Why buy ozone machine? Ozone is bad.
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Dear Cynic Who are you anyway, what is your motivation? and do you have asthma? Of course you need not answer any of these questions. Chilla Cynic said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m the Sucker that wont go away! Guranteed!
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Allan , Tell your story to the tens of thousands of happy Alpine owners from around the world that absolutely have not ever had a problem with the very low amounts of natural ozone that these air purifiers produce. These units have been selling like wildfire for years and years because the people that operate them ,love them. There are also tens of thousands of alpine users that will tell you that they think that they feel better when the air purifiers are running. So tell me something. Why aren’t these same people dying , getting sick, or sueing the company for health problems incurred by operating their air purifiers? Its either all of these thousands and thousands of happy air purifier owners are indeed stupid as you state or these people are not stupid and these air purifiers really work! For your information the federal goverment has not ever attacked Alpine because the units are unsafe or dangerous. The Alpine units are safe by goverment standards because they produce only very low amounts of ozone that are well below the goverment standards. The goverment went after Alpine because of claims that were made that could not be backed up by scientific proof. I agree that Alpine really screwed up in that matter even though many thousands of Alpine owners will still back up Alpines old claims. Alpine is now doing what they should have done a long time ago.They are actively testing their air purifiers at medical labs and by scientists from John Hopkins Universty and other environmental safety specialist testing facilities. The latest update in march showed promising results in quickly reducing fungi,airborne bacteria, smoke ,odors and VOCs from areas that were tested. In time I feel that Alpine will be able to back up many more of the old claims with scientific proven facts. I also want to state that I have never pushed ozone -ionizer air purifier units to people with asthma. I provide information on all of our products and on different allergy / asthma related subjects. This one stands out because of the controversy on the newsgroups. I will say that the people that have purchased these units from my company enjoy them . Cigar smokers really love them because of their fantastic ability to quickly remove Cigar Smoke And the Cigar Odors! Mostly I recommend our Austin Air Healthmate and Care 2000 HEPA air cleaners to my customers that have Asthma. These HEPA air cleaners work better in smaller areas like bedrooms and smaller living rooms because the HEPA air cleaners will quickly clear the room of allergens by pulling the particals into the machine itself . The better brand names such as the Austin Air Healthmate and Care 2000 HEPA air cleaners will do this at a much higher rate of air exchange per hour then the cheap dept store units. The Radio ionizers in the Alpine models will quickly drop smoke and particals out of the air to the ground ,thus removing these particals from the floating breathing environment.The radio ionizer will drop particals right through the walls up to 50 linear feet These units are best used in larger areas such as large living -dining room area where its good enough to drop the floating particals out of the air and where even a top quality HEPA air cleaner could not provide an adequate air exchange rate per hour. Many people will use their Alpine in the living room area and also use a good HEPA air cleaner in the bedroom areas for extra control of allergens. Allan you dont know me and you have no idea how I work with my customers. If you did, I doubt that you would call me a vulture. I have always been honest and I have many repeat customers and customer referrals due to the good service that I have always provided to them.You dont have to agree with my veiws, but I can tell you that many other people would not agree with yours either.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I suppose that there are some people who are stupid enough to ignore every health organization and the federal courts, and spend exhorbitant amounts of money for an lung-destroying ozone air cleaner from a snake oil salesman like you. I’ve just never seen anyone on this newsgroup who is also stupid enough to admit having done so. The bottom line is: barry shamelessly makes money by selling dangerous products to people with asthma, and then claims to be offended when we point it out. What a vulture… Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Every time I post a reply to you or anyone else ,readers click on my website link to view my great lines of aircleaners and other allergy products.They see our low prices with free shipping and then they call for more info or to place their orders.When they call me,we joke about your posts. If you could comprehend how much business your crazy posts really bring in to me you wouldn’t keep sending them in. The real truth is Cynic,you cant stop because your a compulsieve low life nut case that has to get in the last word or it just tears you apart inside! Your a sorry joke! Everyone in here can read you like a book. A Comic Book! I enjoy playing you because your such a SUCKER! The funny thing is, you cant stop yourself. Your so sick,your now just playing yourself! Your on auto pilot, YOU SORRY JOKE! Keep up the good work! Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL. gee Barry, the only reason we knew it wasnt you, is because they didnt use your URL, but something that looked like it! Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field. Industrial Classes! P.S. Glad to help out your business. Probably you and your customers are laughing while your taking Bags of Money to the Bank. All kidding aside, your posts are nothing but an Unprofessional Mess. When are you ever going to learn? I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life! True and Half True, you give out Shit Advice! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all ! Two University Science Degrees, I was trained to think and learn. And have Two Specific Specialties, however you have a limited number of Industrial Classes you can point to on a Cheap Certificate. If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!} Actually 3.4 in my last University degree, 3.1 in my first University Degree. I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!! I give you an A for effort Barry, but your a dim Bulb, and you’ll never get it! BTW, I think you enjoy this more than I do. and Glad to help your business!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Every time I post a reply to you or anyone else ,readers click on my website link to view my great lines of aircleaners and other allergy products.They see our low prices with free shipping and then they call for more info or to place their orders.When they call me,we joke about your posts. If you could comprehend how much business your crazy posts really bring in to me you wouldn’t keep sending them in. The real truth is Cynic,you cant stop because your a compulsieve low life nut case that has to get in the last word or it just tears you apart inside! Your a sorry joke! Everyone in here can read you like a book. A Comic Book! I enjoy playing you because your such a SUCKER! The funny thing is, you cant stop yourself. Your so sick,your now just playing yourself! Your on auto pilot, YOU SORRY JOKE! Keep up the good work!
