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Well I  went to doctor,  she was great really nice.  It took 2 hours for her to see me.  I have a bladder infection gave me Backtrum.  I go back in 3 weeks for diabetes test.  And she will give me a drug that will help lose weight. Advadia I think.  The diet pills have caffeine in them and I quite all caffeine.  Then I go back 4 weeks for all the women tests.  Oh goody. But atleast she is doing something. "Laura Lee" <dpatc…@longlines.com

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Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really against Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 he sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to him for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st doctor of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for the diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, I asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet. His reply was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not cause.  I was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But this Friday I see a new doc. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps for joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never been to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. Laura Lee

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> news:10qtno9q2lakf5a@corp.supernews.com… > : Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really > against > : Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 > he > : sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to > him > : for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st > doctor > : of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I > : would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test > : because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for > the > : diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. > : Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other > : things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, > I > : asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet.  His > reply > : was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not > cause. > I > : was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But > this > : Friday I see a new doc.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps > for > : joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never > been > : to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. > : > : > : Laura Lee > : > : > Well I’m glad you left the creep.  It is not your problem that he isn’t > making as much money as he’d like.  You’re trying to give him business.  I > had one like that.  He used to complain about how long it took to get > money > from Medicaid, how his rent and salaries were going up, ad infinitem.  It > always bothered me, since they aren’t supposed to be in it for the money, > but to do good.  Those kind need to be brought down a notch – and life > will > eventually take care of that for us. > I’m so happy for you that you’re going to have a female doctor.  Over the > years I have had several.  I don’t know if I have the right to generalize, > but in my experience, they have always been better at the nurturing side. > They listen better, with more eye contact and respond with kindness.  None > of them have given me the impression that they are to be worshipped from a > distance, as many male doctors have done with me.  I now prefer, and ask > for > female doctors whenever possible. > Let us know how it goes. > Rebecca

This was kind of weird for a while… My GP is named Kimberly, then my neurologist, then my next neurologist.  Now I have a male neuro.  He isnt close to being as pretty as they are, but oh well.  But three doctors named Kimberly?  The last one was a fierce bitch and I swear Stef and her nearly came to blows one time, but she was a damned good neurologist. In my experience generalizations just cant be made when comparing male to female physicians.  Each ones different.  Just like dogs.  Heh. But in a sexist world, such as ours, the males are stern, stoic, dramatic, etc., and the woman are called bitches.  Even by woman.  If I was a girl I think thats one of the things that would really piss me off. Rob

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Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really against Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 he sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to him for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st doctor of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for the diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, I asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet.  His reply was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not cause.  I was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But this Friday I see a new doc.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps for joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never been to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. Laura Lee

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news:10qtno9q2lakf5a@corp.supernews.com… : Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really against : Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 he : sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to him : for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st doctor : of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I : would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test : because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for the : diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. : Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other : things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, I : asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet.  His reply : was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not cause. I : was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But this : Friday I see a new doc.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps for : joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never been : to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. : : : Laura Lee : : Well I’m glad you left the creep.  It is not your problem that he isn’t making as much money as he’d like.  You’re trying to give him business.  I had one like that.  He used to complain about how long it took to get money from Medicaid, how his rent and salaries were going up, ad infinitem.  It always bothered me, since they aren’t supposed to be in it for the money, but to do good.  Those kind need to be brought down a notch – and life will eventually take care of that for us. I’m so happy for you that you’re going to have a female doctor.  Over the years I have had several.  I don’t know if I have the right to generalize, but in my experience, they have always been better at the nurturing side. They listen better, with more eye contact and respond with kindness.  None of them have given me the impression that they are to be worshipped from a distance, as many male doctors have done with me.  I now prefer, and ask for female doctors whenever possible. Let us know how it goes. Rebecca

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Note: I attempted to post this yesterday, but some stupid ‘beta’ version of this list on Google kept coming up!  Back to normal today…(the list, not me!) Interesting mention of the female doc.  My husband prefers female doctors to male because the female doctors seem to not jump to conclusions about his problems.  After he injured his neck and shoulder in a fall 10 years ago, all the male specialists said he would just have to live with it.  No drugs because they thought he wanted to be an addict (seriously!  He was told that!).  Years later, a pain specialist (female) prescribed Neurontin and Baclofen–neither are narcotic–for him and she is our savior.  Our female family doctor got him to take Zoloft when no one else could get him to look at anti-depressants.  His new female family doctor is a royal "B", because she tells him to quit smoking and makes him go get bloodwork done to monitor his drinking.  But the drinking and smoking have diminished considerably.  If a male doc would have told him those things, he would have gotten his lights punched out! Regarding gastric bypass surgery:   Gastric Bypass Surgery Gastric bypass surgery for the treatment of obesity is covered on a limited basis. According to the Medicare Coverage Manual: gastric bypass surgery, which is a variation of the gastro-jejunostomy, is performed for patients with extreme obesity. Gastric bypass surgery for extreme obesity is covered under the program if: it is medically appropriate for the individual to have such surgery. the surgery is to correct an illness, which caused the obesity or was aggravated by the obesity. http://www.obesehelp.net/insurance_gastric_bypass_surgery.htm The Medicare Coverage Manual defines obesity and the justification for certain treatment coverage by stating that: Obesity itself cannot be considered an illness. The immediate cause is a caloric intake, which is persistently higher than caloric output. Program payment may not be made for treatment of obesity alone since this treatment is not reasonable and necessary for the diagnosis or treatment of an illness or injury. However, although obesity is not in itself an illness, it may be caused by illnesses such as hypothyroidism, Cushing’s disease, and hypothalamic lesions. In addition, obesity can aggravate a number of cardiac and respiratory diseases as well as diabetes and hypertension. Therefore, services in connection with the treatment of obesity are covered when such services are an integral and necessary part of a course of treatment for one of those illnesses. I found it interesting that some insurances will consider the surgery medically necessary when it aggravates other conditions, (just like Medicare).  These conditions included obstructive sleep apnea.  I’ve looked into this for my father-in-law who has OSA but we haven’t pursued it.  It is a dangerous surgery, but for a man who is 5′3" and has a 54" waist, I would say the risk may be worth it.  Good luck with it and with your new doctor! Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Laura Lee" <dpatc…@longlines.com

wrote in message <news:10qtno9q2lakf5a@corp.supernews.com… Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really against Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 he sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to him for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st doctor of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for the diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, I asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet.  His reply was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not cause.  I was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But this Friday I see a new doc.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps for joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never been to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. Laura Lee

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> <news:hrOdnfrYuNMetizcRVn-iA@gbronline.com>… >> Ha, Ha, Ha, no sooner had I posted my responce to the other post and then >> I >> read the above.  LOL > I just read your post about Portland Int’l and after living in Eugene > (‘97-’00), I know what you mean!  You can walk forever in there…but > then to have to stand for an hour?  Not happening! >> > because she tells him to quit smoking and makes him go get bloodwork >> > done to monitor his drinking.  But the drinking and smoking have >> > diminished considerably.  If a male doc would have told him those >> > things, he would have gotten his lights punched out! >> Well, regardless of what he thinks, feels, or says, if he drinks more >> than 2 >> or 3 drinks a day hes an alcoholic and needs to quite drinking… for the >> rest of his life.  Let him call whomever whatever he likes.  An alcoholic >> is >> an alcoholic.  For life. > He’s probably the only one in his family of alcoholics who will admit > there is a problem and works on ‘portion control’ just like people who > eat too much.  The reason for the blood work was for past abuse to > check his liver and all. Yes, I know, alcoholics shouldn’t drink at > all.  But people with eating problems still have to eat.  There is a > strong connection between drinking and socializing and belonging > (which sucks but who said life was perfect). What was interesting to > me is that he drinks MUCH less after seeing how his family acts when > drinking.  I thought moving home would make his drinking worse but it > has really slowed him down.  No more fights, no more drinking and > driving, no more attitude about the drinking. >> The smokings not to good either.  What most people dont realize though is >> that obesity, even minor obesity, is more dangerous than either smoking >> or >> alcoholism.  Non-alcoholic drinkers, even binge drinkers, live longer >> than >> non-drinkers. > Teenagers aren’t too good for your health either.  He had quit for 15 > years until ours turned 15 and 16.  Now smokes on occasion up to a > half pack a week.  Again, portion control.  Keeps the drinking down. >> People who have gastric bypass have a lot of problems down the road due >> to >> it.  Some physicians and scientists speculate that its caused by >> malnutrition.  But truly, they just dont know yet.  Its not a cure for >> anything. > Considering Dad is 63 and 400 lbs., my guess is that anything that > affects him ‘down the road’ with this kind of surgery is could easily > be weighed against the quality of life that he could have now.  He is > stuck on oxygen and sleeping with a CPAP for Obstructive Sleep Apnea > (having over 100 episodes a night before). >> But a good diet is.  I porked up (reletively speaking, lol) and decided I >> wanted to lose some weight.  I found the absolute most simple thing to >> do. >> Portion control.  That alone is the answer. > And that is the problem.  We can’t get him to stop eating.  If he > fixes a plate that looks okay portion-wise, he will eat it, and then > go back and have a little more of this or that, 4 or 5 times.  All > while breathing hard and struggling to lug the weight across the floor > to where the food is (which is never on the table in front of him). > Who needs thirds of mashed potatoes topped with cheese sauce?  Ugh! >> I found that I could manage the hunger pangs even with a tiny bit of >> food. >> I recall that theyde done a study and they would give an empty bag of >> Fritos >> to dieters to put over their nose when they felt hungry before meals. >> They >> actually ate less afterwards.  Weird huh?  Why would the smell of Fritos >> cause that?  I figured I would keep an empty bag of Fritos around to >> inhale >> before meals… LOL. > Unfortunately, Dad loves Fritos.  He would eat the bag…less calories > than the Fritos at least.  Will stop at McDonald’s to eat on his way > to breakfast, or lunch. >> Emotional eating is a cursed disease from hell.  Honestly I dont think >> there >> IS a cure for that.  I think you just have to have the stomach stapled or >> get a GB.  If any psychiatrist or psychologist has found a REAL way of >> overcoming emotional eating theyre keeping that secret to themselves. > Amen.  Dad is an emotional eater because Mom is an emotional drinker. > I believe if you look up ‘toxic relationship’ you will find their > photos.  But they love each other–for 41 years. >> Im not even sure theyve found a way to validly determine the difference >> between emotional eating and eating because of discombobulated signals >> passing back and forth between the stomach and brain.  Im yammering >> again, >> help, someone stop me… > We do the same thing :-)  The possibilities and reasons are > mind-boggling.  We have looked at everything, but have gotten into > paralysis of analysis.   And we can’t do anything because they don’t > want to help themselves.  So we are in self-preservation mode. >> Rob > Well, that went totally off-topic but I do appreciate your ear.  Take > care! > Kelly

Ive got my older brother who is a geneticly determined alcoholic and he is in it good.  For the long haul I think.  Saddly.  Theres no help when the bar is their only source of social interaction.  They just cant find life in any other place or activities.  But I stopped preaching to him long ago.  He knows.  I just hope he manages to quit before it costs him his life. My dad is 6′4" and is a big man, just like my brother.  But now my dad is putting on the GUT in his retirement years.  We are NOT happy with his new girlfriend over this.  Not very caring if you ask me.  Im hoping my older sister will bitch-slap some sense into her and explain she is erasing years from my fathers life by cooperating in his weight gain.  Ive been seeing a lot of him lately, (no pun intended) and Ive never seen him this big.  It concerns me. Rob

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Hi Laura Lee,  I’m glad you like your new doctor and I’m glad to see you perked up.  Your post "barely hanging in there" was exactly how I was feeling and all I could do was cry.  My prayers and hugs were pouring out to you and as I read the replies, I’d just cry more.  The compassion in this group is pretty amazing.  The neuro that diagnosed me was a woman and she called me at work to drop the bomb.  Needless to say, I never went back.  I have been lucky with my doctors.  My second neuro is wonderful and I have been with my GP since I was 13. That was 35 years ago when he first started practicing.  I hope he doesn’t retire soon! "Laura Lee" <dpatc…@longlines.com

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> news:10qtno9q2lakf5a@corp.supernews.com… >> Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really >> against Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out >> of $1.00 he sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last >> Friday to him for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier >> by my 1st doctor of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical >> records so he said I would have to have the test again.  I also needed an >> acid reflex test because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First >> I asked him for the diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I >> can do it on my own. Asked about the other tests, he said that when I >> lose weight the other things will go away.  And finally the thing that >> sent me over the edge, I asked him If Medicare started to pay for the >> gastric bypass yet. His reply was no and why should the govt pay for >> something that they did not cause.  I was pissed.  I understand what he >> was saying but was very rude.  But this Friday I see a new doc. >> Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps for joy"  Okay so I can’t >> jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never been to a female doc >> before.  But at least away from other doc. >> Laura Lee

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wrote in message <news:hrOdnfrYuNMetizcRVn-iA@gbronline.com… Ha, Ha, Ha, no sooner had I posted my responce to the other post and then I read the above.  LOL

I just read your post about Portland Int’l and after living in Eugene (‘97-’00), I know what you mean!  You can walk forever in there…but then to have to stand for an hour?  Not happening!

because she tells him to quit smoking and makes him go get bloodwork done to monitor his drinking.  But the drinking and smoking have diminished considerably.  If a male doc would have told him those things, he would have gotten his lights punched out! Well, regardless of what he thinks, feels, or says, if he drinks more than 2 or 3 drinks a day hes an alcoholic and needs to quite drinking… for the rest of his life.  Let him call whomever whatever he likes.  An alcoholic is an alcoholic.  For life.

He’s probably the only one in his family of alcoholics who will admit there is a problem and works on ‘portion control’ just like people who eat too much.  The reason for the blood work was for past abuse to check his liver and all. Yes, I know, alcoholics shouldn’t drink at all.  But people with eating problems still have to eat.  There is a strong connection between drinking and socializing and belonging (which sucks but who said life was perfect). What was interesting to me is that he drinks MUCH less after seeing how his family acts when drinking.  I thought moving home would make his drinking worse but it has really slowed him down.  No more fights, no more drinking and driving, no more attitude about the drinking.

The smokings not to good either.  What most people dont realize though is that obesity, even minor obesity, is more dangerous than either smoking or alcoholism.  Non-alcoholic drinkers, even binge drinkers, live longer than non-drinkers.

Teenagers aren’t too good for your health either.  He had quit for 15 years until ours turned 15 and 16.  Now smokes on occasion up to a half pack a week.  Again, portion control.  Keeps the drinking down.

People who have gastric bypass have a lot of problems down the road due to it.  Some physicians and scientists speculate that its caused by malnutrition.  But truly, they just dont know yet.  Its not a cure for anything.

Considering Dad is 63 and 400 lbs., my guess is that anything that affects him ‘down the road’ with this kind of surgery is could easily be weighed against the quality of life that he could have now.  He is stuck on oxygen and sleeping with a CPAP for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (having over 100 episodes a night before).

But a good diet is.  I porked up (reletively speaking, lol) and decided I wanted to lose some weight.  I found the absolute most simple thing to do. Portion control.  That alone is the answer.

And that is the problem.  We can’t get him to stop eating.  If he fixes a plate that looks okay portion-wise, he will eat it, and then go back and have a little more of this or that, 4 or 5 times.  All while breathing hard and struggling to lug the weight across the floor to where the food is (which is never on the table in front of him). Who needs thirds of mashed potatoes topped with cheese sauce?  Ugh!

