the group, who’s experienced residual ringing after playing loud amps to the extent it has caused significant concern/difficulty? I have it so badly 24/7 that I’m disabled. Any noise at all sets it off worse. It’s been getting progressively worse for about the last ten years. I cannot listen to music at any but the very softest levels. I have to wear industrial earplugs nearly all the time. I have to speak softly and can no longer sing.
Have you tried the white-noise generating earpieces?
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You seem to be having a lot of problems with your spelling today: irrelevant to the subject ot his grop anyway What does that little snippet mean Mr English? Debs Moreover, you can’t even read–I never said that I have tinnitus, which is irrelevant to the subject ot his grop anyway. It was the witch Carole who inferred that I have tinnitus and used this inference as an opportunity to ridicule someone she claimed had this illness. You, of course, greeted this abomination with an approving silence. That’s ll we need to know about your value system.
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You’re a mean, twisted person. You have no business on a support group. Why don’t you start a newsgroup dedicated to making fun of the physically or mentally handicapped? Sounds just about your speed.
Piss off. — Fran If you need my email address please ask.
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Piss off.
I notice that you take no umbrage at ridicule of people with physical ailments by Carole, but are moved to vulgar rebuke by those who criticize such cruelty. So much for your integrity. Sounds like you’re already a bit pissed–like your brain is soaked with Ripple or Thunderbird if you can think this way.
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But the point is that I never stated on THIS group that I had tinnitus–so you inferred this from what I wrote on another group. And then you used it as an opportunity to heap ridicule on someone on the grounds of physical debility. You are beneath contempt.
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I don’t think he ever said he had tinnitus; he only implied that he did. Never mind the rest… Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people on this ’support’ are dealing with chronic diseases and disabilities yet they still can have a sense of humor to help them get through the rough times. What IBD do you have William? You say now you have Tinnitus but when you were busy attacking everyone on that group you also refused to say what was wrong. UM MOM Susan So you think that ridicule of ailments is funny too? Hardly surprising given your indifference to the people who might find relief through dietary regimens. You’re as twisted as your soulless-mate Carole. Maybe it was diet? Debs Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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Your posts ot the tinnitus support group are readable via the google archives, including treatments you mention you have used. I didn’t "infer" – I reported knowledge that is publicly available to anyone who looks for it. Of course, if you don’t in fact have it, you posted under false pretenses in the tinnitus group. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Moreover, you can’t even read–I never said that I have tinnitus, which is irrelevant to the subject ot his grop anyway. It was the witch Carole who inferred that I have tinnitus and used this inference as an opportunity to ridicule someone she claimed had this illness.
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You have shown support for people who make public death threats and who ridicule people with illnesses by failing to rebuke them. To that extent you are a blight on this group, and I feel no obligation to have any discourse with you. The group would be better off without you. For the most part you treat this group as a lonely-hearts club where you gossip and exchange personal greetings with people in a way that would be more appropriately done in private. Moreover, you can’t even read–I never said that I have tinnitus, which is irrelevant to the subject ot his grop anyway. It was the witch Carole who inferred that I have tinnitus and used this inference as an opportunity to ridicule someone she claimed had this illness. You, of course, greeted this abomination with an approving silence. That’s ll we need to know about your value system.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The people on this ’support’ are dealing with chronic diseases and disabilities yet they still can have a sense of humor to help them get through the rough times. What IBD do you have William? You say now you have Tinnitus but when you were busy attacking everyone on that group you also refused to say what was wrong. UM MOM Susan So you think that ridicule of ailments is funny too? Hardly surprising given your indifference to the people who might find relief through dietary regimens. You’re as twisted as your soulless-mate Carole. Maybe it was diet? Debs Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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So you think that ridicule of ailments is funny too? Hardly surprising given your indifference to the people who might find relief through dietary regimens. You’re as twisted as your soulless-mate Carole.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it was diet? Debs Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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Chortling like a hyena at the crowd that just loves to ridicule people with physical ailments. Why don’t you start a Web site that collects jokes about people with Lou Gehrig’s disease? I’m sure that would provide you with endless hours of mirth.
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You’re a mean, twisted person. You have no business on a support group. Why don’t you start a newsgroup dedicated to making fun of the physically or mentally handicapped? Sounds just about your speed.
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The people on this ’support’ are dealing with chronic diseases and disabilities yet they still can have a sense of humor to help them get through the rough times. What IBD do you have William? You say now you have Tinnitus but when you were busy attacking everyone on that group you also refused to say what was wrong. UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So you think that ridicule of ailments is funny too? Hardly surprising given your indifference to the people who might find relief through dietary regimens. You’re as twisted as your soulless-mate Carole. Maybe it was diet? Debs Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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Gingko does wonders for tinnitus. Karl
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actually, i suffer from tinnitis terribly. it was related to the imune mediated inner ear disease (imed) as a result of autoimmunity (sometimes called autoimmune ear disease-aied). the "extra noise" is not nice. jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, Mr. K has tinnitus, based on a google search of his posts….perhaps he is just hearing things?