I’m the Sucker that wont go away! Guranteed! You earned it,….remember the Tannic Acid Nut!
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Well, I suppose that there are some people who are stupid enough to ignore every health organization and the federal courts, and spend exhorbitant amounts of money for an lung-destroying ozone air cleaner from a snake oil salesman like you. I’ve just never seen anyone on this newsgroup who is also stupid enough to admit having done so. The bottom line is: barry shamelessly makes money by selling dangerous products to people with asthma, and then claims to be offended when we point it out. What a vulture… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Every time I post a reply to you or anyone else ,readers click on my website link to view my great lines of aircleaners and other allergy products.They see our low prices with free shipping and then they call for more info or to place their orders.When they call me,we joke about your posts. If you could comprehend how much business your crazy posts really bring in to me you wouldn’t keep sending them in. The real truth is Cynic,you cant stop because your a compulsieve low life nut case that has to get in the last word or it just tears you apart inside! Your a sorry joke! Everyone in here can read you like a book. A Comic Book! I enjoy playing you because your such a SUCKER! The funny thing is, you cant stop yourself. Your so sick,your now just playing yourself! Your on auto pilot, YOU SORRY JOKE! Keep up the good work! Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL. gee Barry, the only reason we knew it wasnt you, is because they didnt use your URL, but something that looked like it! Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field. Industrial Classes! P.S. Glad to help out your business. Probably you and your customers are laughing while your taking Bags of Money to the Bank. All kidding aside, your posts are nothing but an Unprofessional Mess. When are you ever going to learn? I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life! True and Half True, you give out Shit Advice! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all ! Two University Science Degrees, I was trained to think and learn. And have Two Specific Specialties, however you have a limited number of Industrial Classes you can point to on a Cheap Certificate. If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!} Actually 3.4 in my last University degree, 3.1 in my first University Degree. I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!! I give you an A for effort Barry, but your a dim Bulb, and you’ll never get it! BTW, I think you enjoy this more than I do. and Glad to help your business!
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Every time I post a reply to you or anyone else ,readers click on my website link to view my great lines of aircleaners and other allergy products.They see our low prices with free shipping and then they call for more info or to place their orders.When they call me,we joke about your posts. If you could comprehend how much business your crazy posts really bring in to me you wouldn’t keep sending them in. The real truth is Cynic,you cant stop because your a compulsieve low life nut case that has to get in the last word or it just tears you apart inside! Your a sorry joke! Everyone in here can read you like a book. A Comic Book! I enjoy playing you because your such a SUCKER! The funny thing is, you cant stop yourself. Your so sick,your now just playing yourself! Your on auto pilot, YOU SORRY JOKE! Keep up the good work! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL. gee Barry, the only reason we knew it wasnt you, is because they didnt use your URL, but something that looked like it! Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field. Industrial Classes! P.S. Glad to help out your business. Probably you and your customers are laughing while your taking Bags of Money to the Bank. All kidding aside, your posts are nothing but an Unprofessional Mess. When are you ever going to learn? I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life! True and Half True, you give out Shit Advice! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all ! Two University Science Degrees, I was trained to think and learn. And have Two Specific Specialties, however you have a limited number of Industrial Classes you can point to on a Cheap Certificate. If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!} Actually 3.4 in my last University degree, 3.1 in my first University Degree. I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!! I give you an A for effort Barry, but your a dim Bulb, and you’ll never get it! BTW, I think you enjoy this more than I do. and Glad to help your business!
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL.
gee Barry, the only reason we knew it wasnt you, is because they didnt use your URL, but something that looked like it! Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field.