I found that I could manage the hunger pangs even with a tiny bit of food. I recall that theyde done a study and they would give an empty bag of Fritos to dieters to put over their nose when they felt hungry before meals.  They actually ate less afterwards.  Weird huh?  Why would the smell of Fritos cause that?  I figured I would keep an empty bag of Fritos around to inhale before meals… LOL.

Unfortunately, Dad loves Fritos.  He would eat the bag…less calories than the Fritos at least.  Will stop at McDonald’s to eat on his way to breakfast, or lunch.

Emotional eating is a cursed disease from hell.  Honestly I dont think there IS a cure for that.  I think you just have to have the stomach stapled or get a GB.  If any psychiatrist or psychologist has found a REAL way of overcoming emotional eating theyre keeping that secret to themselves.

Amen.  Dad is an emotional eater because Mom is an emotional drinker. I believe if you look up ‘toxic relationship’ you will find their photos.  But they love each other–for 41 years.

Im not even sure theyve found a way to validly determine the difference between emotional eating and eating because of discombobulated signals passing back and forth between the stomach and brain.  Im yammering again, help, someone stop me…

We do the same thing :-)  The possibilities and reasons are mind-boggling.  We have looked at everything, but have gotten into paralysis of analysis.   And we can’t do anything because they don’t want to help themselves.  So we are in self-preservation mode.

Rob

Well, that went totally off-topic but I do appreciate your ear.  Take care! Kelly

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Note: I attempted to post this yesterday, but some stupid ‘beta’ version of this list on Google kept coming up!  Back to normal today…(the list, not me!) Interesting mention of the female doc.  My husband prefers female doctors to male because the female doctors seem to not jump to conclusions about his problems.  After he injured his neck and shoulder in a fall 10 years ago, all the male specialists said he would just have to live with it.  No drugs because they thought he wanted to be an addict (seriously!  He was told that!).  Years later, a pain specialist (female) prescribed Neurontin and Baclofen–neither are narcotic–for him and she is our savior.  Our female family doctor got him to take Zoloft when no one else could get him to look at anti-depressants.  His new female family doctor is a royal "B",

Ha, Ha, Ha, no sooner had I posted my responce to the other post and then I read the above.  LOL

because she tells him to quit smoking and makes him go get bloodwork done to monitor his drinking.  But the drinking and smoking have diminished considerably.  If a male doc would have told him those things, he would have gotten his lights punched out!

Well, regardless of what he thinks, feels, or says, if he drinks more than 2 or 3 drinks a day hes an alcoholic and needs to quite drinking… for the rest of his life.  Let him call whomever whatever he likes.  An alcoholic is an alcoholic.  For life. The smokings not to good either.  What most people dont realize though is that obesity, even minor obesity, is more dangerous than either smoking or alcoholism.  Non-alcoholic drinkers, even binge drinkers, live longer than non-drinkers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Regarding gastric bypass surgery:  Gastric Bypass Surgery Gastric bypass surgery for the treatment of obesity is covered on a limited basis. According to the Medicare Coverage Manual: gastric bypass surgery, which is a variation of the gastro-jejunostomy, is performed for patients with extreme obesity. Gastric bypass surgery for extreme obesity is covered under the program if: it is medically appropriate for the individual to have such surgery. the surgery is to correct an illness, which caused the obesity or was aggravated by the obesity. http://www.obesehelp.net/insurance_gastric_bypass_surgery.htm The Medicare Coverage Manual defines obesity and the justification for certain treatment coverage by stating that: Obesity itself cannot be considered an illness. The immediate cause is a caloric intake, which is persistently higher than caloric output. Program payment may not be made for treatment of obesity alone since this treatment is not reasonable and necessary for the diagnosis or treatment of an illness or injury. However, although obesity is not in itself an illness, it may be caused by illnesses such as hypothyroidism, Cushing’s disease, and hypothalamic lesions. In addition, obesity can aggravate a number of cardiac and respiratory diseases as well as diabetes and hypertension. Therefore, services in connection with the treatment of obesity are covered when such services are an integral and necessary part of a course of treatment for one of those illnesses. I found it interesting that some insurances will consider the surgery medically necessary when it aggravates other conditions, (just like Medicare).  These conditions included obstructive sleep apnea.  I’ve looked into this for my father-in-law who has OSA but we haven’t pursued it.  It is a dangerous surgery, but for a man who is 5′3" and has a 54" waist, I would say the risk may be worth it.  Good luck with it and with your new doctor! Kelly

People who have gastric bypass have a lot of problems down the road due to it.  Some physicians and scientists speculate that its caused by malnutrition.  But truly, they just dont know yet.  Its not a cure for anything. But a good diet is.  I porked up (reletively speaking, lol) and decided I wanted to lose some weight.  I found the absolute most simple thing to do. Portion control.  That alone is the answer. I found that I could manage the hunger pangs even with a tiny bit of food. I recall that theyde done a study and they would give an empty bag of Fritos to dieters to put over their nose when they felt hungry before meals.  They actually ate less afterwards.  Weird huh?  Why would the smell of Fritos cause that?  I figured I would keep an empty bag of Fritos around to inhale before meals… LOL. Emotional eating is a cursed disease from hell.  Honestly I dont think there IS a cure for that.  I think you just have to have the stomach stapled or get a GB.  If any psychiatrist or psychologist has found a REAL way of overcoming emotional eating theyre keeping that secret to themselves. Im not even sure theyve found a way to validly determine the difference between emotional eating and eating because of discombobulated signals passing back and forth between the stomach and brain.  Im yammering again, help, someone stop me… Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Laura Lee" <dpatc…@longlines.com

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> <news:10qtno9q2lakf5a@corp.supernews.com>… >> Well I finally decided to switch my general doctor.  He was really >> against >> Medicare user, but took Medicare.  One time he told me that out of $1.00 >> he >> sees $.74. Finally, what made me finally break is I went last Friday to >> him >> for an Asthma test which I have been dx with back earlier by my 1st >> doctor >> of 20+ years.  But could not find it in my medical records so he said I >> would have to have the test again.  I also needed an acid reflex test >> because of major heart burn, and also diet pills. First I asked him for >> the >> diet pills"Wrong Thing To Ask" for.  He said no.  I can do it on my own. >> Asked about the other tests, he said that when I lose weight the other >> things will go away.  And finally the thing that sent me over the edge, I >> asked him If Medicare started to pay for the gastric bypass yet.  His >> reply >> was no and why should the govt pay for something that they did not cause. >> I >> was pissed.  I understand what he was saying but was very rude.  But this >> Friday I see a new doc.  Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee "Laura jumps >> for >> joy"  Okay so I can’t jump.  But happy.  The doctor is female.  Never >> been >> to a female doc before.  But at least away from other doc. >> Laura Lee

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Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  … Thanks again, Teri

Hi Teri, If you have not already done so, you might have them check his nasal passageways, too.  If he is having trouble breathing through his nose, he probably would breath through his mouth as if he were panting. Please be sure to let us know the results of the tests. Annie

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Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

I second the suggestion about looking at throat/airway. My cat, though not panting, had intermittent noisy breathing. This evolved into a crisis where she was hopitalized with oxygen due to noisy & labored breathing. Since she has hypertension & left ventricular hypertrophy, everyone first suspected her heart and/or fluid in the lungs. X-Ray & echocardiagram showed everything was clear. She was referred to a surgery group that does endoscopy. She was sedated, and they scoped her pharynx, larynx, and esophagus. They were expecting to find polyps or a tumor. What they instead found was laryngeal paralysis, which is very rare in cats. It is so rare that they kept her hospitalized for 2 days, then scoped again to confirm the diagnosis. She had surgery, where they tie back one of the arytenoids (flaps that open/close the larynx), to prevent breathing problems. This was 10 days ago, and she is recovering quite well, and no more breathing problems. (And she is 18 and has early-stage renal failure in addition to her other problems!). Only long term effect is that she has lost her voice. So an endoscopy may be the next thing to try, to look for growths or larynx problems. Nancy

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that — I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??) but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.  Sorry, that’s probably all too vague to help at all.  All I really wanted to say was:  I sure hope Seamus is ok! Anna

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that —

You could be right… Many vets rather experiment with different drugs than perform the proper tests to try to get a difinitive diagnosis or rule out right from the start.  That’s called the "TT  & TD" technique with the "W.A.S." follow up.  ("Try this & try that" and "wait and see"). I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??)

Maybe she’s just unfamiliar with the TTAB and hasn’t performed enough of them to feel confident… but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.

I think you’re right. Phil.

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I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he?

Thanks, me too!   I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test.

Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things.   He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement.   So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? Thanks, me too! I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things. He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement. So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Poor guy. Keep us posted. Karen

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… What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

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I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. ood luck to Seamus and to you.

Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  I have noticed that he swallows pretty frequently, his breath smells and he has not been "talking" hardly at all for the past week.  Now after work today he is acting better, chasing the sister and just looking better in general, and he is talking more, but he doesn’t sound quite right.  Sort of hoarse, sort of strange.  But I had called he Dr. from work today to see if they have any of his lab work back, and I also asked if they do laryngoscopies/ bronchoscopies in their office because I think he needs to be checked there.  They do do that, so when the Dr. calls me back tonight I will discuss it further with her. Lasering an airway is always hairy, but we do what we have to do. I will see if I can find anything out about that type of problem. Thanks again, Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey".

I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

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You know…these are almost all symptoms of hypoglycemia in a person…. Either reactive or fasting… Peace, Penelope

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri

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We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between:   Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri            

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"

Teri, If your vets suspects asthma, speak to him/her vet about a trans-tracheal aspiration biopsy (TTAB) .  Its not really a "biopsy" because no cutting is involved – unless the catheter is placed into the trachea through the skin. Otherwise, a catheter is placed down a tracheal tube into the trachea and down into the lungs.  Then, a little bit of saline solution is flushed into the lungs through the catheter and suctioned right back into the syringe for cytologic analysis and culture.  A TTAB could tell you a lot about the respiratory system. He could be allergic to something — perfume, cleaning powders or solutions, rug shampoos or powers, floor cleaner/wax (inhalation or ingestion from paws), dust or dust mites, smoke – cigar, pipes, cigarettes… So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible.

That’s a very *smart* play! Good luck. Phil.

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Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  … Thanks again, Teri

Hi Teri, If you have not already done so, you might have them check his nasal passageways, too.  If he is having trouble breathing through his nose, he probably would breath through his mouth as if he were panting. Please be sure to let us know the results of the tests. Annie

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Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

I second the suggestion about looking at throat/airway. My cat, though not panting, had intermittent noisy breathing. This evolved into a crisis where she was hopitalized with oxygen due to noisy & labored breathing. Since she has hypertension & left ventricular hypertrophy, everyone first suspected her heart and/or fluid in the lungs. X-Ray & echocardiagram showed everything was clear. She was referred to a surgery group that does endoscopy. She was sedated, and they scoped her pharynx, larynx, and esophagus. They were expecting to find polyps or a tumor. What they instead found was laryngeal paralysis, which is very rare in cats. It is so rare that they kept her hospitalized for 2 days, then scoped again to confirm the diagnosis. She had surgery, where they tie back one of the arytenoids (flaps that open/close the larynx), to prevent breathing problems. This was 10 days ago, and she is recovering quite well, and no more breathing problems. (And she is 18 and has early-stage renal failure in addition to her other problems!). Only long term effect is that she has lost her voice. So an endoscopy may be the next thing to try, to look for growths or larynx problems. Nancy

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that — I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??) but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.  Sorry, that’s probably all too vague to help at all.  All I really wanted to say was:  I sure hope Seamus is ok! Anna

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that —

You could be right… Many vets rather experiment with different drugs than perform the proper tests to try to get a difinitive diagnosis or rule out right from the start.  That’s called the "TT  & TD" technique with the "W.A.S." follow up.  ("Try this & try that" and "wait and see"). I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??)

Maybe she’s just unfamiliar with the TTAB and hasn’t performed enough of them to feel confident… but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.

I think you’re right. Phil.

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I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he?

Thanks, me too!   I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test.

Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things.   He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement.   So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? Thanks, me too! I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things. He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement. So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Poor guy. Keep us posted. Karen

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… What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

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I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. ood luck to Seamus and to you.

Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  I have noticed that he swallows pretty frequently, his breath smells and he has not been "talking" hardly at all for the past week.  Now after work today he is acting better, chasing the sister and just looking better in general, and he is talking more, but he doesn’t sound quite right.  Sort of hoarse, sort of strange.  But I had called he Dr. from work today to see if they have any of his lab work back, and I also asked if they do laryngoscopies/ bronchoscopies in their office because I think he needs to be checked there.  They do do that, so when the Dr. calls me back tonight I will discuss it further with her. Lasering an airway is always hairy, but we do what we have to do. I will see if I can find anything out about that type of problem. Thanks again, Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey".

I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

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You know…these are almost all symptoms of hypoglycemia in a person…. Either reactive or fasting… Peace, Penelope

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri

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We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between:   Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri            

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"

Teri, If your vets suspects asthma, speak to him/her vet about a trans-tracheal aspiration biopsy (TTAB) .  Its not really a "biopsy" because no cutting is involved – unless the catheter is placed into the trachea through the skin. Otherwise, a catheter is placed down a tracheal tube into the trachea and down into the lungs.  Then, a little bit of saline solution is flushed into the lungs through the catheter and suctioned right back into the syringe for cytologic analysis and culture.  A TTAB could tell you a lot about the respiratory system. He could be allergic to something — perfume, cleaning powders or solutions, rug shampoos or powers, floor cleaner/wax (inhalation or ingestion from paws), dust or dust mites, smoke – cigar, pipes, cigarettes… So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible.

That’s a very *smart* play! Good luck. Phil.

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Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  … Thanks again, Teri

Hi Teri, If you have not already done so, you might have them check his nasal passageways, too.  If he is having trouble breathing through his nose, he probably would breath through his mouth as if he were panting. Please be sure to let us know the results of the tests. Annie

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Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

I second the suggestion about looking at throat/airway. My cat, though not panting, had intermittent noisy breathing. This evolved into a crisis where she was hopitalized with oxygen due to noisy & labored breathing. Since she has hypertension & left ventricular hypertrophy, everyone first suspected her heart and/or fluid in the lungs. X-Ray & echocardiagram showed everything was clear. She was referred to a surgery group that does endoscopy. She was sedated, and they scoped her pharynx, larynx, and esophagus. They were expecting to find polyps or a tumor. What they instead found was laryngeal paralysis, which is very rare in cats. It is so rare that they kept her hospitalized for 2 days, then scoped again to confirm the diagnosis. She had surgery, where they tie back one of the arytenoids (flaps that open/close the larynx), to prevent breathing problems. This was 10 days ago, and she is recovering quite well, and no more breathing problems. (And she is 18 and has early-stage renal failure in addition to her other problems!). Only long term effect is that she has lost her voice. So an endoscopy may be the next thing to try, to look for growths or larynx problems. Nancy

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that — I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??) but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.  Sorry, that’s probably all too vague to help at all.  All I really wanted to say was:  I sure hope Seamus is ok! Anna

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Teri, I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. I could be all wrong about that —

You could be right… Many vets rather experiment with different drugs than perform the proper tests to try to get a difinitive diagnosis or rule out right from the start.  That’s called the "TT  & TD" technique with the "W.A.S." follow up.  ("Try this & try that" and "wait and see"). I was so emotionally drained by the time we had that conversation.  I think I remember her saying that the test (whichever she was taking about) carried some risk (maybe just b/c of anesthetic??)

Maybe she’s just unfamiliar with the TTAB and hasn’t performed enough of them to feel confident… but I also thought I remember hearing something about a test that was more effective with dogs than cats. Boy, I could be way off on that.