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carole, have bad english and he will get a kick out’a that and give you all kinds of support! jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Probably all that time I spend around tatooed men in handcuffs and fashionable jail clothing has had a negative effect on me. Actually, I previously posted a very nice post, asking what form of IBD you had and how we could help and support you, but you didn’t choose to respond to that one. I’d be happy to provide support to you in this ng if you provide some indication of your situation and how I (and the rest of the ng) may be of help, or just offer a sympathetic ear. Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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it doesn’t do $HIT! (guess this is on topic, hee, hee). jeff
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Maybe it was diet? Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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lol Mel 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it was diet? Debs Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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OK, I have a sense of humor…I have IBD..I am full of sh…t – literally. (How many of the regulars agree that that being full of it is precisely the health issue we deal with daily… at least disposing of this excess?).. .ok, happy now? I insulted myself too with my cruel abuse. Even-Steven. Let’s everyone lighten up, ok? Let’s get back to support. AND FELLOW POSTERS, WE NEED SOME HUMOR NOW! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why do you fail to register any offense at Carole’s ridicule of a physical ailment but rather reserve all your bile for a defense against his appalling, cruel abuse? With a twisted ethical perspective like yours, you are no loss to this list. Good riddance. Excuse me for saying this but I am on my way out of this newsgroup…..you Sir are so buried in your own thoughts of being the eternal sole intellect on this newsgroup that it escapes you to be nice. Do you want a Nobel prize? Yes? Then do something positive (or maybe getting laid might help you!!). Maybe they will leave you alone in return. Friendly advice…..outta here…gone……oh, let me say it for "another individual who is warped by her environment thus posting statements that are inept of anything informative to me" No need to reply sir as I did it for you! Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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"another individual who is warped by her environment thus posting statements that are inept of anything informative to me"
By the way–I take it that English is not your native tongue? Or, in addition to approving of people who ridicule those who ridicule those with tinnitus and other ailments, do you leap onstage on open-mike night at the local comedy club and make fun of Jerry’s Kids?
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Probably all that time I spend around tatooed men in handcuffs and fashionable jail clothing has had a negative effect on me. Actually, I previously posted a very nice post, asking what form of IBD you had and how we could help and support you, but you didn’t choose to respond to that one. I’d be happy to provide support to you in this ng if you provide some indication of your situation and how I (and the rest of the ng) may be of help, or just offer a sympathetic ear. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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Excuse me for saying this but I am on my way out of this newsgroup…..you Sir are so buried in your own thoughts of being the eternal sole intellect on this newsgroup that it escapes you to be nice. Do you want a Nobel prize? Yes? Then do something positive (or maybe getting laid might help you!!). Maybe they will leave you alone in return. Friendly advice…..outta here…gone……oh, let me say it for "another individual who is warped by her environment thus posting statements that are inept of anything informative to me" No need to reply sir as I did it for you!
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Why do you fail to register any offense at Carole’s ridicule of a physical ailment but rather reserve all your bile for a defense against his appalling, cruel abuse? With a twisted ethical perspective like yours, you are no loss to this list. Good riddance.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excuse me for saying this but I am on my way out of this newsgroup…..you Sir are so buried in your own thoughts of being the eternal sole intellect on this newsgroup that it escapes you to be nice. Do you want a Nobel prize? Yes? Then do something positive (or maybe getting laid might help you!!). Maybe they will leave you alone in return. Friendly advice…..outta here…gone……oh, let me say it for "another individual who is warped by her environment thus posting statements that are inept of anything informative to me" No need to reply sir as I did it for you! Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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Apparently, Mr. K has tinnitus, based on a google search of his posts….perhaps he is just hearing things?
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Here’s someone who claims to oppose flames and trolling–yet she starts an entire thread devoted to . . . a personal flame. The only consolation here is that her credibility lies in ashes now, especially when she pontificates about trolling.
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Also, notice how here, on a SUPPORT group, compassionate Carole ridicules people with physical ailments. Was she born this vicious, or was she warped by her environment?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available??