Industrial Classes! P.S. Glad to help out your business. Probably you and your customers are laughing while your taking Bags of Money to the Bank. All kidding aside, your posts are nothing but an Unprofessional Mess. When are you ever going to learn? I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life!
True and Half True, you give out Shit Advice! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all !
Two University Science Degrees, I was trained to think and learn. And have Two Specific Specialties, however you have a limited number of Industrial Classes you can point to on a Cheap Certificate. If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!}
Actually 3.4 in my last University degree, 3.1 in my first University Degree. I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!!
I give you an A for effort Barry, but your a dim Bulb, and you’ll never get it! BTW, I think you enjoy this more than I do. and Glad to help your business!
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Boy this guy knows how to put his best foot forward for customers. I would suggest anyone interested in air cleaners, do themselves a favor and get Consumers Report, so you can purchase a TOP rated model at a local reputable retailer, like Sears. You will save hundreds of dollars and will be able to return the item if you are not satisfied. Please ask the dealer below if he will return your money if you are not satisfied.. — Mike Cem
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL. Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field.I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all ! If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!} I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!! Thanks for the support, basically Barry has promoted Ozone AirCleaners to Asthmatics, and when someone posts as him promoting one for an Asthmatic Baby, then he gets bent out of shape…..but wont exactly say why? Then he flip flops today, and says he hasnt promoted them to asthmatics but defends their use as safe and effective. On top of all this he’s an Uneducated Sales Hack trying to pass out his more than questionable professional advice ( as a Device Installer: HVAC, etc.) as ‘State of the Art’ knowledge to be taken akin to Medical Advice. Basically Barry is a Mechanic, who has taken some industrial classes and doesnt even have an elementary Community College Science background, nor even 1yrs worth of Credit toward an A.A. The guy is a complete fraud within the context of this newsgroup, and until he comes clean… I wont fade away! Haven’t you noticed your total isolation yet? Are you so ignorant that you are incapable of discerning your own position as a pariah here? Let’s see, you sell ozone air cleaners for income and claim their benefits–everyone else, the government and myriad health organizations have condemned them as either dangerous (excessive ozone) or ineffective (any output low enough [zero, really] to be safe is useless in cleaning). You’ve never refuted any of this with credible science, just made a load of scamming marketing claims as all the other web-vultures who spam. Thanks Cynic, for the continuing vigilance… Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com Is that the best that you can do Cynic? Your nothing but a low life loser that is a pathological liar. I now totally believe that you are the scum that has been posting lies on the newsgroup using my URL. Your the hack in here! Telling lies about my education. You have no idea of the extent of my experience, education and my licenses in the indoor air quality field.I think that your really a split personality nut case that has nothing better to do then to make believe that your me,by posting lies on the newsgroup. I know more about indoor air quality in my little pinkie finger then you will ever know for the rest of your sorry life! Ive been in the indoor air quality industry since 1989 and I make a great living in this field because I know my business inside out and the people that I do business with know it. What are your credentials in this field Cynic? I would bet none at all ! If you had a AA degree in anything at all ,yours would stand for Absolute Asshole!{ You could then tell everyone of your 4.0 grade average!} I think that your a nothing but a lying mentally disturbed little man with a big mouth. I bet that you cant even hold down the simplest of jobs because everyone that meets you ,cant stand you. Any fool that believes your spewing garbage is as mentally disturbed as you are, a total fool or its just you making believe that your yet another person in the newsgroup. SEEK HELP! CHECK INTO YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH HOSPITAL ASAP!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the support, basically Barry has promoted Ozone AirCleaners to Asthmatics, and when someone posts as him promoting one for an Asthmatic Baby, then he gets bent out of shape…..but wont exactly say why? Then he flip flops today, and says he hasnt promoted them to asthmatics but defends their use as safe and effective. On top of all this he’s an Uneducated Sales Hack trying to pass out his more than questionable professional advice ( as a Device Installer: HVAC, etc.) as ‘State of the Art’ knowledge to be taken akin to Medical Advice. Basically Barry is a Mechanic, who has taken some industrial classes and doesnt even have an elementary Community College Science background, nor even 1yrs worth of Credit toward an A.A. The guy is a complete fraud within the context of this newsgroup, and until he comes clean… I wont fade away! Haven’t you noticed your total isolation yet? Are you so ignorant that you are incapable of discerning your own position as a pariah here? Let’s see, you sell ozone air cleaners for income and claim their benefits–everyone else, the government and myriad health organizations have condemned them as either dangerous (excessive ozone) or ineffective (any output low enough [zero, really] to be safe is useless in cleaning). You’ve never refuted any of this with credible science, just made a load of scamming marketing claims as all the other web-vultures who spam. Thanks Cynic, for the continuing vigilance… Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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The