I think you’re right. Phil.

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I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he?

Thanks, me too!   I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test.

Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things.   He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement.   So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m so glad Seamus’ heart is ok! Poor baby, missing some fur now isn’t he? Thanks, me too! I just don’t know about the other symptoms. I read Phil’s post about the asthma test. I vaguely recall when we got to the "just watch him" phase with Razzle (after his echo was ok), that the vet said is she suspected asthma she would probably try the meds to see if there was improvement rather than do the test. Today he just got done with a Hepatic Profile, and a Bile Acids Pre and Post test.  This will check his liver function since the enzymes and cholesterol were up last week, maybe there is something going on there that would explain things. He is starting to be more active, not falling asleep at the drop of a hat.  Still not himself, but looking better and I will take any improvement. So if these tests would come back normal, then I think the Dr. would want the tracheal washing, but I am of the mind of "try the meds and see if he improves" with the panting.  I did just see him open mouthed breathing while walking thru the living room though. I will let you know. Thank you for your thoughts. Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey". I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Poor guy. Keep us posted. Karen

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… What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

Teri, I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. Good luck to Seamus and to you. Annie

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I just found time to read my July issue of Catnip (Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine) magazine.  It has an article on laser surgery for cats. One of the examples was of a cat that suffered progressive breathing difficulties, stopped eating and lost weight. I turned out that the problem was that the larynx was thickened and firm and was cutting off the airway.  The vet opened the cat’s airway with laser surgery. Anyway, has anyone taken a good look at Seamus’ throat and airway? If you want to read the article and can’t get a copy, email me privately an I will make a copy and mail it to you. ood luck to Seamus and to you.

Hey Annie, thanks.  It is very strange that you would mention that. Today I was starting to put a few more of his symptoms together and am starting to get very concerned about a mass in the airway or something like that.  I have noticed that he swallows pretty frequently, his breath smells and he has not been "talking" hardly at all for the past week.  Now after work today he is acting better, chasing the sister and just looking better in general, and he is talking more, but he doesn’t sound quite right.  Sort of hoarse, sort of strange.  But I had called he Dr. from work today to see if they have any of his lab work back, and I also asked if they do laryngoscopies/ bronchoscopies in their office because I think he needs to be checked there.  They do do that, so when the Dr. calls me back tonight I will discuss it further with her. Lasering an airway is always hairy, but we do what we have to do. I will see if I can find anything out about that type of problem. Thanks again, Teri

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Teri, have his teeth been checked? I just kind of wondered if sitting with his mouth open, you are positive he is panting? It’s just that my cats, will sit with their mouths slightly open sometimes when they are quite "dozey".

I think it was the cardiology resident who said he had "nice clean teeth". What he did today was not actually a pant, but his mouth was open about an inch, which is pretty wide for a cat, while he was walking across the room.  Other times it has been an actual dog-like pant, tongue moving and all.  At times it was almost a gasping sound, but those have not been for a week since he has greatly reduced his activity level. teri

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You know…these are almost all symptoms of hypoglycemia in a person…. Either reactive or fasting… Peace, Penelope

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri

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We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between:   Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"                2 diffent dr. views of the same x-ray. Bad breath Great appetite No change in bowel or bladder Recent labs – cholesterol 254 (normal 90-150)                       SGOT/AST 41 (normal 8-35)                       SGPT/ALT  91 (normal 10-80) We have another liver profile scheduled for tuesday. So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible. Thanks, Teri            

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just go back from seeing the cardiologist at UPenn.  According to her, and the cardiac ultrasound, Seamus’ heart is Normal  :-). So my biggest worry of heartworms seems to be taken care of (of course she did say that if one was in the pulmonary artery it would not be seen) and she does not think he has one anyway). But…. he still has the symptoms that have to be addressed. Anyone know any connection between: Increased respirations while awake    mostly normal while sleeping quietly Panting with exertion Increased weakness (slowly stepping up the stairs, measuring leaps very carefully…) Increased sleepyness (he is showing interest in most things that are normal for him, but he falls asleep *very* frequently – and yes, much more frequently than cats usually do.) CXR normal vs. "some changes that may be consistant with asthma"

Teri, If your vets suspects asthma, speak to him/her vet about a trans-tracheal aspiration biopsy (TTAB) .  Its not really a "biopsy" because no cutting is involved – unless the catheter is placed into the trachea through the skin. Otherwise, a catheter is placed down a tracheal tube into the trachea and down into the lungs.  Then, a little bit of saline solution is flushed into the lungs through the catheter and suctioned right back into the syringe for cytologic analysis and culture.  A TTAB could tell you a lot about the respiratory system. He could be allergic to something — perfume, cleaning powders or solutions, rug shampoos or powers, floor cleaner/wax (inhalation or ingestion from paws), dust or dust mites, smoke – cigar, pipes, cigarettes… So I am not looking here for help instead of taking him to the vet, just trying to hedge my bets on getting ideas of a diagnosis by asking as many people as possible.

That’s a very *smart* play! Good luck. Phil.

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PCP Insight…..Long

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Donna How can any of us tell you what to do with reference to this. What if we said switch and you did the wrong thing, then it would be on our consciences as to what we did. You have to think long and hard and perhaps call your endo and find out if he would be comfortable as your PCP. Maybe he is not familiar with other conditions that have nothing to do with glands.  I would speak tohim before I made a decision like that. Loretta Say what you mean and mean what you say

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 Interesting… I wonder if it has to do with the insurance plan you use?  My PCP and Endo work in the same clinic but my endo also works at the Joslin Center, and I see both of them regularly. I see no reason for not having both, unless your insurance wants your PCP to keep costs down… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I’m one of the newbies who delurked a couple of months ago and who has contributed some information….I’ve been a wee bit busy lately and am now catching up and I have a "problem" that I’d like some comments on. In April I was diagnosed with T2.  I had to badger my PCP into giving me a prescription for a meter.  Then I had to badger him into giving me a referral to the Diabetes Education Center.  Then, after reading all the information here about how it is essential to have an endo involved in my care, I had to badger my PCP into that referral.  As you can see, my PCP was not very cooperative where my diabetes was concerned (nor other matters). He diagnosed me with asthma without even testing and it was right after my second dose of antibiotics for bronchitis was just ending and I was still hacking up lovely stuff.  I thought he was wrong. Well, on 10/15 at home I experienced a flash of white in my eye which lasted only a couple of seconds.  I saw my PCP on 10/16 for that and for sinusitis. I told him about the white light in my eye and said I did not know what caused it.  His response, "neither do I".  Ok, I thought, he’ll tell me who I need to see about it.  Guess what?  He prescribed some antibiotics (which do not normally work on my sinusitis but he insisted I take) for my sinusitis and said nothing about the white light problem.  I was so upset at that and with all the hassles I had with this doctor, that I switched to my friend’s PCP the next day.  My first visit with this PCP was three days ago. I went over my whole history with Dr. V including my concerns about the asthma and white light in my eye.  I went over my BG log with her.  She will be setting up an asthma test as soon as I’m feeling better (lingering sinusitis/bronchitis).  She feels that the white light has something to do with my eye.  I will be seeing an ophthalmologist in December.   This PCP seems very knowledgeable and is very pleasant. However, I was a little uncomfortable with something she said.  After looking over my BG log, she said my BGs were great.  She said that she feels that I’ll be able to get off the medication (Glucophage 500mg 2x a day) after I lose more weight, and that she feels that I won’t need an endo and that she can provide me with all my medical care…..  She said this after I had told her about my badgering my previous PCP for all the things mentioned above and that I had read in various publications and newsgroups about how essential it is to have a "team" of physicians supporting/helping me with diabetes.    That made me very uneasy. I then did some research with my insurance group and found out that I can have my endo (whom I feel very comfortable with) as my PCP.  Should I switch PCP to my endo now?  Should I wait for a while?  Please let me know what you think. Thank you. Donna T2; 4/27/00; Glucophage 500mg 2x —  Be careful what you say to strangers….    You never know when you’re       Talking with an Angel

–  T2 – Glucophage, diet, and exercise – March ‘98  Born ‘47  Another Soggy Seattle Sysop!  ICQ #75977612

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I then did some research with my insurance group and found out that I can have my endo (whom I feel very comfortable with) as my PCP.  Should I switch PCP to my endo now?  Should I wait for a while?  Please let me know what you think.

If there isn’t a limit on how many times you change PCPs in a year (or if that limit is at least 4), then why not do it? I don’t know how things like your sinusitis etc would be handled though.  Might ask your endo if she’d be available for that kind of care too. — dx as Type 1 in Mar 00, H & L MDI "I’d rather be loved by only me,     than create a facade and be loved by no one." — wombn "Never give up", Winston Churchill www.mindspring.com/~wombn On ANY "advice" I give here: I expect you to research it and confirm it independently

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I then did some research with my insurance group and found out that I can have my endo (whom I feel very comfortable with) as my PCP.  Should I switch PCP to my endo now?  Should I wait for a while?  Please let me know what you think. Thank you. Donna T2; 4/27/00; Glucophage 500mg 2x

That’s what I love about my insurance, I don’t need a referral to see any specialist and I can use my endo as my PCP.  Since he has a dietitian/diabetes educator, a Nurse practioner/diabetes educator, and a RN Diabetes educator/pump trainer(qualified on all three pump manufacturers) I get everything I need in one place.  I don’t have to see the endo for things like the flu or bronchitis, I just see the nurse practioner who can write any scripts for needed meds and minor adjustments to my pump/diet regimen. If anything is in doubt, whom ever I am seeing will confer with the endo who always stops in to see me, if for nothing else just to say hi.  For me it makes things so much easier than seeing one doc for my diabetes, one for the flu(which effects the diabetes), yadayada…. Even if the diabetes is the cause of any change in my vision I always see the ophthalmologist as well as the endo. If your insurance allows you access to better care, why even think twice about getting it?  Does your endo have the ability or the available staff to see you whenever you need to for things like the bronchitis/sinusitis, common cold? Feeling comfortable with and respected by "my" medical staff is very important to me.  If I don’t feel like I am being listened to and given good care I’ll do it myself like have in the past until I can find someone I like.  Thankfully I’ve got a good team and the freedom to make my own choices, not what some HMO wants me to do in order to save them money. Derek

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Hi everyone, I’m one of the newbies who delurked a couple of months ago and who has contributed some information….I’ve been a wee bit busy lately and am now catching up and I have a "problem" that I’d like some comments on. In April I was diagnosed with T2.  I had to badger my PCP into giving me a prescription for a meter.  Then I had to badger him into giving me a referral to the Diabetes Education Center.  Then, after reading all the information here about how it is essential to have an endo involved in my care, I had to badger my PCP into that referral.  As you can see, my PCP was not very cooperative where my diabetes was concerned (nor other matters). He diagnosed me with asthma without even testing and it was right after my second dose of antibiotics for bronchitis was just ending and I was still hacking up lovely stuff.  I thought he was wrong. Well, on 10/15 at home I experienced a flash of white in my eye which lasted only a couple of seconds.  I saw my PCP on 10/16 for that and for sinusitis. I told him about the white light in my eye and said I did not know what caused it.  His response, "neither do I".  Ok, I thought, he’ll tell me who I need to see about it.  Guess what?  He prescribed some antibiotics (which do not normally work on my sinusitis but he insisted I take) for my sinusitis and said nothing about the white light problem.  I was so upset at that and with all the hassles I had with this doctor, that I switched to my friend’s PCP the next day.  My first visit with this PCP was three days ago. I went over my whole history with Dr. V including my concerns about the asthma and white light in my eye.  I went over my BG log with her.  She will be setting up an asthma test as soon as I’m feeling better (lingering sinusitis/bronchitis).  She feels that the white light has something to do with my eye.  I will be seeing an ophthalmologist in December.   This PCP seems very knowledgeable and is very pleasant. However, I was a little uncomfortable with something she said.  After looking over my BG log, she said my BGs were great.  She said that she feels that I’ll be able to get off the medication (Glucophage 500mg 2x a day) after I lose more weight, and that she feels that I won’t need an endo and that she can provide me with all my medical care…..  She said this after I had told her about my badgering my previous PCP for all the things mentioned above and that I had read in various publications and newsgroups about how essential it is to have a "team" of physicians supporting/helping me with diabetes.    That made me very uneasy. I then did some research with my insurance group and found out that I can have my endo (whom I feel very comfortable with) as my PCP.  Should I switch PCP to my endo now?  Should I wait for a while?  Please let me know what you think. Thank you. Donna T2; 4/27/00; Glucophage 500mg 2x —   Be careful what you say to strangers….     You never know when you’re        Talking with an Angel

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Do I have a sleep disorder?

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thanks for the replies. One thing I did forget to mention is about 2 months I went to the doctor after having pain in my left eye. He did a tear test and was surprised that I produced hardly any tears, he said normally tears stream out, mine showed almost no sign. Could I be suffering from dry eye? as I read that this can make your eyes feel sore and tired. I say this because I never actually fall asleep during the day, I just feel tired as it goes on. Paul

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Let me know if you ever make it to IL.  I normally listen to jazz, blues and rock&roll, but I might make an exception. BigAl db-g…@bigfoot.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -kcd wrote:

hi sleep folk, just another announcement that i’ll be on tour in TX, LA, FL, GA, SC in jan. and feb. and in MA, RI, CT and NY in late march, playing "madama butterfly" with the touring company of new york city opera.  please let me know if you’d like to come.  i’d like to meet some folks from this very good ng. kcd — I think it’s going to be a long time until American society accepts fat people.  Dieting has been elevated into a religion, a new religion, and only the thin are "good" and saved.  The new messiah is any weight-loss expert.   And if you couple religious fervor and righteousness with desire and pressure [to lose weight], you have a recipe for dismissive posturing.                                       – C. K. Grinnell

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HI, I`m a 25 yr old male and I seem to feel constantly tired. It started about a year ago, waking up one day I just felt tired and lethargic and continued all week. Then it disappeared for a few days and then might return for a day and then fine the next. I would be getting like 9-12 hours sleep a night and waking up for work and feeling like going back to bed after a few hours. This has gone on ever since. Since then I`ve moved area and also to a different job, but I still have the same problems. I thought it might be excessive computer work , but I`ve taken holidays, weeks off and not looked at a monitor for a few weeks but still get the tiredness. I`ve also recently started using glasses for slight short-sightedness to see if that cures it, and although it does help for driving its still not the solution. I also look tired most of the time, i have puffy, red eyelids and usually bloodshot, sore eyes and they look dull instead of bright and clear like they use to look. I also have dark patches around them, near my nose that seem to have appeared in the last year. My lifestyle has pretty much stayed the same since I was 18, I do sport 2 or 3 times a week, I take A-Z multivitamins usually daily, eat a fruit maybe once a day , I drink about 40+ units of alcohol a week (which i`ve heard is a safe limit), and drink about 1 litre of water a day and I don`t smoke. My social/work life is stressfree and dont feel generally depressed with life, it also doesnt matter what time of year its still the same. As an idea of my sleep patterns, I dont drink any caffeine after about 7pm, I usually goto sleep around 11pm-12am and I`m usually asleep within 30mins. I usually awake once during the night and turn over and i`m back asleep again . If I dont set an alarm I usually sleep to about 10.30am, sometimes later. But I could sleep for 12 hours and still feel tired throughout the next day. Hope this is enough information. thanks in advance for any help. Paul

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wrote: HI, I`m a 25 yr old male and I seem to feel constantly tired. It started about a year ago, waking up one day I just felt tired and lethargic and continued all week. Then it disappeared for a few days and then might return for a day and then

If you have problems with staying awake during the day, and you are following reasonable sleep hygiene, you have a sleep disorder.  That’s pretty much the definition.  The problems you describe could be due to a number of different problems, and possibly a combination of more than one sleep disorder.