Suggest you subscribe to the newsgroup alt.support.tinnitus. There’s an excellent FAQ covering Gingko etc. David Powner
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available?? David Booth Via ENABEL – Communications & Information Network
David: Gingko Biloba comes from one of the oldest trees in the world, some of these trees live a thousand years. The product is extracted from the roots of the tree. It works by increasing blood circulation, like to the small intricate parts of the ear. Also Valium and Xaanax work well for tinnitus. More info on Gingko: What drugs, vitamins, and herbs are available for treating tinnitus? * niacin Niacin supplements produce a temporary flushing effect that is supposed to pump more oxygen into the inner ear due to vasodilation. Take niacin on an empty stomach for best results. You may experience a flush ranging from a mild sunburn to wondering about spontaneous skin combustion. You may also experience a "dry mouth" sensation. MEGADOSES OF NIACIN CAN DESTROY YOUR LIVER AND KILL YOU. 50mg twice per day is a common dose for tinnitus. If you experience the flush, then you are getting the maximum benefit. Caution: niacin can provoke migraine headache attacks in some people. Some people report good results from niacin, other people gain nothing. Your mileage may vary. One contributor advocates taking niacin in combination with thiamine: The 1994 text on Myofascial Pain: Trigger Points said that Niacin without Thiamine will do no good for tinnitus. I don’t recall the reasoning. Nicotinic Acid (a form of Niacin) if taken in over 500mg per day should only be done so with Dr. approval. I take 100mg per day with a B-complex vitamin that already is balanced properly. You want roughly two parts niacinamide for each one part thiamine. Most vitamins will come balanced in this proportion. To my knowledge Nicotinic Acid in large doses like 2-5mg per day over a year or so, could lead to liver damage. Niacinamide shouldn’t have any negative effects nor should thiamine. But I suppose if someone swallows a bottle they’d have a side effect! There is no clinical proof for the effectiveness of niacin in treating tinnitus. This is inherently difficult to prove due to a possible "placebo effect" arising from the niacin flush sensation rather than any therapeutic value of the underlying vasodilation. Additionally, any vasodilation that occurs cannot benefit the cochlear hair cells, because the blood vessel (vas spralie) that feeds these cells cannot expand or contract. * lecithin The following anecdotal report advocates lecithin in combination with niacin [Ed. note: my nutrition book does not cover lecithin, so I cannot speculate as to toxicity and side-effects]: After reading the tinnitus faq I emailed to my father, he replied that he has helped a number of people cure their own tinnitus by using Niacin and Lecithin. His theory is that the lecithin, being an emulsifier, helps disperse the build up of fats in the capillaries, and the niacin helps dilate the capillaries to let the lecithin in. He had meier’s [sic - Meniere's ?] syndrome in the 70’s, and cured it this way. Our neighbor, a police officer, retired on disability for the same reason, and Dad practically cured him that way. I got tinnitus as a result of childhood ear infections, and it has done nothing for me, but then, mine is not what I would call irritating. It does seem that after chelation, the noise is less. CAUTION: Smart Drugs & Nutrients, Dean & Morgenthaler, 1991, Heath Freedom Publications, ISBN 0-9627418-9-2, says that phosphatidyl choline is the active ingredient of lecithin, and as a precursor of acetylcholine should be avoided by people who are manic-depressive because it can deepen the depressive phase. * gingko biloba Gingko biloba leaves have been used therapeutically by the Chinese for centuries for the treatment of asthma and bronchitis. In western countries a standardized 50:1 concentrate of 24% gingko flavoglycosides is used, either in liquid or capsule form. Gingko has been shown to increase circulation throughout the body and the brain. The article "Ginkgo biloba", The Lancet, Vol 340, Nov 7, 1992, pp. 1136-1139, examines numerous studies on the efficacy of ginkgo on intermittent claudication (pain while walking), and cerebral insufficiency, a wide collection of vascular impairment symptoms including tinnitus. Typical dosages range from 120-160mg per day, divided equally at meal time. Most studies showed that between 30-70% of subjects had reduced symptoms over a 6-12 week period. No serious side effects were observed, and any minor side effects were not statistically significant compared to subjects treated only with placebo. Other references on gingko biloba: As to tinnitus, Hobbs in reference (1) says: For example, in 1986 a study statistically proved the effectiveness of treatment with ginkgo extract for tinnitus: the ringing completely disappeared in 35% of the patients tested, with a distinct improvement in as little as 70 days!