I drink about 40+ units of alcohol a week

Stop drinking alcohol completely for at least a month — it won’t hurt, and it might fix the problem completely.  Alcohol is known to cause serious sleep disorders, even in fairly small amounts.  BTW, if that fixes the problem, you probably have Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA).  If you can’t forgo the booze long enough to check whether that helps, check into an alcohol re-hab program, because you have yet another problem.

and drink about 1 litre of water a day

Double that.  It probably won’t help your sleep problems, but 1 liter isn’t enough for optimum health.  Drink at least a liter before lunch (but not all at once).

I dont drink any caffeine after about 7pm

Avoid caffeine completely until you see a sleep specialist.  That includes most colas, chocolate, teas, and even some non-cola soda pops and candies.  Zip, Nada, None, Zero.  You may be more sensitive to caffeine than you realize, and you may be getting it from sources that you aren’t aware of. SEE A SLEEP SPECIALIST A.S.A.P.  Preferably before your sleep problems kill you, or cause you to injure or kill someone else.  Untreated sleep disorders are life-threatening in more ways than one. DO NOT TAKE OVER-THE-COUNTER SLEEPING MEDICATION OF ANY KIND.  If you have the disorder known as Sleep Apnea (which THE most common sleep disorder), sleeping pills will make it worse, and can kill you.  Alcohol, even in small amounts, will make it worse. If you have to, get a referral from you primary doctory.  CAUTION: DO NOT accept any abuse from a GP; what they don’t know about sleep disorders can kill you, and in general, a GP knows less than nothing about sleep disorders (i.e., what he thinks he knows is dangerously wrong).  INSIST on a referral to a sleep specialist.  In particular, if a GP wants to prescribe sleeping pills OF ANY KIND before getting a sleep study, FIRE HIM for incompetence (you will have grounds for a malpractice suit — or your widow will, assuming you were married), and complain in writing to your insurance company.  Fortunately, as the medical profession is being embarrassed into learning about sleep disorders, more GP’s are getting clued in.

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al— i LOVE jazz too.  the tour will indeed be in IL, decatur i believe. let me know if you want more specifics.  i won’t be on it at that point though—i’m taking a month off. kcd — I think it’s going to be a long time until American society accepts fat people.  Dieting has been elevated into a religion, a new religion, and only the thin are "good" and saved.  The new messiah is any weight-loss expert.   And if you couple religious fervor and righteousness with desire and pressure [to lose weight], you have a recipe for dismissive posturing.                                       – C. K. Grinnell

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hi sleep folk, just another announcement that i’ll be on tour in TX, LA, FL, GA, SC in jan. and feb. and in MA, RI, CT and NY in late march, playing "madama butterfly" with the touring company of new york city opera.  please let me know if you’d like to come.  i’d like to meet some folks from this very good ng. kcd — I think it’s going to be a long time until American society accepts fat people.  Dieting has been elevated into a religion, a new religion, and only the thin are "good" and saved.  The new messiah is any weight-loss expert.   And if you couple religious fervor and righteousness with desire and pressure [to lose weight], you have a recipe for dismissive posturing.                                       – C. K. Grinnell

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yes it looks very much you have a sleep disorder,please see a dr         Daniel

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After reading the other posts I have to say I agree with them to a point.  You may have a sleep disorder but I am not a doctor and the information you gave is not enough to really say for sure.  There are other illnesses that can cause sleepiness during the day and only a physician can tell you what your problem is. There are some other symtoms though that might indicate a sleep disorder.  Loud snoring, restless legs etc. can be indicators.  Again a visit to the doctor is the best suggestion.   Good Luck ************** For information regarding Tracheostomy and the treatment of Obstructive Sleep Apena please visit http://members.aol.com/citylinc/osa/index.htm

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Thank you to everyone who replied to my post.  I read every one and they were all helpful.  I appreciate it. :) Jason Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Please lets us know how you get on?  Hope you get a sleep test and do not just put it off because if they find a problem it can help in so many ways. I read about sleep disorders about 6 years before I could get a doctor to refer me to a sleep test. I use to get depressed and forget about it a while then try a different doctor (GP). I took them articles out of books I found and most doctors said” no you haven’t got that its rare and you only have to lose weight here the diet for you. But after trying nearly ever doctor over 6 years(including even going to a ENT who said I had to lose weight first then he would operate (I never ever got that operation allergic to surgeons)) I found a doctor whose father had OSA well that was 2 years ago( I was unemployable so they told me memory problems and similar sleep patterns like you, had previous always tried to work at night and working in the computer industry this was not hard with a lot of companies wanting me to work at night and have their systems back on line for staff in the morning. I would be leaving when they would be opening up for the day). Since then with CPAP treatment have not had the time for a break really, have had that much energy when not working, I am always out doing something. See Ya Warren p/s estimate spend well over $20000 on different diets since having treatment for sleep apnea have been losing weight gradually each week and not on a diet at all eat anything I feel like. Lost 66 lbs. in first 12 weeks. and about 2 lbs. a month since then. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Y2J" <atlantabra…@my-deja.com

wrote in message news:8ssg2e$bgf$1@nnrp1.deja.com… Thank you to everyone who replied to my post.  I read every one and they were all helpful.  I appreciate it. :) Jason Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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wrote in message news:39EFD827.9006CA2D@jump.net… Y2J wrote: Hi.  I am new to this forum.  It has come to my attention that there are many, many sleep disorders.  I have had odd sleep patterns and trouble sleeping since I was about 9 years old.  I am almost 18 now.  Everyone says my sleep is messed up.  I usually stay up most of the night..like I will go to bed around 3 AM or so, and I have to be up by 6 Am, and I can wake up fine for the most part.  I’ll be losing energy by the afternoon and when I come home from school, I usually take about a 2 hour nap. That does me until about 3 AM again.  I feel better at night.  My mind functions better, I am happier, etc.  It’s not really a manic thing, I just enjoy the night better and don’t want to go to bed.   Sounds to me like you are suffering from the common malady of being a teenager. I remember seeing some news articles a couple of years ago about some studies that determined that teenagers and young adults, when left to choose their own schedules, will tend to prefer to stay up well past midnight and then want to sleep late in the morning.  One of the recommendations being made was that high school should start later in the morning, say 10am, to accomodate the natural sleep rhythms of people that age, since at 8am their body is telling them they should be asleep and not in the classroom. I know that I was definitely like that when I was that age.  I had to force myself to get to bed by 11 during the school year, and during the summer I generally preferred to sleep from 3am to noon. (Of course, I have sleep apnea now, but I don’t think they’re related.)

Yep I think they are related, I had same sleep paterns when i was at school had them most of my like 44 now diagnosed with sleep apnea also, asked doctors about it when i was diagnosed they had all my medical history since i was a baby managed to be able to get records transfer to new doctors when i when to different one. and the specialist read them and said a lot of problems would relate to OSA. Had the morning headaches all my life they were treating me with migrane tablets, have not had one migrane tablet since CPAP. Have an enlarged heart they thought it may of been a side effect of a diet drugs they had me on when I was 21 to about 25 ( they did not help with weight lost much was like speed, lost weight in first few weeks then would just gain it back plus more) They now believe enlarged heart is because of OSA.  they can not fix this although they said it had reduced a bit in size on latest xrays. Have never had good lung capacity since a baby, (Have been told by mom use to stop breathing when I was a baby and she use to watch me at night and give me a shake to keep me breathing )every new doctor gave me asthma test. since CPAP lung has increased lung capacity a bit. Was on blood pressure medication since about 21 now no longer have to take blood pressure medication. When I was about 18 to 19 went for 12 stone to 18 stone in a 4 months period and they could not work out what happened to me at 21 I was 21 stone and have been between 21 to 27 stone since I was 21. {a stone is 14 lbs. or 6.36 kgs} I was a skinny kid until around 18. They have found out that a lot OSA people who have had OSA all their life were skinny as kids then gained weight as an adult.  I posted symptoms for kids and adults earlier. Hope I did not go on to long here Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I don’t have any references to the study to point you to, but a little while searching around AltaVista or something might turn it up.   If it really worries you, talk to your parents about getting an appointment with a sleep specialist.  It can’t ever hurt just to hear what a doctor has to say. ray — Ray Shea — Austin, TX ===================================================================== "I think 49 Guinnesses is piggish."  – dylan thomas

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I can’t sleep at night either – I am much more mentally active at night usually.  In my case though, the time of going to bed tends to get later and later.  If the same happens to you when you don’t have a reason to get up, you may have Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder. Lora (If replying by email remove the question marks)

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Hi.  I am new to this forum.  It has come to my attention that there are many, many sleep disorders.  I have had odd sleep patterns and trouble sleeping since I was about 9 years old.  I am almost 18 now.  Everyone says my sleep is messed up.  I usually stay up most of the night..like I will go to bed around 3 AM or so, and I have to be up by 6 Am, and I can wake up fine for the most part.  I’ll be losing energy by the afternoon and when I come home from school, I usually take about a 2 hour nap. That does me until about 3 AM again.  I feel better at night.  My mind functions better, I am happier, etc.  It’s not really a manic thing, I just enjoy the night better and don’t want to go to bed.  I feel like getting more things done.  I often have so much energy at night/early in the morning, I will go out and jump on my trampoline at 1 or 2 AM, and I might even do it earlier in the morning if not for my parents putting regulations on it.  :)  Does this sound like a sleep disorder?  Anything specific?  I know I should see a doctor, but the doctor I see already knows.  (It’s a psychiatrist and he usually doesn’t act unless there is an immediate problem).  Thank you for reading. Jason Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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I have heard about this a lot lately I was like this when I was around your age, and did not find anyone to help until I was 40 but more doctors know about these things now. I recommend to try and get your doctor to get you into a sleep clinic for an overnight study just remember if you do this do not have the afternoon nap on the day you go for sleep study so you are very tired when you go or try to go about when you normally go for a nap. If you do not have a sleep disorder at least this will rule that out. Then you can work on rest. If you have something like me Obstructive Sleep Apnea depression and memory problems are common with it and why I think I use to like the night was I got headaches with bright sun light but can not really explain it But my sleep pattern was like yours for most of the week and sleep all day Sunday when I did not have to get up early. Snoring is often a sign but not all snorers have it and not all people with OSA snore. other signs Symptoms and side effects in adults   Excessive daytime sleepiness (e.g. falling asleep in front of TV, at the wheel of a car etc.) Restless sleep Morning headaches Memory lapses Irritability General lethargy Slight disorientation Personality changes Sexual dysfunction (impotence) Obesity (losing weight can become difficult) Symptoms and side effects in Children Loud snoring Witnessed apneas Restless sleep Sleeping in unusual positions Excessive sweating at night Poor weight gain Bed wetting (after 6-7 years old) Behavioural changes during the day – child may be hyperactive or aggressive instead of sleepy  Effects of Alcohol on OSA A person with OSA may stop breathing several hundred times a night. This is exacerbated by consumption of alcohol . At the legal blood alcohol limit of 0.05%, the brain’s response rate to an apneic episode is reduced. Mild sleep apnea can become severe with 4-5 10 once beers. Tranquillisers and sleeping tablets also make OSA worse. Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Y2J" <jason…@sexmagnet.com

wrote in message news:8sm12p$90s$1@nnrp1.deja.com… Hi.  I am new to this forum.  It has come to my attention that there are many, many sleep disorders.  I have had odd sleep patterns and trouble sleeping since I was about 9 years old.  I am almost 18 now.  Everyone says my sleep is messed up.  I usually stay up most of the night..like I will go to bed around 3 AM or so, and I have to be up by 6 Am, and I can wake up fine for the most part.  I’ll be losing energy by the afternoon and when I come home from school, I usually take about a 2 hour nap. That does me until about 3 AM again.  I feel better at night.  My mind functions better, I am happier, etc.  It’s not really a manic thing, I just enjoy the night better and don’t want to go to bed.  I feel like getting more things done.  I often have so much energy at night/early in the morning, I will go out and jump on my trampoline at 1 or 2 AM, and I might even do it earlier in the morning if not for my parents putting regulations on it.  :)  Does this sound like a sleep disorder?  Anything specific?  I know I should see a doctor, but the doctor I see already knows.  (It’s a psychiatrist and he usually doesn’t act unless there is an immediate problem).  Thank you for reading. Jason Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Y2J wrote:

Hi.  I am new to this forum.  It has come to my attention that there are many, many sleep disorders.  I have had odd sleep patterns and trouble sleeping since I was about 9 years old.  I am almost 18 now.  Everyone says my sleep is messed up.  I usually stay up most of the night..like I will go to bed around 3 AM or so, and I have to be up by 6 Am, and I can wake up fine for the most part.  I’ll be losing energy by the afternoon and when I come home from school, I usually take about a 2 hour nap. That does me until about 3 AM again.  I feel better at night.  My mind functions better, I am happier, etc.  It’s not really a manic thing, I just enjoy the night better and don’t want to go to bed.  

Sounds to me like you are suffering from the common malady of being a teenager. I remember seeing some news articles a couple of years ago about some studies that determined that teenagers and young adults, when left to choose their own schedules, will tend to prefer to stay up well past midnight and then want to sleep late in the morning.  One of the recommendations being made was that high school should start later in the morning, say 10am, to accomodate the natural sleep rhythms of people that age, since at 8am their body is telling them they should be asleep and not in the classroom. I know that I was definitely like that when I was that age.  I had to force myself to get to bed by 11 during the school year, and during the summer I generally preferred to sleep from 3am to noon. (Of course, I have sleep apnea now, but I don’t think they’re related.) I don’t have any references to the study to point you to, but a little while searching around AltaVista or something might turn it up.   If it really worries you, talk to your parents about getting an appointment with a sleep specialist.  It can’t ever hurt just to hear what a doctor has to say. ray — Ray Shea — Austin, TX ===================================================================== "I think 49 Guinnesses is piggish."  – dylan thomas

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Y2J wrote:

  I usually stay up most of the night..like I will go to bed around 3 AM or so, and I have to be up by 6 Am, and I can wake up fine for the most part.  I’ll be losing energy by the afternoon and when I come home from school, I usually take about a 2 hour nap. That does me until about 3 AM again.  I feel better at night.  My mind functions better, I am happier, etc.

It sounds a lot like delayed phase sleep syndrome, but I’m not a Doc. But I do suggest you try to get your Primary general Doctor to refer you to a board certified sleep specialist who will be able to take a in depth history and know what questions to ask you in order to pinpoint your problem better.

Does this sound like a sleep disorder?  Anything specific?

Yes. And I mentioned Delayed phase above.

I know I should see a doctor, but the doctor I see already knows.  (It’s a psychiatrist and he usually doesn’t act unless there is an immediate problem).

Psychiatrist may be good at what his specialty is, but he may not know much about sleep disorders. Most of the sleep specialists I have heard about on this News group are Pulmonologists (lungs), Neurologists (brain and nerve functions) and ENT (ear, nose & throat). Personally, I would not go to a psychiatric specialist to diagnose the flu or arthritis, but he is good for mood imbalances (depression, mania, etc.). My question is why hasn’t he sent you back to your General Practitioner with the problem?

Thank you for reading. Jason Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Dear les, I haven’t been able to respond to many posts either,  but I have been reading all of yours and thinking of you.  Progress doesn’t always feel good.  I think you *are* making progress,  but it takes time to actually feel better.  Hang in there. love Sandra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi Mark! Just wanted to say that I really like your advice and I’ll try to remember it too.  Thanks! Di writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Les, have you ever tried congnative based therapy?  IMO it could do wonders for you if you really got into it.  A lot of the things you’ve said in your posts have indicated that you have a lot of distortions in thinking.  For examle, in this post you said "i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to." Why are you apologizing?  You have nothing to be sorry about.  You want to? You think "I should reply to the posts, but I feel bad, so I can’t."  You end up feeling guilty, and ashamed, so your anxiety gets worse.  You’re trying too hard to snap yourself out of it.  You’re not giving yourself permission to feel bad.  Sometimes you got to say "I have anxiety, and yes I feel crappy.  I can’t expect to feel good all the time."  The funny thing is, that once you believe that, you feel better. I know it’s hard, I’ve been there.  But once you realize how your thoughts are hurting you, you’ll learn to stop believing everything your brain tells you.  Sometimes you just gotta say "Screw this!"  Go outside, and run down the street like a maniac, kick over a garbage can, and try your hardest to go absolutely nuts.  It does help.  Meds are there to help you, but you can’t rely on them to cure you.  The meds should be used to control your anxiety enough to allow you to get to the root of what is causing it. It’s a lot of advice to swallow, but I followed all that advice, and I can say I’m 10 times better than when my anxiety first hit. Good Luck! Mark i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les.

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Les, have you ever tried congnative based therapy?  IMO it could do wonders for you if you really got into it.  A lot of the things you’ve said in your posts have indicated that you have a lot of distortions in thinking.  For example, in this post you said "i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to." Why are you apologizing?  You have nothing to be sorry about.  You want to? You think "I should reply to the posts, but I feel bad, so I can’t."  You end up feeling guilty, and ashamed, so your anxiety gets worse.  You’re trying too hard to snap yourself out of it.  You’re not giving yourself permission to feel bad.  Sometimes you got to say "I have anxiety, and yes I feel crappy.  I can’t expect to feel good all the time."  The funny thing is, that once you believe that, you feel better. I know it’s hard, I’ve been there.  But once you realize how your thoughts are hurting you, you’ll learn to stop believing everything your brain tells you.  Sometimes you just gotta say "Screw this!"  Go outside, and run down the street like a maniac, kick over a garbage can, and try your hardest to go absolutely nuts.  It does help.  Meds are there to help you, but you can’t rely on them to cure you. The meds should be used to control your anxiety enough to allow you to get to the root of what is causing it. It’s a lot of advice to swallow, but I followed all that advice, and I can say I’m 10 times better than when my anxiety first hit. Good Luck! Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Les, have you ever tried congnative based therapy?  IMO it could do wonders for you if you really got into it.  A lot of the things you’ve said in your posts have indicated that you have a lot of distortions in thinking.  For examle, in this post you said "i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to." Why are you apologizing?  You have nothing to be sorry about.  You want to? You think "I should reply to the posts, but I feel bad, so I can’t."  You end up feeling guilty, and ashamed, so your anxiety gets worse.  You’re trying too hard to snap yourself out of it.  You’re not giving yourself permission to feel bad.  Sometimes you got to say "I have anxiety, and yes I feel crappy.  I can’t expect to feel good all the time."  The funny thing is, that once you believe that, you feel better. I know it’s hard, I’ve been there.  But once you realize how your thoughts are hurting you, you’ll learn to stop believing everything your brain tells you.  Sometimes you just gotta say "Screw this!"  Go outside, and run down the street like a maniac, kick over a garbage can, and try your hardest to go absolutely nuts.  It does help.  Meds are there to help you, but you can’t rely on them to cure you.  The meds should be used to control your anxiety enough to allow you to get to the root of what is causing it. It’s a lot of advice to swallow, but I followed all that advice, and I can say I’m 10 times better than when my anxiety first hit. Good Luck! Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Les, I am also currently going through a "breathing" problem – I’ve been intermittenly short of breath for around a week now.  The problem actually caused me to have the "mother of all panic attacks" (I very rarely have them) on the way home from work, forcing me to pull off into the emergency room of a hospital.  I told the doctor about my breathing problem, and that I have panic/anxiety disorder. The doctors took a chest X-Ray, an EKG, checked my blood/oxygen levels, and did some blood work.  ALL of the tests and x-rays came back OK, and the doctro told me that he was 99% certain that the breathing problem was anxiety-related.  He also mentioned that he has seen other cases of the exact same symptoms lasting more than a few days. I also visited my primary care physician (who also happens to be a psychiatrist).  He also check the blood/oxygen levels, and gave me an asthma test as well (which I passed).  He asked if I had chest pains (nope), coughing fits (nope), or wheezing (nope).  Given the information he had, he ALSO was convinced that it was stress related.  He has since put me on Prozac and Klonopin which have helped quite a bit; the breathing problems have improved but have not totally dissapeared.  I have to go back to work on Wed., and quite frankly I’m petrified about getting in my car and driving that far – but I know I will, and I’m sure it’ll wind up alright. One thing I have noticed is that when I’m immersed in something I enjoy (playing a computer game, reading a book, conversing with other people), I hardly notice my breathing problem.  It’s only when I’m alone and begin to obsess upon it does it become a problem.  Those facts alone (plus two doctors opinions) make a strong case for it being anxiety-related. I guess the only comforting advice I can offer you is that I would bet everything I own that your (and my) symptoms will eventually pass.  Having had anxiety problems for 10 years, I can remember numerous times when I though for sure the "problem of the week" would never go away, but it ALWAYS has! Also, GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR NOW!!!  Don’t make any excuses for not doing it, JUST DO IT!  I understand that it can doctor visits can be scary (the chest X-Ray I got at my trip to the ER was the first I’d gotten since I stopped smoking after 15 years – I was petrified that I’d have cancer or something; of course I didn’t).  However, when the doctor comes back to you after all the test and says "There’s nothing physically wrong with you" (which I’m sure he/she will), I GUARANTEE you that you’ll feel a large weight lift off of your shoulders.  Visiting your doctor is the FIRST STEP you need to take in order to get past your current issues. Hang in there, there are many of us that have been through this sort of thing and some of us (like me) that are going through the exact same problem right now.  We are here whenever you need us.  Just remember, you are the not the first, the only, or the last person to have this problem – and everyone past, present and future have and will get past it successfuly. Later! Mike P.S.: For relaxation, might I suggest Bach’s "Preludes and Fugues" (if you dig classical) or Porcupine Tree’s "Signify" (if you’re more of a modern dude).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi all. no i haven’t been off any meds. and i still can’t successfully divert my attention. last night i tried to go to sleep and kept feeling worse and worse. i ended up getting back out of my bed and talking to a friend online until i knew i had to get to sleep or i’d be tired all day at work. i was exhausted when i woke up, but i made it to work. i had a great day there. did well. was totally on top of everything and only messed up one time and it was at the very end and on something that i didn’t really know much. (my second time doing audio.) anyway, i tried to waste some time before i came back home. now the suffocating feeling is slowly setting in again. if it’s panic i don’t understand because i’m not otherwise panicked feeling. and i don’t understand why i’ve been so panicked and all that at home, because this is a new home tied to no bad experiences. but i suppose that is all so tied into my personality and existence, the whole ptsd junk. it’s hard because i know that stuff like well the breathing thing, i’m sure it’s in my head. so then like everyone’s suggested my approach should be to distract myself and all, but it’s so ingrained in me i can’t. no matter what i try to do that, i can’t. and i know i’m also still afraid of really getting into it all much. it’s like i’m supposed to set up a check up for my dr, make sure i’m physically fine, and i am just hoping my dad will forget and i won’t have to. which is bad because i’ve avoided that stuff for years, and i did used to have lots of physical symptoms which were probably totally tied to my anxiety and abuse stuff etc. and even now aside from the breathing, there are some other physical things i have, but try to ignore. and with the therapist, as much as i’m trying to tell her stuff and get help, i know i really only do as much as i need to. like when i feel suicidal i will tell her, and if i’m really anxious, and all, but i try to avoid all the stuff – well the issues that i know i need to deal with that are at the root of all this. it’s hard because everything in the way this whole experience has progressed from me, from my whole life really, i’ve learned in such a way that i don’t even recognize when i’m doing it, to avoid these issues and to take on a fake presense of mind really. i mean how is one supposed to get better under such circumstances. i guess i know deep down the only way doesn’t have to do with any doctors or meds or anyone but myself. i mean the other stuff can help me there but that’s it. only i really think that in a way the very stuff that is eating at me and killing me is the same stuff i feel comfort and protection in. i don’t know how to keep the positive aspects of it while dumping the negative. i’m sure some of you at least know what i mean. anyway, for now i’m just gonna try to occupy myself if i can, or at least wish the minutes away, and hope that wed when i have my appts i can get somewhere. at least to where i feel okay and like i can survive at least another week or whatever. okay, sorry for rambling again. les. Les, Have you ever been on xanax?  I was/am having suffocating  and breathing problems also.  I got into my new psydoc on thursday and he said that some of my symptoms were withdrawal from the xanax since I had been on it sooooooo long.  Maybe you are having withdrawal from one of the drugs you are or were on.  Please run this by your doc.  I had no idea that I would be having withdrawal from xanax since I was still on it at a low dose but I was wrong.  I am doing everything my doc says to try to get better.  I am also fed up with living my life like this.  I want more – I want to be able to get in my car and drive without thinking about it.  My doc took me off of xanax and prozac completely – he gave me a 6-day supply of attivan at decreasing dosages and put me on 10 mg of paxil.  I am scared to death of what to expect but won’t know until I give it a try.  Please review the meds you have been on with your doc and find out about them see if you could have any type of withdrawal going on.  My breathing I notice is getting better after 4 days.  But I am still scared – scared to try anything,especially get into my car and drive.  This could be natural fear that we all get but right now I don’t know.  Will be testing this driving thing soon and hoping my positive self talk, breathing and paxil are there to help me. Good luck. keep us posted.   sorry so long. smiles, elise i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never

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hi all. no i haven’t been off any meds. and i still can’t successfully divert my attention. last night i tried to go to sleep and kept feeling worse and worse. i ended up getting back out of my bed and talking to a friend online until i knew i had to get to sleep or i’d be tired all day at work. i was exhausted when i woke up, but i made it to work. i had a great day there. did well. was totally on top of everything and only messed up one time and it was at the very end and on something that i didn’t really know much. (my second time doing audio.) anyway, i tried to waste some time before i came back home. now the suffocating feeling is slowly setting in again. if it’s panic i don’t understand because i’m not otherwise panicked feeling. and i don’t understand why i’ve been so panicked and all that at home, because this is a new home tied to no bad experiences. but i suppose that is all so tied into my personality and existence, the whole ptsd junk. it’s hard because i know that stuff like well the breathing thing, i’m sure it’s in my head. so then like everyone’s suggested my approach should be to distract myself and all, but it’s so ingrained in me i can’t. no matter what i try to do that, i can’t. and i know i’m also still afraid of really getting into it all much. it’s like i’m supposed to set up a check up for my dr, make sure i’m physically fine, and i am just hoping my dad will forget and i won’t have to. which is bad because i’ve avoided that stuff for years, and i did used to have lots of physical symptoms which were probably totally tied to my anxiety and abuse stuff etc. and even now aside from the breathing, there are some other physical things i have, but try to ignore. and with the therapist, as much as i’m trying to tell her stuff and get help, i know i really only do as much as i need to. like when i feel suicidal i will tell her, and if i’m really anxious, and all, but i try to avoid all the stuff – well the issues that i know i need to deal with that are at the root of all this. it’s hard because everything in the way this whole experience has progressed from me, from my whole life really, i’ve learned in such a way that i don’t even recognize when i’m doing it, to avoid these issues and to take on a fake presense of mind really. i mean how is one supposed to get better under such circumstances. i guess i know deep down the only way doesn’t have to do with any doctors or meds or anyone but myself. i mean the other stuff can help me there but that’s it. only i really think that in a way the very stuff that is eating at me and killing me is the same stuff i feel comfort and protection in. i don’t know how to keep the positive aspects of it while dumping the negative. i’m sure some of you at least know what i mean. anyway, for now i’m just gonna try to occupy myself if i can, or at least wish the minutes away, and hope that wed when i have my appts i can get somewhere. at least to where i feel okay and like i can survive at least another week or whatever. okay, sorry for rambling again. les. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Les, Have you ever been on xanax?  I was/am having suffocating  and breathing problems also.  I got into my new psydoc on thursday and he said that some of my symptoms were withdrawal from the xanax since I had been on it sooooooo long.  Maybe you are having withdrawal from one of the drugs you are or were on.  Please run this by your doc.  I had no idea that I would be having withdrawal from xanax since I was still on it at a low dose but I was wrong.  I am doing everything my doc says to try to get better.  I am also fed up with living my life like this.  I want more – I want to be able to get in my car and drive without thinking about it.  My doc took me off of xanax and prozac completely – he gave me a 6-day supply of attivan at decreasing dosages and put me on 10 mg of paxil.  I am scared to death of what to expect but won’t know until I give it a try.  Please review the meds you have been on with your doc and find out about them see if you could have any type of withdrawal going on.  My breathing I notice is getting better after 4 days.  But I am still scared – scared to try

anything,especially get – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -into my car and drive.  This could be natural fear that we all get but right now I don’t know.  Will be testing this driving thing soon and hoping my positive self talk, breathing and paxil are there to help me. Good luck. keep us posted.   sorry so long. smiles, elise i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Dear Les, You don`t have to apologize because you are not up to posting,the most important thing is taking care of *you*. If this breathing problem is new, you really should call your doctor and tell her this. It is important that this be checked out ASAP. Have you tried any deep breathing exercises? The more you focus on this symptom the worse it gets, you need to try to divert your attention elsewhere, I know this is easier said than done, but it can work. Sometimes when I am feeling very anxious I take a nice hot shower, it really helps to relax me. IMHO……doing something bad is not going to help you, because then you are left dealing with alot of quilt and other emotions over what you have done. You need *positive* diversions such as reading, watching TV, calling someone…..etc. Don`t just sit there and let these feelings and thoughts engulf you, you need to take action, only you can do that Les. Take care and call your doctor tomorrow about this breathing symptom!! {{{{{Les}}}}} Jackie Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hi Les!  I think Jackie sums it up.  You are going to have to talk to someone.  :)J — "Just when you think life sucks, someone hands you a vacuum cleaner; it is at this time you start cleaning some house". :) J  Visit me at:  http://members.ync.net/jdgalvin/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Dear Les, You don`t have to apologize because you are not up to posting,the most important thing is taking care of *you*. If this breathing problem is new, you really should call your doctor and tell her this. It is important that this be checked out ASAP. Have you tried any deep breathing exercises? The more you focus on this symptom the worse it gets, you need to try to divert your attention elsewhere, I know this is easier said than done, but it can work. Sometimes when I am feeling very anxious I take a nice hot shower, it really helps to relax me. IMHO……doing something bad is not going to help you, because then you are left dealing with alot of quilt and other emotions over what you have done. You need *positive* diversions such as reading, watching TV, calling someone…..etc. Don`t just sit there and let these feelings and thoughts engulf you, you need to take action, only you can do that Les. Take care and call your doctor tomorrow about this breathing symptom!! {{{{{Les}}}}} Jackie Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les.