(2) Similarly, when 350 patients with hearing defects due to old age were treated with ginkgo extract, the success rate was 82%. Furthermore, a follow-up study of 137 of the original group of elderly patients 5 years later revealed that 67% still had better hearing(3). References 1.) Ginkgo Elixir of Youth; Christopher Hobbs; Botanica Press, Box 742, Capitola, CA 95010; 1991; pages 50-51 2.) Tinnitus-multicenter study. A multicentric study of the ear; Meyer, B.; 1980; Ann. Oto-Laryng. (Paris) 103:185-8 3.) Tebonin-therapy with old hard-of-hearing people. Koeppel, F. W.; 1980; Therapiewoche 30: 6443-46 Here’s an abstract of a recent paper in Audiology: Holgers KM; Axelsson A; Pringle I Ginkgo biloba extract for the treatment of tinnitus. Department of Audiology, Sahlgren’s Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden. Language: Eng Source: Audiology 1994 Mar-Apr;33(2):85-92 Unique Identifier: 94234927 Abstract: Previous studies have shown contradictory results of Ginkgo biloba extract (GBE) treatment of tinnitus. The present study was divided into two parts: first an open part, without placebo control (n = 80), followed by a double-blind placebo-controlled study (n = 20). The patients included in the open study were patients who had been referred to the Department of Audiology, Sahlgren’s Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden, due to persistent severe tinnitus. Patients reporting a positive effect on tinnitus in the open study were included in the double-blind placebo-controlled study (20 out of 21 patients participated). 7 patients preferred GBE to placebo, 7 placebo to GBE and 6 patients had no preference. Statistical group analysis gives no support to the hypothesis that GBE has any effect on tinnitus, although it is possible that GBE has an effect on some patients due to several reasons, e.g. the diverse etiology of tinnitus. Since there is no objective method to measure the symptom, the search for an effective drug can only be made on an individual basis. And still another abstract: I searched the medline for your using PHYSICIANS ON LINE software, from 1988 to present obtained the following: Remacle J, Houbion A, Alexandre I, Michiels C [Behavior of human endothelial cells in hyperoxia and hypoxia: effect of Ginkor Fort] Laboratoire de Biochimie Cellulaire, Facultes Universitaires N.D. de la Paix, Namur, Belgique. Phlebologie 1990 Apr-Jun;43(2):375-86 Article Number: UI91046351 ABSTRACT: Recent discoveries have shown that venous diseases have a multifactorial etiology. One of the factors which is definitely involved in this pathologic process is the change in the concentration of oxygen. An increase in the concentration of oxygen, hyperoxia, or reoxygenation following hypoxia, damages the tissues by stepping up the production of free radicals. In addition, a reduction in oxygen concentration, or hypoxia, is also damaging, probably through a reduction in ATP synthesis. From a therapeutic standpoint, the veins, and more particularly the endothelium, must be protected against the impact on the tissue of these
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes).
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available?? David Booth Via ENABEL – Communications & Information Network
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that I used to get it in spells along with backaches and colds. THe answer is Always simple (o.k. not really). When I act like a hypochondriac I take aspirin. The first signs of aspirin poisoning is Tinitus! so when I’m taking three (15 grains) I’m trading one complaint for another. If you have Any Tinitus stop using aspirin as it could be setting it off. Elliot Cutler
Sorry, I don’t take aspirin. There are several anti-biotics that have the same effect, but it is usually temporary then. No, mine is not from AB’s, I’m just adding to your "aspirin" list. 
Thomas
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that
I used to get it in spells along with backaches and colds. THe answer is Always simple (o.k. not really). When I act like a hypochondriac I take aspirin. The first signs of aspirin poisoning is Tinitus! so when I’m taking three (15 grains) I’m trading one complaint for another. If you have Any Tinitus stop using aspirin as it could be setting it off. Elliot Cutler
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Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable…. Have you tried putting your attention on the sound, taking a break from your thoughts, relaxing into the sound, and riding the waves of sound to sleep? — Have fun!
Sorry, the "sounds" I hear are far from relaxing. And the last thing I wish to to is concentrate on them, this seems to intensify their effect. There are no "waves" in my ears Fixating on it makes it seem as though my head is turning inside out or collapsing Thomas
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Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable….
Have you tried putting your attention on the sound, taking a break from your thoughts, relaxing into the sound, and riding the waves of sound to sleep? — Have fun!
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cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…". This is not the only cause. Tinnitus can also be caused by damage to the
In an attempt to save bandwidth and boredom, I didn’t include my complete hearing history. I should have said that *my* tinnitus is from loud noise. I’ve been to an EN&T and a hearing specialist. I have custom earplugs. I’ve played drums for 24 years (rock bands, high school band, drum corps), along with attending lots of concerts and loud clubs. The experts that I’ve sought out have just been able to recommend abstinence, as it were, to help ensure that things don’t get worse. Now, back to my orginal post: I’ve heard that ginkgo can have a positive affect on tinnitus. Is this true, and are there other remedies/therapies that anyone has tried? Thanks, Hal
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I would also be interested in learning about any possible remedies for tinnitus. I’ve got it in my left ear and have ruled out any tumors via an MRI.
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Intravenous glutamic acid diethyl ester relieves ringing. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrift 1992;142
Can you tell us a little bit more? I don’t want to go to the med school to look this up… Paul Edwards
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas One remedy I’ve had limited success with is Hydergine. A number of (yes, legitimate double-blind, Steve D) medical studies have documented its effect on tinnitus in about 40-50 percent of patients in doses of appx. 6 mg/day. Since the FDA-approved does is only 3 mg day, you have to do some juggling to get these quantities. What I often did was take 5 mg a day until the prescription ran out, then wait until the next opportunity to fill it. This on-off regimen worked fine. It does give a bit of a buzz, like caffeine, which I eventually found too annoying to contend with any more. My current strategy for tinnitus – the one recommended by Stanford Med School docs – is simply to stop paying attention to it. Like any stimulus which serves no purpose for the organism, if you don’t amplify it by paying attention to it it eventually diminishes or even ends. — Paul N. Edwards
Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable. Though you are correct. I have found by keeping busy [taking my mind off it] and keeping a fishtank in my room [to create a little backround noise that helps mask and also soothe the mind] works wonders. But there are times when it is terribly annoying and disconcerting – especially when you want a break from something, enter a "quiet" room and end up having your thoughts drowned out by the "ringing". Thomas
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cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…". This is not the only cause. Tinnitus can also be caused by damage to the ear from infection, by the effect a tumor has on the hearing nerve, and by a hearing nerve that has been traumatized or severed in the course of removing a tumor. I know about the last one of these, since I had a tumor removed from my right hearing and balance nerves two years ago. Just added information, to supplement what Hal wrote. — Ted Jardine Voice: 206 867 6280
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Intravenous glutamic acid diethyl ester relieves ringing. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrift 1992;142
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I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas
One remedy I’ve had limited success with is Hydergine. A number of (yes, legitimate double-blind, Steve D) medical studies have documented its effect on tinnitus in about 40-50 percent of patients in doses of appx. 6 mg/day. Since the FDA-approved does is only 3 mg day, you have to do some juggling to get these quantities. What I often did was take 5 mg a day until the prescription ran out, then wait until the next opportunity to fill it. This on-off regimen worked fine. Hydergine has POWERFUL potentiation effects on caffeine – it’ll give you a killer headache if you drink strong coffee along with it. No major side effects are known, and it is non-toxic. It does give a bit of a buzz, like caffeine, which I eventually found too annoying to contend with any more. My current strategy for tinnitus – the one recommended by Stanford Med School docs – is simply to stop paying attention to it. Like any stimulus which serves no purpose for the organism, if you don’t amplify it by paying attention to it it eventually diminishes or even ends. — Paul N. Edwards
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…
I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas
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Careful — do a little more reading about tinnitus before you start claiming that you know what its cause is. Tinnitus can be caused by a variety things, including tumors of the 8th (acoustic) nerve. It is true that ONE cause is excessive exposure to loud sounds, either over a period of time or after one instant. Another, much less serious cause is cerumen (wax) build up in the ear canal. In many cases, the cause of a person’s tinnitus is never determined. Nonetheless, if one experiences tinnitus over a sustained period of time, one should consult one’s health care provider to at least rule out sinister pathology, especially if the tinnitus occurs in only one ear. -Jane M. Opie, Ph.D., Certified Clinical Audiologist
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Somebody asked for some information on this subject. I too have a problem with this.In th ebook by Dr. Andrew Weiler, MD.called Spontaneous Healing he mentioned that some doctors in Germany do neck adjustments and prescribe yoga exeercises for their patients. Hla N.Tin.
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I have a mild case of Tinnitus in my left ear, aggravated by my taking Zoloft, an SSRI-type antidepressent. Has anyone tried ear-coning for tinnitus, with good result? I have been taking ginkgo for several months to try to remedy the ringing. but it doesn’t seem to help, though I have noticed some cognitive enhancement from it. Are there other substances OTC I can take for tinnitus? Thanks. –Will
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available??