{{{{{les}}}}} Jackie is right les.  You need to speak to your doctor.  Also please try to focus your attention on something else, music, TV, etc.  I have the breathing thing on and off and I’ve finally learned to divert my attention away from it. It’s the only way I can keep from hyperventilating.  I’m not afraid of it anymore.  I know even though I can’t take a real deep breath, I’m still getting air in my lungs.  Please try!  Don’t worry about posting. Hugs, Di

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Les, Have you ever been on xanax?  I was/am having suffocating  and breathing problems also.  I got into my new psydoc on thursday and he said that some of my symptoms were withdrawal from the xanax since I had been on it sooooooo long.  Maybe you are having withdrawal from one of the drugs you are or were on.  Please run this by your doc.  I had no idea that I would be having withdrawal from xanax since I was still on it at a low dose but I was wrong.  I am doing everything my doc says to try to get better.  I am also fed up with living my life like this.  I want more – I want to be able to get in my car and drive without thinking about it.  My doc took me off of xanax and prozac completely – he gave me a 6-day supply of attivan at decreasing dosages and put me on 10 mg of paxil.  I am scared to death of what to expect but won’t know until I give it a try.  Please review the meds you have been on with your doc and find out about them see if you could have any type of withdrawal going on.  My breathing I notice is getting better after 4 days.  But I am still scared – scared to try anything,especially get into my car and drive.  This could be natural fear that we all get but right now I don’t know.  Will be testing this driving thing soon and hoping my positive self talk, breathing and paxil are there to help me.  Good luck. keep us posted.   sorry so long. smiles, elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Dear Les, You don`t have to apologize because you are not up to posting,the most important thing is taking care of *you*. If this breathing problem is new, you really should call your doctor and tell her this. It is important that this be checked out ASAP. Have you tried any deep breathing exercises? The more you focus on this symptom the worse it gets, you need to try to divert your attention elsewhere, I know this is easier said than done, but it can work. Sometimes when I am feeling very anxious I take a nice hot shower, it really helps to relax me. IMHO……doing something bad is not going to help you, because then you are left dealing with alot of quilt and other emotions over what you have done. You need *positive* diversions such as reading, watching TV, calling someone…..etc. Don`t just sit there and let these feelings and thoughts engulf you, you need to take action, only you can do that Les. Take care and call your doctor tomorrow about this breathing symptom!! {{{{{Les}}}}} Jackie Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I just wanted to send you a hug.  Jackie’s advice was right on target.  All I can add is, call your doctor now and let him/her know how truly awful you’re feeling.   You might be able to be seen on your lunch break or after work.  They might even just try a different medication right away.  And, remember, this will pass.  You will feel better again. Love, Janet

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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hi J and Jackie- i tried going to sleep and I just feel so bad i can’t. i feel like i’m suffocating even more when i’m lying down. i feel really bad. :( i have to go to work tomorrow though. i never have any time to do anything. by the time i get back it will be dinner time. so i can’t really call the dr. i won’t get a chance. i could call tuesday, but i’m seeing him and the therapist wednesday so that seems dumb. i suppose i should just wait. i just wish i could do something because i just feel so bad i want to die. :( i’ve really tried to keep my mind off it. tried reading, watching tv, tried to sleep, sewing my stuffed pig, nothing will help me. i just wish i could do something. anything. i hope it doesn’t get any worse, but i still feel like i could throw up anytime soon and i’m getting a headache too. :( bur thanks for listening to me at least. if i didn’t have the drs appt wed and if i didn’t have work tomorrow i would call the dr like you suggested. but oh well. les. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Les!  I think Jackie sums it up.  You are going to have to talk to someone.  :)J — "Just when you think life sucks, someone hands you a vacuum cleaner; it is at this time you start cleaning some house". :) J  Visit me at:  http://members.ync.net/jdgalvin/index.html in message i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Dear Les, You don`t have to apologize because you are not up to posting,the most important thing is taking care of *you*. If this breathing problem is new, you really should call your doctor and tell her this. It is important that this be checked out ASAP. Have you tried any deep breathing exercises? The more you focus on this symptom the worse it gets, you need to try to divert your attention elsewhere, I know this is easier said than done, but it can work. Sometimes when I am feeling very anxious I take a nice hot shower, it really helps to relax me. IMHO……doing something bad is not going to help you, because then you are left dealing with alot of quilt and other emotions over what you have done. You need *positive* diversions such as reading, watching TV, calling someone…..etc. Don`t just sit there and let these feelings and thoughts engulf you, you need to take action, only you can do that Les. Take care and call your doctor tomorrow about this breathing symptom!! {{{{{Les}}}}} Jackie Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les.

Dear Les, You don`t have to apologize because you are not up to posting,the most important thing is taking care of *you*. If this breathing problem is new, you really should call your doctor and tell her this. It is important that this be checked out ASAP. Have you tried any deep breathing exercises? The more you focus on this symptom the worse it gets, you need to try to divert your attention elsewhere, I know this is easier said than done, but it can work. Sometimes when I am feeling very anxious I take a nice hot shower, it really helps to relax me. IMHO……doing something bad is not going to help you, because then you are left dealing with alot of quilt and other emotions over what you have done. You need *positive* diversions such as reading, watching TV, calling someone…..etc. Don`t just sit there and let these feelings and thoughts engulf you, you need to take action, only you can do that Les. Take care and call your doctor tomorrow about this breathing symptom!! {{{{{Les}}}}} Jackie Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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i must apologize again for not responding to any posts. i want to. i don’t understand this illness or whatever you call it. the new med, perhaps has worked. a few days ago i seemed pretty well. my dreams were getting nicer, i wasn’t so scared. but that breathing thing was bothering me still somewhat. since then the breathing thing has got much worse. today it didn’t let up at all and now i feel really sick and way out of breath. distracting myself hasn’t worked, talking myself out of it, taking deep breaths, nothing. last night my dream was horrible again and i woke up terrified. i feel awful. i don’t remember ever having these breathing problems before i tried any meds. then i was just scared and had bad thoughts, but didn’t have these physical symptoms. can your symptoms just get worse with the meds? i don’t get that. why the heck take them then. is it better to feel awful and like you’re dying than to be afraid of dying. sigh. am i just slipping back? are these meds really not working? and i don’t want to continue this journey. this therapy stuff. this facing the past. this sharing stuff with my dad. this trusting people. why couldn’t i keep things the way they were years ago. so what if i didn’t have anyone. if i didn’t do anything. so, i was boring. maybe a life not worth leading if you think, but i had more track of stuff. sometimes i think it was so much easier dealing with things when they were horrible. when i was younger, at least i had so much going around me i had to watch out for i never had to worry about feeling anything myself. i was safe. i didn’t have to think about anything but survival. maybe if i had something awful like that to focus on the rest of this would go away. maybe it’s wrong but i still thing that doing something bad might help me. just in that way. anyone have any other ideas? is there anything else that will help me. everything else might not be so bad if i didn’t feel so horrible with this darn breathing thing. it’s really bad. i’m sure lots of you know that. please, anybody? les. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I wake up  every morning and stand in the shower and cry because I feel like… I don’t know, nothing matters, nobody cares, I don’t have a friend in the world.

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I wake up in the morning and stand in the shower and cry because I feel so hopeless, like I don’t have a friend in the world and no one cares..

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Sure you do.  You have a whole bunch of us right here who also stand in the shower and cry sometimes.    The people know what you are feeling and they are a great, helpful group.  I’m pretty new here but they have helped me even when I was just lurking. I wake up in the morning and stand in the shower and cry because I feel so hopeless, like I don’t have a friend in the world and no one cares..

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I think a lot of us have had those days and it is really hard to push yourself to go threw the motions of the day. If you ever need to talk there are plenty of us here. Hope your feeling at least a little better by the time you receive this. -T – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wake up  every morning and stand in the shower and cry because I feel like… I don’t know, nothing matters, nobody cares, I don’t have a friend in the world.

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JD, are you on an anitdepressant?  if so, it’s evidently not working, if not, then please, please, go to a doc and get on one.  no one should live the way you’re living.  do you like yourself the way you are?  then do something about it!  you have to take the first step for help.  no one will do it for you.  i’m concerned for you, because i’ve been there, done that. i’m now on an antidepressant, and can at least function like a normal human being now.  please let me know how things turn out.

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There are  docs on Skip’s website in the area you are in.  Virginia, Maryland and such.  Many people have to travel to find a good doctor. Start here and see if there is one you can manage to get too: http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/goodDoctors.html There may be someone who knows of good docs in Del. too though.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

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Greg, For nerve damage, see if your doc can prescribe or even give you samples of Neurontin (gabapentin). It was the only thing to help nerve damage in my shoulder a year or two back, and it healed up in two weeks. I had spent months prior on pain killers with no relief.  Just don’t be too quick to pick up the young ones even when you’ve healed… give your body time to get back to itself again. ;) The disc damage should probably respond quickly to an injection if nothing else… maybe a local anesthetic and cortisone. Don’t blow it out completely with excessive exercise. Once the pain/edema/swelling subsides, then you’ll have time for strengthening. A good doc will know that. Mine didn’t and I ended up having the herniated disc surgically removed. Not fun.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

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 had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

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had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

******* Greg, A lot of us have been in your shoes. a good place to start is http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/ If this link doesn`t work someone else will post one that does. It is Skip Bakers site. I`m so sorry for the pain you are suffering and do know how you feel. eloise

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Hi Greg, sorry to hear about your back pain. I also suffer from lower back pain and I know how it affects every facet of your life. How long ago was the accident? It is important with back and spinal injuries to seek agressive treatment for pain. Have you had an MRI to identify where and what the damage is? Is surgery an option and if you have been advised to have surgery have you had a second opinion from a neurosurgeon? Please try and find a doctor you can trust. As there is no magic machine the doctor can plug into you to see how much pain you are in you need to find a doc who trust you. They also need to have some knowledge about pain treatment. Have you had a look at Skip bakers site]: http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/   It sounds like you need a painkiller like an opiate but you need to discuss this with your doctor. If nerve pain (neuralgia) is involved you may need to try one of a range of medications which can help stop this type of pain. These meds try and stop the damaged nerves from firing and removes the burning, electic shock pain that can be referred down your legs from a lower back injury. Such drugs include Tegretol, Depakote and Neurontin. Some of these are very expensive, do you have insurance? I hope you get a good doc Greg and I hope you can get your pain under control. I know how hard it is to cope when the pain stops you from being able to do all of the things you love. Take care and please let me know how you are going! Cheers, Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

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What do I look for on this web page. I see a bunch of links. I there one link in particular I should use?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time ******* Greg, A lot of us have been in your shoes. a good place to start is http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/ If this link doesn`t work someone else will post one that does. It is Skip Bakers site. I`m so sorry for the pain you are suffering and do know how you feel. eloise

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to  my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time

Sounds like you need to get to a doctor, any doctor for the time being.   Being out of work makes it difficult but, there must be a hospital nearby and you can go to the Emergency Room and declare extreme pain.   They have to treat you.  Well I guess every state is different so I might be talking out my A– but you can give it a try.  Get some treatment for the pain and clear your head a little then you can start thinking of long term care.  I’m sure some members of the group will come up with more concrete suggestions but, I would suggest getting down to the ER or something and start the ball rolling on finding out what needs to be done and maybe get some pain relief.  Don’t know that I can help much but, this is a valid e-mail address if you want to e-mail me with questions.

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Try http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/panic.html if it’s a doctor you are looking for.  You might also want to determine if you are going to need to apply for SSDI once you’ve found a decent doctor. In the meantime, we’re here if you have questions. — The Mouse No cute quote; deal with it. AIM ID:  JSHMTE ICQ# 9049058

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says… : : : had an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to : my : lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the : right : doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made : it : worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 : small : children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t : had : a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I : am : located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back : to : work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything : to : relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little : ones. : : Thanks for your time : : : ******* : Greg, : : A lot of us have been in your : shoes. a good place to start is http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/ If this : link : doesn`t work someone else will post one that does. It is Skip Bakers site. : I`m : so sorry for the pain you are suffering and do know how you feel. : : eloise : : : :

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You could start with the one labeled goodDoctors.html I think it`s dated may 26th? Not sure on that part.From there check out the "pain reps" link and from pain reps page I think there is a link to the "Panic page". His whole site is full of info but I think these pages deal with finding a Dr. Good Luck!! eloise In article What do I look

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an accident a work and the result is nerve damage and disk damage to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my lower back. I am in severe pain and am having trouble finding the right doctor to help. I have tried pt and shots and exercise which only made it worse. Please if you can help me to find a doctor to help me. I have 2 small children and it is so hard to take care of them with my pain. I haven’t had a good night sleep since my accident. Please give me some advice . I am located in Wilmington Delaware.  Since my job fired since I cant go back to work it is hard for me to afford things. But I would give everything to relieve the pain, and to be able to pick up and hug my little ones. Thanks for your time ******* Greg, A lot of us have been in your shoes. a good place to start is http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/ If this link doesn`t work someone else will post one that does. It is Skip Bakers site. I`m so sorry for the pain you are suffering and do know how you feel. eloise

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i’ve had a further contact with john – he’s not as young as you may think – and it looks like they are going to draft him for national service and he’s worried about both his asthma and providing for his family. despite what some of you may think i still feel sorry for the guy and have tried to help him further. in addition – i didn’t realise there was a US healthcare anti-smokers policy – i would have thought that practicing medical professionals maintained an impartial ethical stance – certainly in Britain there is sympathy and healthcare for all – irrespective of cause – in fact i am sure that there are disciplinary procedures for such partisan action! Rich.

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looks like they are going to draft him for national service and he’s worried about both his asthma and providing for his family.

If you had not caught the drift of my last post on this topic, I am rabidly opposed to anyone using ANY illness or disease for the express benefit of getting something for nothing, or avoiding something simply because they "don’t want to do it".   I am not sure how you compensate your national service providers, but it seems that if he is compensated for his service the family will not suffer.  If it is his obligation to serve then I would ceretainly hope that he would do so honorably. As for his asthma, I am equally certain the physicians will be able to detect his efforts to evade service by using his illness.  That may very well be worse than simply doing his job.   i didn’t realise there was a US healthcare anti-smokers policy – i would have thought that practicing medical professionals maintained an impartial ethical stance – certainly in Britain there is sympathy and healthcare for all –

There is no anti-smoker’s policy.  There IS ample evidence that demonstrates the dangers associated with smoking, and those who have asthma and smoke are setting themselves up for serious and life-threatening consequences for their choices.  I emphasize the word choice, because that is what cigarette smoking is…a personal choice.  Just as much as you choose to light up, you can choose to stop and work at improving your health.  There are tons of excuses used each day to justify the next cigarette, but none of them truly hold water anymore. Impartial?  sure I am……the lungs you screw-up are your own.  I’ll do my best to help you, but I can only work with what you give me.  You choose to smoke and trash your lungs then I don’t have alot to work with…..and it’s YOU that will be struggling for your next breath.  BTW…the "you" here is aimed at those who do choose to smoke, not you personally Richard……unless of course you happen to smoke. Scooby RCP, EMT-P Perinatal-Pediatric Respiratory Specialist This mail is a natural product.  The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I emphasize the word choice, because that is what cigarette smoking is…a personal choice.  Just as much as you choose to light up, you can choose to stop and work at improving your health.  There are tons of excuses used each day to justify the next cigarette, but none of them truly hold water anymore. Impartial?  sure I am……the lungs you screw-up are your own.  I’ll do my best to help you, but I can only work with what you give me.  You choose to smoke and trash your lungs then I don’t have alot to work with…..and it’s YOU that will be struggling for your next breath.  BTW…the "you" here is aimed at those who do choose to smoke, not you personally Richard……unless of course you happen to smoke.

What you say is true, but don’t forget those people also cause others harm. Have you ever been walking down the sidewalk and come face to face with a person puffing a cigarette…and the wind blows it right in your face?  Many employees, unable to smoke in their workplaces, now stand outside their place of business to smoke and we must pass them to get in..this recently happened to me at the Hospital!!!  As a rule, smokers seem not to care about much..themselves or others.  Sorry, this was not a good subject for me to get started on. My chand I both have suffered far too many times from second hand smoke.

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not you personally Richard……unless of course you happen to smoke.

Do i really strike you as the sort of individual that would smoke?? What you say is true, but don’t forget those people also cause others harm. Have you ever been walking down the sidewalk and come face to face with a person puffing a cigarette…and the wind blows it right in your face? Many employees, unable to smoke in their workplaces, now stand outside their place of business to smoke and we must pass them to get in..this recently happened to me at the Hospital!!!  As a rule, smokers seem not to care about much..themselves or others.  Sorry, this was not a good subject for me to get started on. My chand I both have suffered far too many times from second hand smoke.

i absolutely understand you viewpoint here, but you have missed the point of the argument. i am saying that there has to be equally available care for all irrespective of cause, blame, or whatever grounds ‘an authority’ chooses to discriminate upon – otherwise the system that evolves is asymmetrical – i.e. it is biased, unfair, and will ultimately lead to greed and amoral practices infecting it. imagine you’re from the US [if you're not] – look at it this way – i was there very recently – and as usual i was appalled by the unnecessary size of the vehicles and their respective engines – which pour out pollution at unprecedented rates; also the amounts and types of food that was available – if you are going to stop smokers smoking anywhere that they can cause harm to others [which i am all for] then you have to apply that principle to everything equally, or the same old same old arguments will be used to defend them. that means stop unnecessary vehicle pollution, killer foods, unnecessary waste production both domestic and industrial etc etc – in reality people are killing themselves and each other in all manner of ways – smoking is just a high profile case at the moment – others will fall but it takes time. just as a point of interest this was released today in the UK : "Non-smokers significantly increase their risk of stroke – by as much as 82% – if they live or work with a smoker, researchers have found. The findings have prompted new calls for a ban on smoking in public places in Britain. Dr Ruth Bonita, senior author of the study, and now director of communicable disease surveillance at the World Health Organisation, said: "This study provides compelling evidence about the need to strengthen tobacco control as a powerful means of reducing the high burden of stroke worldwide. Preventing exposure to other people’s tobacco smoke should be a priority. Passive smokers should actively demand better protection." " [Passive Smoking Stroke Risk ,Tuesday, August 17, 1999 Published at 01:32 GMT 02:32 UK, http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_421000/421686.stm ] by all means ‘actively demand better protection’ but don’t think you can exclude anyone from treatment – that is a human right – and sooner or later you end up being excluded from something yourself. Rich.

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i absolutely understand you viewpoint here, but you have missed the point of the argument. i am saying that there has to be equally available care for all irrespective of cause, blame, or whatever grounds ‘an authority’ chooses to discriminate upon – otherwise the system that evolves is asymmetrical – i.e. it is biased, unfair, and will ultimately lead to greed and amoral practices infecting it.

If a doctor tells somebody with asthma to quit smoking and that patient refuses then why should the doctor waste his time with that patient?   The issue here is the patient doing things that make the medical treatment ineffective. imagine you’re from the US [if you're not] – look at it this way – i was there very recently – and as usual i was appalled by the unnecessary size of the vehicles and their respective engines – which pour out pollution at unprecedented rates;

You might compare the amounts of pollution produced by our ‘big’ engines and your ’small’ ones.  You will be surprised at how little difference there is. "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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If a doctor tells somebody with asthma to quit smoking and that patient refuses then why should the doctor waste his time with that patient? The issue here is the patient doing things that make the medical treatment ineffective.

that may be the outward manifestation of the new mutated argument – but was not the original thought behind it. imagine you’re from the US [if you're not] – look at it this way – i was there very recently – and as usual i was appalled by the unnecessary size of the vehicles and their respective engines – which pour out pollution at unprecedented rates; You might compare the amounts of pollution produced by our ‘big’ engines and your ’small’ ones.  You will be surprised at how little difference there is.

yes, in addition to our strict emissions controls, i can see how a much larger engine in much a larger, heavier vehicle would be relatively more efficient, use less fuel and thus produce fewer emissions!!?? this is beginning to flow nicely at a tangent. if i trip back to the original theme for a minute – hence, this translates that if i travel to the area with the medical reasoning and ethic you describe : because my car is smaller, and thus i am more careful about pollutants in addition to a number of areas mentioned before, and a few i may throw in just for the hell of it, i am therefore more eligible for treatment from a physician than the i believe there to be a minor flaw in your argument!! Rich.

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this is getting a bit monty pythonesque – but just to bring it full circle – i refer to my earlier warning: "by all means ‘actively demand better protection’ but don’t think you can exclude anyone from treatment – that is a human right – and sooner or later you end up being excluded from something yourself." drive little cars!! Titchy Rich.

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how about we go a stage further and say that since moderate exercise can help asthma… sell the car…ride a bike eric (down to smoking 15 cigs a day and getting more ashamed by the week) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this is getting a bit monty pythonesque – but just to bring it full circle – i refer to my earlier warning: "by all means ‘actively demand better protection’ but don’t think you can exclude anyone from treatment – that is a human right – and sooner or later you end up being excluded from something yourself." drive little cars!! Titchy Rich.

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You know – I am amazed and sometimes just plain shocked over the hullabaloo/ruckus being raised over smokers and the smoke clouds that surround their heads that drift rather uninvitingly into our nostrils.

Maybe because tobacco smoke is especially harmful to asthmatics while alcohol is generally no more of a problem than it is for anybody else? "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, diffucult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." Gene Spafford 1992

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Maybe because tobacco smoke is especially harmful to asthmatics while alcohol is generally no more of a problem than it is for anybody else?

Actually tobacco smoke is pretty much harmful to EVERYONE including asthmatics and we are getting tired of putting up with it ! Harold Spatz Independent Alpine Dealer

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You know – I am amazed and sometimes just plain shocked over the hullabaloo/ruckus being raised over smokers and the smoke clouds that surround their heads that drift rather uninvitingly into our nostrils. I NEVER hear anyone talking about alcohol!!??  What’s up with that? Doesn’t everyone know that alchohol causes more damage to non-drinkers than cigarettes ever did or do? Doesn’t everyone know that the health care costs that we all pay are significantly higher due to alcohol related abuse than cigarettes ever were.

You might want to consider how the damage occurs.  Damage from second-hand smoke is direct and unavoidable.  Collateral damage from alcohol ABUSE is indirect.  Alcohol, per se, is not a health risk to a person not using it, and it is not a health risk to a person not using it if the person using it is not abusing it. Chris Owens

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Maybe because tobacco smoke is especially harmful to asthmatics while alcohol is generally no more of a problem than it is for anybody else? Actually tobacco smoke is pretty much harmful to EVERYONE including asthmatics and we are getting tired of putting up with it !

Amen to that.  I am devoutly grateful for the laws which ban smoking in all sorts of public places.  And I do hate running the gaunlet of the doorways where the addicts are clustered. One very dear aunt of mine is finally not smoking since she’s in a nursing home.  Before that, I literally would be ill for days after visiting her at home.   Harold Spatz Independent Alpine Dealer

Sue "It was said she held a grudge until it died of old age and then had it stuffed and mounted."                              David Weber (ten points to anyone who remembers the title of the book)

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I am sorry to hear that you want to do poorly on your tests. People with asthma would kill to be able to be "normal" and have good tests scores. We work hard to make our lungs better and our PFT’s higher. How could you want to do poorly? If you truly have asthma then wouldn’t you want to be able to do things like run? I wish that I could run. You should be happy for what you have instead of playing a part of an asthmatic. If you don’t want to run then don’t run. You never have to do anything you don’t want to do. Please think more about yourself and find another solution to your problems. Shannon 25 w/asthma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack. i am an asthmatic athlete john, i regularly beat the hell out of non-asthmatics at most things and love my sport – i would rather see you try and run if you are well enough and get your asthma under control…….but personally i am against making people do anything if they don’t want to….. so i’ll help you but you’ve got to read and think about what i’ve written……cos somewhere in there is how to get out of running if you really have to. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run. i know it’s hard to run at times, but at other times it’s not – if you can get your asthma under control – which scared the hell out of me for a while, but it can be fairly easy once you know what to do and what not to do – you will be surprised how well you can perform. exercise can be good for your asthma if done right. but when your asthma is bad you should not be exercising, you coach should know this and let you do something else when you are ill – if your coach is giving you a hard time when you should not be doing exercise you need to speak to your parents about it, not try and get out of it……or get him to email me. i’m trying to develop a website with help and links about exercise and in fact i’m worried it might end up on ‘web pages that suck’, but i need time to learn more about how to make my fonts appear like i want them and html and graphics. if you are using a peak flow meter – just don’t blow as hard as usual – your readings will be lower and you can get out of running. so have a look at the site if you want but it’s not finished it’s ‘under construction’ don’t be upset if people don’t answer your post, they are worried and don’t want you to do something you will regret. if you have problems with your asthma don’t be afraid to post here people will help you. Rich. www.exercise4asthma.cjb.net

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if you are using a peak flow meter – just don’t blow as hard as usual – your readings will be lower and you can get out of running.

Well i thought I could avoid showing my disgust at this posting, but I am not! First of all let me assure you that I can tell when a patient is NOT putting forth enough effort or wimping out of making an actual forced exhalation in an attempt to get a best reading for peak flow or an entire spirometric exam. Bottom line is that when i think my patient is faking I make a note in the chart and contact the physician personally.  The patient then will have the honor of furether testing with another therapist to see if we get the same answers.  This happens alot with disability claims.  One word from a physician and/or respiratory therapist that the patient appears to be faking can and does stall or eliminate a claim for disability. As for running and wanting to get out of something…..grow up!  The best thing you can do for yourself is exercise AT YOUR LEVEL.  While that may not allow you to be comeptitive, you certainly can do something besides be a couch potato. As for the advice on how to alter the PF, I think your response places you in a catagory far worse than the individual himself.  You, sir, are not only condoning the old stereotypical behavior, but also allowing the psychological behavior of this patient to interfere with his physical health. You had a perfect opportunity to provide demonstrative proof that asthmatics can a do participate in daily life with limited interruptions.  This is not to say that ALL asthmatics can run, jump, and climb mount everest. When one is being asked "how can I fake this test so I don’t have to even try" the answer should be along the lines of why would you want to, then evolve the questions in an attempt to see what the real objection is……and it’s from that point that the person can grow and learn to live with their condition. Obviously I am personally invested in this issue, not only as one who treats respiratory patients for a living, but also because I have asthma.  I have had asthma all of my life.  I used my asthma when i was a kid to get out of doing that which I did not want to do, and I have seen how the lack of exercise hurt me as an adult.  I also spent 20 years as a Paramedic after taking some time to rebuild myself and get into shape.  I take all of the same meds as the majority of folks here on this newsgroup, and I have also been intubated. My asthma is bad enough to claim governmental disability status but I still continue working my FT job in a Pediatric ICU and as a Paramedic.   There are many asthmatics that compete in day to day activities…..if not against anyone, perhaps it’s just against themselves.  And most of those who have that spirit seem to have a better quality of life.  My heart goes out to those folks who cannot do more than they can at the moment (not for smokers, but that is another whole issue), especially the kids and their parents.  Doing what you can, and reaching for the next rung on the ladder epitomizes the human spirit……getting something for nothing, giving up without trying, or using your condition to obtain sympathy has, since biblical days, been viewed with disdain and rightfully so. Thank you sir for your willingness to "help" this individual.  Please don’t offer any of your help to me……I am sure I will not be needing any of it! Scooby RCP, EMT-P Perinatal-Pediatric Respiratory Specialist This mail is a natural product.  The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.

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Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run. Thank Please advise john

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Hi John Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack.

i am an asthmatic athlete john, i regularly beat the hell out of non-asthmatics at most things and love my sport – i would rather see you try and run if you are well enough and get your asthma under control…….but personally i am against making people do anything if they don’t want to….. so i’ll help you but you’ve got to read and think about what i’ve written……cos somewhere in there is how to get out of running if you really have to. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run.

i know it’s hard to run at times, but at other times it’s not – if you can get your asthma under control – which scared the hell out of me for a while, but it can be fairly easy once you know what to do and what not to do – you will be surprised how well you can perform. exercise can be good for your asthma if done right. but when your asthma is bad you should not be exercising, you coach should know this and let you do something else when you are ill – if your coach is giving you a hard time when you should not be doing exercise you need to speak to your parents about it, not try and get out of it……or get him to email me. i’m trying to develop a website with help and links about exercise and fact i’m worried it might end up on ‘web pages that suck’, but i need time to learn more about how to make my fonts appear like i want them and html and graphics. if you are using a peak flow meter – just don’t blow as hard as usual – your readings will be lower and you can get out of running. so have a look at the site if you want but it’s not finished it’s ‘under construction’ don’t be upset if people don’t answer your post, they are worried and don’t want you to do something you will regret. if you have problems with your asthma don’t be afraid to post here people will help you. Rich. www.exercise4asthma.cjb.net

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i have chronic pain in the whole of the back to the extent of    severe depression .please help me and oblige. kk

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Path: i have chronic pain in the whole of the back to the extent of    severe depression .please help me and oblige. kk

Perahps you could see a doctor that specialises in pain management. Or tell your regular doctor what’s up. Medication can help. Jim Mas rapido!   http://www.geocities.com/jimstinnett/

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i have chronic pain in the whole of the back to the extent of    severe depression .please help me and oblige. kk

What exactly do you want us to do????? Samm

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FOR SHINGLES PAIN VISIT:   http://www.endoinc.com/lidodermnews.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have chronic pain in the whole of the back to the extent of    severe depression .please help me and oblige. kk

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before, but I’ve been lurking here for about 2 months.  I am a T2, and was diagnosed just over a year ago. However, I have not been taking the medication–I’m supposed to take Glyburide and Glucophage. Part of that is due to not having the money and being turned down for financial assistance.   One baby step at a time.  We can’t conquer the world in one fell swoop. I feel your desperation, there is help out there.  Write me privately with your contact information.  You can’t waste another minute.  I WILL find a way you can get your medications. And please keep reading our newsgroup — you’re learning even tho you may not think so.  When you are able, you’ll put the many suggestions into play. Best to you, and don’t delay. Jude

OK Fellow Lurkers, How’s this as an example of how this NG works, and how people like Jude do good?  Those of you who ran Joe off should reconsider. VP

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before, but I’ve been lurking here for about 2 months.  I am a T2, and was diagnosed just over a year ago. However, I have not been taking the medication–I’m supposed to take Glyburide and Glucophage. Part of that is due to not having the money and being turned down for financial assistance.   One baby step at a time.  We can’t conquer the world in one fell swoop. I feel your desperation, there is help out there.  Write me privately with your contact information.  You can’t waste another minute.  I WILL find a way you can get your medications. And please keep reading our newsgroup — you’re learning even tho you may not think so.  When you are able, you’ll put the many suggestions into play. Best to you, and don’t delay. Jude OK Fellow Lurkers, How’s this as an example of how this NG works, and how people like Jude do good?  Those of you who ran Joe off should reconsider.