Suggest you subscribe to the newsgroup alt.support.tinnitus. There’s an excellent FAQ covering Gingko etc. David Powner
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available?? David Booth Via ENABEL – Communications & Information Network
David: Gingko Biloba comes from one of the oldest trees in the world, some of these trees live a thousand years. The product is extracted from the roots of the tree. It works by increasing blood circulation, like to the small intricate parts of the ear. Also Valium and Xaanax work well for tinnitus. More info on Gingko: What drugs, vitamins, and herbs are available for treating tinnitus? * niacin Niacin supplements produce a temporary flushing effect that is supposed to pump more oxygen into the inner ear due to vasodilation. Take niacin on an empty stomach for best results. You may experience a flush ranging from a mild sunburn to wondering about spontaneous skin combustion. You may also experience a "dry mouth" sensation. MEGADOSES OF NIACIN CAN DESTROY YOUR LIVER AND KILL YOU. 50mg twice per day is a common dose for tinnitus. If you experience the flush, then you are getting the maximum benefit. Caution: niacin can provoke migraine headache attacks in some people. Some people report good results from niacin, other people gain nothing. Your mileage may vary. One contributor advocates taking niacin in combination with thiamine: The 1994 text on Myofascial Pain: Trigger Points said that Niacin without Thiamine will do no good for tinnitus. I don’t recall the reasoning. Nicotinic Acid (a form of Niacin) if taken in over 500mg per day should only be done so with Dr. approval. I take 100mg per day with a B-complex vitamin that already is balanced properly. You want roughly two parts niacinamide for each one part thiamine. Most vitamins will come balanced in this proportion. To my knowledge Nicotinic Acid in large doses like 2-5mg per day over a year or so, could lead to liver damage. Niacinamide shouldn’t have any negative effects nor should thiamine. But I suppose if someone swallows a bottle they’d have a side effect! There is no clinical proof for the effectiveness of niacin in treating tinnitus. This is inherently difficult to prove due to a possible "placebo effect" arising from the niacin flush sensation rather than any therapeutic value of the underlying vasodilation. Additionally, any vasodilation that occurs cannot benefit the cochlear hair cells, because the blood vessel (vas spralie) that feeds these cells cannot expand or contract. * lecithin The following anecdotal report advocates lecithin in combination with niacin [Ed. note: my nutrition book does not cover lecithin, so I cannot speculate as to toxicity and side-effects]: After reading the tinnitus faq I emailed to my father, he replied that he has helped a number of people cure their own tinnitus by using Niacin and Lecithin. His theory is that the lecithin, being an emulsifier, helps disperse the build up of fats in the capillaries, and the niacin helps dilate the capillaries to let the lecithin in. He had meier’s [sic - Meniere's ?] syndrome in the 70’s, and cured it this way. Our neighbor, a police officer, retired on disability for the same reason, and Dad practically cured him that way. I got tinnitus as a result of childhood ear infections, and it has done nothing for me, but then, mine is not what I would call irritating. It does seem that after chelation, the noise is less. CAUTION: Smart Drugs & Nutrients, Dean & Morgenthaler, 1991, Heath Freedom Publications, ISBN 0-9627418-9-2, says that phosphatidyl choline is the active ingredient of lecithin, and as a precursor of acetylcholine should be avoided by people who are manic-depressive because it can deepen the depressive phase. * gingko biloba Gingko biloba leaves have been used therapeutically by the Chinese for centuries for the treatment of asthma and bronchitis. In western countries a standardized 50:1 concentrate of 24% gingko flavoglycosides is used, either in liquid or capsule form. Gingko has been shown to increase circulation throughout the body and the brain. The article "Ginkgo biloba", The Lancet, Vol 340, Nov 7, 1992, pp. 1136-1139, examines numerous studies on the efficacy of ginkgo on intermittent claudication (pain while walking), and cerebral insufficiency, a wide collection of vascular impairment symptoms including tinnitus. Typical dosages range from 120-160mg per day, divided equally at meal time. Most studies showed that between 30-70% of subjects had reduced symptoms over a 6-12 week period. No serious side effects were observed, and any minor side effects were not statistically significant compared to subjects treated only with placebo. Other references on gingko biloba: As to tinnitus, Hobbs in reference (1) says: For example, in 1986 a study statistically proved the effectiveness of treatment with ginkgo extract for tinnitus: the ringing completely disappeared in 35% of the patients tested, with a distinct improvement in as little as 70 days!(2) Similarly, when 350 patients with hearing defects due to old age were treated with ginkgo extract, the success rate was 82%. Furthermore, a follow-up study of 137 of the original group of elderly patients 5 years later revealed that 67% still had better hearing(3). References 1.) Ginkgo Elixir of Youth; Christopher Hobbs; Botanica Press, Box 742, Capitola, CA 95010; 1991; pages 50-51 2.) Tinnitus-multicenter study. A multicentric study of the ear; Meyer, B.; 1980; Ann. Oto-Laryng. (Paris) 103:185-8 3.) Tebonin-therapy with old hard-of-hearing people. Koeppel, F. W.; 1980; Therapiewoche 30: 6443-46 Here’s an abstract of a recent paper in Audiology: Holgers KM; Axelsson A; Pringle I Ginkgo biloba extract for the treatment of tinnitus. Department of Audiology, Sahlgren’s Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden. Language: Eng Source: Audiology 1994 Mar-Apr;33(2):85-92 Unique Identifier: 94234927 Abstract: Previous studies have shown contradictory results of Ginkgo biloba extract (GBE) treatment of tinnitus. The present study was divided into two parts: first an open part, without placebo control (n = 80), followed by a double-blind placebo-controlled study (n = 20). The patients included in the open study were patients who had been referred to the Department of Audiology, Sahlgren’s Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden, due to persistent severe tinnitus. Patients reporting a positive effect on tinnitus in the open study were included in the double-blind placebo-controlled study (20 out of 21 patients participated). 7 patients preferred GBE to placebo, 7 placebo to GBE and 6 patients had no preference. Statistical group analysis gives no support to the hypothesis that GBE has any effect on tinnitus, although it is possible that GBE has an effect on some patients due to several reasons, e.g. the diverse etiology of tinnitus. Since there is no objective method to measure the symptom, the search for an effective drug can only be made on an individual basis. And still another abstract: I searched the medline for your using PHYSICIANS ON LINE software, from 1988 to present obtained the following: Remacle J, Houbion A, Alexandre I, Michiels C [Behavior of human endothelial cells in hyperoxia and hypoxia: effect of Ginkor Fort] Laboratoire de Biochimie Cellulaire, Facultes Universitaires N.D. de la Paix, Namur, Belgique. Phlebologie 1990 Apr-Jun;43(2):375-86 Article Number: UI91046351 ABSTRACT: Recent discoveries have shown that venous diseases have a multifactorial etiology. One of the factors which is definitely involved in this pathologic process is the change in the concentration of oxygen. An increase in the concentration of oxygen, hyperoxia, or reoxygenation following hypoxia, damages the tissues by stepping up the production of free radicals. In addition, a reduction in oxygen concentration, or hypoxia, is also damaging, probably through a reduction in ATP synthesis. From a therapeutic standpoint, the veins, and more particularly the endothelium, must be protected against the impact on the tissue of these
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes).
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I had tinnitus and was told I was just going to have to learn to live with it. A friend recommended Ginko Biloba about a year ago. after 6 weeks of taking the ginko 3 times a day there is silence in my ears once again — no more ringing. (I had tests to rule out other causes). I’m glad you have found some relief. As time goes on, my tinnitus has been raise another pitch each year for the past four years and it is getting quite annoying. Any releif would be welcome. What is Ginko Biloba and where is it available?? David Booth Via ENABEL – Communications & Information Network
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that I used to get it in spells along with backaches and colds. THe answer is Always simple (o.k. not really). When I act like a hypochondriac I take aspirin. The first signs of aspirin poisoning is Tinitus! so when I’m taking three (15 grains) I’m trading one complaint for another. If you have Any Tinitus stop using aspirin as it could be setting it off. Elliot Cutler
Sorry, I don’t take aspirin. There are several anti-biotics that have the same effect, but it is usually temporary then. No, mine is not from AB’s, I’m just adding to your "aspirin" list. Thomas
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that
I used to get it in spells along with backaches and colds. THe answer is Always simple (o.k. not really). When I act like a hypochondriac I take aspirin. The first signs of aspirin poisoning is Tinitus! so when I’m taking three (15 grains) I’m trading one complaint for another. If you have Any Tinitus stop using aspirin as it could be setting it off. Elliot Cutler
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Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable…. Have you tried putting your attention on the sound, taking a break from your thoughts, relaxing into the sound, and riding the waves of sound to sleep? — Have fun!
Sorry, the "sounds" I hear are far from relaxing. And the last thing I wish to to is concentrate on them, this seems to intensify their effect. There are no "waves" in my ears Fixating on it makes it seem as though my head is turning inside out or collapsing Thomas
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Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable….
Have you tried putting your attention on the sound, taking a break from your thoughts, relaxing into the sound, and riding the waves of sound to sleep? — Have fun!
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cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…". This is not the only cause. Tinnitus can also be caused by damage to the
In an attempt to save bandwidth and boredom, I didn’t include my complete hearing history. I should have said that *my* tinnitus is from loud noise. I’ve been to an EN&T and a hearing specialist. I have custom earplugs. I’ve played drums for 24 years (rock bands, high school band, drum corps), along with attending lots of concerts and loud clubs. The experts that I’ve sought out have just been able to recommend abstinence, as it were, to help ensure that things don’t get worse. Now, back to my orginal post: I’ve heard that ginkgo can have a positive affect on tinnitus. Is this true, and are there other remedies/therapies that anyone has tried? Thanks, Hal
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I would also be interested in learning about any possible remedies for tinnitus. I’ve got it in my left ear and have ruled out any tumors via an MRI.