That was my Mom speaking.  She’s invaded my head, so I have no choice but to show compassion. :)  Nancy was the brave one… it was hard for her to tell us what she said.  She went half way, I went half way.  No one understands how much *I* get out of these exchanges. Nor am I always the nice guy you make me out to be.  Altho these exchanges are public, they are really very personal in a way. I give Sherry hell quite often, not because I don’t like her, but because I know I can make her think hard.  Sherry in return has no problem in throwing it right back to make ME think.  We like each other and sometimes correspond privately by e-mail. She was very supportive of me when I had my falling accident and gave me the best advice I got from anyone, including my doctor. I miss Joe a lot.  I’m hoping that he did not purposely leave the group but maybe he’s having computer problems or connection problems.  His biggest asset is living with this disease and understanding that there can be no compromises.  If I remember correctly, he lost a leg to diabetes.  That’s an important perspective, one that few of us have gone thru.  I just pray he is not having more medical problems and that’s keeping him away.  Like so many of you, he’s on my my mind often. Enough for now.  Thanks everyone for being here. Jude —         Crouch Enterprises – Telecom, Internet & Unix Consulting       Oak Park, IL  708-848-0134  URL: http://www.pobox.com/~jcrouch

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Hi, I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before, but I’ve been lurking here for about 2 months.  I am a T2, and was diagnosed just over a year ago. However, I have not been taking the medication–I’m supposed to take Glyburide and Glucophage. Part of that is due to not having the money and being turned down for financial assistance.  

Get thee to a charity.  A local chapter of the Diabetes Association, the Salvation Army, or a church/synagogue.  You need that medication and you need it NOW. And another part of me doesn’t care about this disease, even though physically, I feel horrible–no energy, constant thirst, nausea, chronic yeast infection, etc. I don’t test my blood sugar either, so I have no way of really knowing what my blood sugar levels are at any given time, other than my occasional Hemoglobin A-1C tests, which have been around 13%.

Sporadic tests do not tell a true story.  They take a snapshot. I am in counseling, and my therapist tells me I have a ‘death wish’ and that I am slowly and painfully committing suicide.  She is right.  Logically, I know I should definitely be fighting and trying to regain control of this disease. But emotionally, I just haven’t been able to do it. I struggle with clinical depression, which is probably part of the reason I haven’t been taking care of myself.  

Have you been able to get your depression medicine?  It *really* works, and is essential for many people.  Get control of your depression and you’ll likely be able to handle the stresses of diabetes control. Nothing I have tried to do in order to help myself get back on the proverbial wagon has helped, at least not on a long-term basis. And I was wondering if any of you would have any causes me to lose my sight or my feet or legs.

One baby step at a time.  We can’t conquer the world in one fell swoop. I feel your desperation, there is help out there.  Write me privately with your contact information.  You can’t waste another minute.  I WILL find a way you can get your medications. And please keep reading our newsgroup — you’re learning even tho you may not think so.  When you are able, you’ll put the many suggestions into play. Best to you, and don’t delay. Jude —         Crouch Enterprises – Telecom, Internet & Unix Consulting       Oak Park, IL  708-848-0134  URL: http://www.pobox.com/~jcrouch

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Hi, I’ve never posted to a newsgroup before, but I’ve been lurking here for about 2 months.  I am a T2, and was diagnosed just over a year ago. However, I have not been taking the medication–I’m supposed to take Glyburide and Glucophage. Part of that is due to not having the money and being turned down for financial assistance.  And another part of me doesn’t care about this disease, even though physically, I feel horrible–no energy, constant thirst, nausea, chronic yeast infection, etc. I don’t test my blood sugar either, so I have no way of really knowing what my blood sugar levels are at any given time, other than my occasional Hemoglobin A-1C tests, which have been around 13%. I am in counseling, and my therapist tells me I have a ‘death wish’ and that I am slowly and painfully committing suicide.  She is right.  Logically, I know I should definitely be fighting and trying to regain control of this disease. But emotionally, I just haven’t been able to do it. I struggle with clinical depression, which is probably part of the reason I haven’t been taking care of myself.  Nothing I have tried to do in order to help myself get back on the proverbial wagon has helped, at least not on a long-term basis. And I was wondering if any of you would have any causes me to lose my sight or my feet or legs. Thank You.

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I have a Suburban 2500 and by mistake to 65 mph it happens of 3 to setback, the suburban stopped at once and they lit all the lights of the board, I gave him outburst and it seemed all normal one, now it doesn’t have setback, I place the lever in " R " and it is as if it was in Neutral. Can somebody help me in what I should make? Thank you Sorry my poor english

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You very need much a translator…..

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I need help with my children. I am having communication problems with them.I am not very close to them even though they are still young. what am I doing wrong. I have 5 of them. thanks, cynthia

Perhaps you could give us some more information to go on. What form does this problem take? Do they ignore you when you speak to them? Are they disobedient? Do you feel frustration and don’t know how to communicate that appropriately? You say you are not very close. What are their ages? What makes you feel you are not close? Don’t be too hard on yourself. It may be that your situation is not so different as you think. Many parents experience this sort of feeling from time to time. It is not necessarily somethiing you are doing wrong. Perhaps you do not perceive certain positive things in your situation. Perhaps there is something simple which you might do to change the situation. A number of people on this news group would like to help, but we need a little more information to work with. Keep up your courage. –Ed Dickerson

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Go back to some of the old tricks you used when they were younger.  Count to 10 before replying, restate to them whatever comment they made to be sure you understood what they were actually telling you, etc.  Or, ask their advice as to how to solve the problem. Good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need help with my children. I am having communication problems with them.I am not very close to them even though they are still young. what am I doing wrong. I have 5 of them. thanks, cynthia

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I need help with my children. I am having communication problems with them.I am not very close to them even though they are still young. what am I doing wrong. I have 5 of them. thanks, cynthia

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

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 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

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 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

Response:

The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

Response:

The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

Response:

The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

Response:

The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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The best exercises for the lefthand is to start on the E-string..B-string if you have a 5, and go through all the possible finger patterns on all strings, from open string to the 12 fret…higher if you like, i.e. 1234 1243 1324 etc, There is an article in a previous issue of bassplayer magazine with all combinations written out, search the BP archive. hgr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If some one can help me please :i need some good exercises for fingers and thanks

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i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance                                                     jay

Response:

 Maybe you should call your article, "am I really smart?"

: i’m writing an essay titled "are dogs really smart?" in need some help any : info would be very much apprecated thanks in advance :                                                     jay — Elaine Gallegos

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i have had acne since i was  10 and im 24 now i have had bad luck with my skin as of lately it is awefull  little white bumps all over my face and down to my chest i have been on all sorts of birth control; pills to try to clean it up (i need to be on the pill i have 2 kids already) now i am on demulen 21 i have been on tryphasil 21  and a bunch of other ones every one making my skin worse i do not want to change pills again i have changed my pill 4 times in the last 2 years do you know of anyway to help me????? sandra

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Hi Sandra do NOT give up hope have you ever heard of Diane 35 ? or have you ever considered accutane?? It seems as though you have not tryed any of these GREAT acne treatments, I hope you do and achieve great results like others do. good luck…..Emily

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i have had acne since i was  10 and im 24 now i have had bad luck with my skin as of lately it is awefull  little white bumps all over my face and down to my chest i have been on all sorts of birth control; pills to try to clean it up (i need to be on the pill i have 2 kids already) now i am on demulen 21 i have been on tryphasil 21  and a bunch of other ones every one making my skin worse i do not want to change pills again i have changed my pill 4 times in the last 2 years do you know of anyway to help me????? sandra

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Hi Sandra do NOT give up hope have you ever heard of Diane 35 ? or have you ever considered accutane?? It seems as though you have not tryed any of these GREAT acne treatments, I hope you do and achieve great results like others do. good luck…..Emily

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If you want to help me-find me and kill me-I deserve to die-my life is worthless-I want to die-I will not listen to any of you-tried it all-death is my salvation-kill me

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Dear Steve, If you want to help me-find me and kill me-I deserve to die-my life is worthless-I want to die-I will not listen to any of you-tried it all-death is my salvation-kill me

You are not worthless, although you may feel that way now. I have been there too…The pain can be suffocating, all encompassing, neverending…but it can and does pass. BP illness has destroyed many lives but it is not a "given" that we have to succumb to it. Finding the "right" meds to help us achieve some stability is an arduous and frustrating experience. I have been going through that process now, after nearly 2 years of treatment. I have had over 4 months of an intractable depression where I prayed for death on a daily basis. Finally, a med has been found that is helping me.."Parnate" and old MAO antidepressant (AD) and now I can actually see the light at the end of a very long tunnel. For the record , I have had untreated BP illness for over 30 years..a living hell at times. I was misdiagnosed as having unipolar depression…3 rounds of ECT and countless ADs…none of which worked. I also am a recovering drunk and I have Multiple Sclerosis (MS) which has drastically altered my lifestyle. I fear becoming totally disabled…paralyzed in a wheelchair, totally depenedent on others for everything. But for now, I am still able to walk and take care of myself. If you want to share your story please do so…this is a safe place. We do understand here. There is hope Steve. Please email me anytime…We care. I care. Yours,

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I do not know who you really are other than a sick freak, but your message does not belong on a user group that helps people in emotional and medical crisis. Perhaps the postmaster or someone in the FCC could arrange to have you lose your access for gross stupidity. I can only say buzz off asshole! Carma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – = Is anybody there to help me !!!! ,  Related to sexual problem , don=92t read if not interested or minor. = I am a male 27 years old !! I am suffering from this problem for about 5 years , its a bit embarrassing to discuss it but , I need help , because it is effecting my whole life , = The problem is when I perform Sex , intercourse or masturbation especially , my whole mind goes to a sleep the feeling I connot describe to the doctors or to anyone , its a strange feeling where you get  your whole head feel stiffed and concentration and loss off memory are the main factor , don=92t want to do anything , don=92t want=  to read , talk , work , my whole system of thinking goes off , and then I have to take rest a lot I feel sleepy , but not a good sleep , breaking or dream full sleeps , when you woke up next morning you feel very tired and the whole body especially head feels very stiff , and I feel my face very dry and my hands very dry I feel like to put cream moisturiser on and on , my face goes very pale and dull , the dark circle under the eyes come out , I feel like I am getting skinny , my hand wrist watch gives me the idea that my wrist is shrinking !!!! = please help me = please keep it confidential , because in my society to discuss sex , even the problem related to sex is a very bad act !!! = From : Aamir Khan = Take Care Of Yourself

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Is anybody there to help me !!!! ,  Related to sexual problem , don

Another Newbie!!

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Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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Welcome to the group TJ. I wish you great success. As you’ve seen there is a lot of great support and advice to benefit from. Keep posting, as it truly helps. Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

– 214/192.5/190 Lowfat/Lowcal since Aug 26

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Welcome TJ.  I’m sure you’ll be able to get all the advice you need from this group. Beverly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years. Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated. I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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welcome to the group TJ! i hope to see you posting frequently! — read and post everyday, its a commitment! rosie of others heavier                              bill w. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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Welcome to ASD, TJ! Your body will get used to all the water and soon you will not be needing all the trips to the loo.  But in the meantime look at it this way…your body is flushing out its plumbing system.  Also, I think you will find that the water will eventually curb the sweet tooth.  I know my sugar cravings are way down since I started in on the water.  I will have a piece of s.f. hard candy after a meal, but I think that is more out of habit than anything else.  Also, the more water you drink, the less you will want the pop.  In fact, I can’t even bring myself to drink pop anymore!  It is waaaay too sweet (I always drank diet) and I cringe when I think of all the artificial colorings I would be pumping through my kidneys!  *shiver* I’m looking forward to more of your posts, too! :o ) — Lisa B. 243/216.5/160 We  cannot  become what we need to be by remaining where we are.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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Hi TJ and welcome to ASD.  Be sure to read the FAQ at http://asd.dozer.com . Let us know what we can do to help you.  You are definitely welcome to Y2K. Sounds like you know the scoop on that.  Let me know if you’d like a copy of the Excel spreadsheet for tracking your minutes.  I too gained my weight from not eating enough and it’s still difficult for me to keep my calories up day to day.  But I’m trying.  And drinking water is definitely vital. It’s not quite every 15 minutes, but I still visit the powder room quite often!  I’m used to it though.  Anyhow, let us know what we can do to help. Katie 183/165/163 Y4K:  1450  /4000 — To reply by e-mail, take out all the x’s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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Hi TJ.  Glad to have you with us. — claudia 565/355/157 To email me remove the potatoes Tipletter Writer for Dieting CyberTip4theDay Subscribe today:  http://www.CyberTip4theDay.com For hundreds of free low-fat recipes and info visit Claudia’s Corner http://dietchef.ecorp.net For a calorie-free laugh http://trollarchive.onza.net

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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welcome to ASD TJ! enjoy your stay *toasts you with a bottle of water* Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

– on the road of life, there are many speedbumps–most of them chocolate

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Hi TJ Welcome and keep us posted! Cindy H. 132/132/110

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Well come to ASD, TJ. — Joke from Holland 264/228/150

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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You’re going to do fine!  Have you asked for an asthma test?  I know I’ve been repeating myself about this but I didn’t realize that just being tired can be a sign of it until some recent news stories.   On the other hand, it could be an adjustment thing.  Go for it! Cheers Patty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have been reading for some time now and decided to crawl out of my little hole.  I have gained 25lbs in the past year and have been trying (unsuccessfully) to lose it and optimistically more.  A bit of background: I am 5′5",  used to hover in the 130’s until an eating disorder (anorexia) took over my life.  My lowest weight was 89lbs, which I remained at for about 5 months before landing in the hospital with pneumonia.  Managed to gain some back and stay at about 105lbs for several years.  Then…….let the fun begin, I just kept gaining and gaining and managed to hover around 150.  Got pregnant, puffed up to 200 then lost 40 through diet and lots of exercise.  Then in the last year since I returned to work I put on 25 for new total of 185, that is where I am now.  I truly believe I gained so much weight not from eating too much but from not eating enough, I hardly ate anything (plenty of bad things), some days I would eat just a bagel and 3 cokes.  See crap! I know that I screwed up my metabolism big time,  and I have just recently had several blood tests done, thyroid, anemia…..and they all came back just dandy even though I still feel exhausted all the time and bloated.  I am taking a hiatus from my job for 6 months and going to focus on me me me! I want to be healthy again. I love the way you support each other and that is what I need right  now, support and advice.  I started exercising again last month, I am sucking down minimum 80oz of water(yuck), and trying to avoid that evil soda, I am a full blown Coke (a cola) addict!!  I have sugary food cravings all the time, not chocolate, but licorice and skittles and sweet tarts.  I am trying to change my WOE and have found it difficult at times but I have made a commitment to myself to stick with it.  I am shooting for a healthy bodied 145lbs, that is where I have always felt most comfortable. I am on my way, I feel pumped ! I would love to take part in the Y2K challenge if it is not too late, I was kinda keeping track of my minutes with a few coworkers but now that I will not see them anymore I would love to get on the bus with you guys!  I have to go potty AGAIN, does this urge to purge every 15 minutes mellow out after your body gets used to all the water or do I need to invest in a catheter and leg bag? : )  Anyhoo, look forward to joining the gang, posting and supporting! — TJ (185/185/145)

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It would be very difficult to fake it. What they read on the test is the pattern of airflow. If you simply give less effort this will show up as a different pattern than if you have asthma. Peak flows are a different story. — Good Luck, CBI, M.D.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run. Thank Please advise john

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Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run. Thank Please advise john

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Is there any way to fail the asthma test where u are ask to blow in to a small tester to see if u are having a asthma attack. The thing is that i want to fail the test even after taking my  ventolin inhaler. cos if i pass the second round of the test after taking my inhaler i would be force to run the feild. You know would it be like asking a asthmatic person to run.

Who is forcing you to run what field?  And who is doing the testing? If you have EIA, this might be quite dangerous; if you don’t, it may very well not be . . . I have known several marathoners who were asthmatic.  Why don’t you discuss this issue with your doctor? Chris Owens

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