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Intravenous glutamic acid diethyl ester relieves ringing. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrift 1992;142
Can you tell us a little bit more? I don’t want to go to the med school to look this up… Paul Edwards
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas One remedy I’ve had limited success with is Hydergine. A number of (yes, legitimate double-blind, Steve D) medical studies have documented its effect on tinnitus in about 40-50 percent of patients in doses of appx. 6 mg/day. Since the FDA-approved does is only 3 mg day, you have to do some juggling to get these quantities. What I often did was take 5 mg a day until the prescription ran out, then wait until the next opportunity to fill it. This on-off regimen worked fine. It does give a bit of a buzz, like caffeine, which I eventually found too annoying to contend with any more. My current strategy for tinnitus – the one recommended by Stanford Med School docs – is simply to stop paying attention to it. Like any stimulus which serves no purpose for the organism, if you don’t amplify it by paying attention to it it eventually diminishes or even ends. — Paul N. Edwards
Ahhh, but one has to put their head on a pillow at night… and then it becomes super noticable. Though you are correct. I have found by keeping busy [taking my mind off it] and keeping a fishtank in my room [to create a little backround noise that helps mask and also soothe the mind] works wonders. But there are times when it is terribly annoying and disconcerting – especially when you want a break from something, enter a "quiet" room and end up having your thoughts drowned out by the "ringing". Thomas
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cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…". This is not the only cause. Tinnitus can also be caused by damage to the ear from infection, by the effect a tumor has on the hearing nerve, and by a hearing nerve that has been traumatized or severed in the course of removing a tumor. I know about the last one of these, since I had a tumor removed from my right hearing and balance nerves two years ago. Just added information, to supplement what Hal wrote. — Ted Jardine Voice: 206 867 6280
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Intravenous glutamic acid diethyl ester relieves ringing. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrift 1992;142
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I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas
One remedy I’ve had limited success with is Hydergine. A number of (yes, legitimate double-blind, Steve D) medical studies have documented its effect on tinnitus in about 40-50 percent of patients in doses of appx. 6 mg/day. Since the FDA-approved does is only 3 mg day, you have to do some juggling to get these quantities. What I often did was take 5 mg a day until the prescription ran out, then wait until the next opportunity to fill it. This on-off regimen worked fine. Hydergine has POWERFUL potentiation effects on caffeine – it’ll give you a killer headache if you drink strong coffee along with it. No major side effects are known, and it is non-toxic. It does give a bit of a buzz, like caffeine, which I eventually found too annoying to contend with any more. My current strategy for tinnitus – the one recommended by Stanford Med School docs – is simply to stop paying attention to it. Like any stimulus which serves no purpose for the organism, if you don’t amplify it by paying attention to it it eventually diminishes or even ends. — Paul N. Edwards
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…
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I’ve heard that ginkgo can have some positive affects on this; do other remedies exist? BTW, the cause is from too much loud music/noise over too many years…
I to suffer from tinnitus. The cause of mine is not know. Have been through a pile of tests. I would also be interested in anything that might help out with this. There is more truth to the old saying "Silence is golden" than most realize – I haven’t heard [?] it in about 2+ years. Thomas
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Careful — do a little more reading about tinnitus before you start claiming that you know what its cause is. Tinnitus can be caused by a variety things, including tumors of the 8th (acoustic) nerve. It is true that ONE cause is excessive exposure to loud sounds, either over a period of time or after one instant. Another, much less serious cause is cerumen (wax) build up in the ear canal. In many cases, the cause of a person’s tinnitus is never determined. Nonetheless, if one experiences tinnitus over a sustained period of time, one should consult one’s health care provider to at least rule out sinister pathology, especially if the tinnitus occurs in only one ear. -Jane M. Opie, Ph.D., Certified Clinical Audiologist
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Somebody asked for some information on this subject. I too have a problem with this.In th ebook by Dr. Andrew Weiler, MD.called Spontaneous Healing he mentioned that some doctors in Germany do neck adjustments and prescribe yoga exeercises for their patients. Hla N.Tin.
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I have a mild case of Tinnitus in my left ear, aggravated by my taking Zoloft, an SSRI-type antidepressent. Has anyone tried ear-coning for tinnitus, with good result? I have been taking ginkgo for several months to try to remedy the ringing. but it doesn’t seem to help, though I have noticed some cognitive enhancement from it. Are there other substances OTC I can take for tinnitus? Thanks. –Will
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why would dr phelan be reluctant to try my on ritalin or similar? the drugs work really fast right? like within hours/days rather than weeks/months, so it would just be a very simple and quick trial to do. 