medical evidence mounting against ozone cleaners bring to mind a simple analogy with a much longer medical study history to it, that being the harmful effects of smoking. Sure there are plenty of people who "enjoy" smoking or who otherwise gain immediate benefits of some sort from doing so, even those trying it for the first time (I mention them to eliminate the addiction aspect from this analogy, which of course doesnt apply to air cleaners I hope). Similarly, immediate benefit is gained from using an ozone producing air cleaner. And like smoking, the harmful effects take time to accumulate and, we all hope, the user never uses the product long enough for those harmful effects to severely (or even significantly…perceptible…whatever) affect their health. So it is in the best interrest of users of these products to realize that there are other means of achieving those benefits…i.e. there are other, safer products out there that will clean your air! And the sooner, the better, because the amount varies on just how many cigarettes one particular smoker needs to smoke until health problem "X" appears (whichever problem "X" appears first), and similarly just how many hours around an ozone cleaner before some health problem appears. Even today, there exist advocates that smoking is not harmful (less then, say, five years ago for sure though) and similarly there are people advocating that ozone is not harmful to breath, and since the study is not as well entrenched as the smoking study, there are more advocates of it then there will be in, say, another five or ten years. So, lets just hope that for them the lesson is communicated before it is learned the hard way through battling health problems. I am nearly done with my direct comparison of the Austin Air Healthmate and the AllerAir 5000….complete with dozens of pictures and lots of head-to-head results! Im making a web site for everyone to visit. If you are interrested, please let me know! Ill hurry it up if there is strong interrest! I have been giving previously indicated interrested parties a "first-look" at the results and they have since gone out and bought their own units based somewhat on my findings, and if you are itching to get your own high quality air cleaner and arn’t sure which to get then I can make the results available to you too as I continue to put the finishing touches on the public site! enjoy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. Everybody (even the EPA) considers those numbers obsolete. Even the EPA admits that those standards will not protect asthmatics. The plain fact of the matter is that we have provided you with overwhelming evidence that your product is unsafe, evidence that the advertising claims for it are misleading and I have even provided you with citations from source scientific references. A federal jury has ruled that you cannot claim that your product meets any specific level of ozone output because you really have no idea whether the ozone sensor in the unit even works. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case.
Everybody (even the EPA) considers those numbers obsolete. Even the EPA admits that those standards will not protect asthmatics. The plain fact of the matter is that we have provided you with overwhelming evidence that your product is unsafe, evidence that the advertising claims for it are misleading and I have even provided you with citations from source scientific references. A federal jury has ruled that you cannot claim that your product meets any specific level of ozone output because you really have no idea whether the ozone sensor in the unit even works. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Thanks for the support, basically Barry has promoted Ozone AirCleaners to Asthmatics, and when someone posts as him promoting one for an Asthmatic Baby, then he gets bent out of shape…..but wont exactly say why? Then he flip flops today, and says he hasnt promoted them to asthmatics but defends their use as safe and effective. On top of all this he’s an Uneducated Sales Hack trying to pass out his more than questionable professional advice ( as a Device Installer: HVAC, etc.) as ‘State of the Art’ knowledge to be taken akin to Medical Advice. Basically Barry is a Mechanic, who has taken some industrial classes and doesnt even have an elementary Community College Science background, nor even 1yrs worth of Credit toward an A.A. The guy is a complete fraud within the context of this newsgroup, and until he comes clean… I wont fade away! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Haven’t you noticed your total isolation yet? Are you so ignorant that you are incapable of discerning your own position as a pariah here? Let’s see, you sell ozone air cleaners for income and claim their benefits–everyone else, the government and myriad health organizations have condemned them as either dangerous (excessive ozone) or ineffective (any output low enough [zero, really] to be safe is useless in cleaning). You’ve never refuted any of this with credible science, just made a load of scamming marketing claims as all the other web-vultures who spam. Thanks Cynic, for the continuing vigilance… Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Haven’t you noticed your total isolation yet? Are you so ignorant that you are incapable of discerning your own position as a pariah here? Let’s see, you sell ozone air cleaners for income and claim their benefits–everyone else, the government and myriad health organizations have condemned them as either dangerous (excessive ozone) or ineffective (any output low enough [zero, really] to be safe is useless in cleaning). You’ve never refuted any of this with credible science, just made a load of scamming marketing claims as all the other web-vultures who spam. Thanks Cynic, for the continuing vigilance… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Whatever LameBoy! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com I dont have to attack you Cynic. You do a great job of making a total ass of yourself on your own! Plus I dont Push ozone machines to asthma sufferers. I do tell people that low low levels of ozone that most of the air purifiers on the market produce ,are at levels way below what the EPA has set their standards for ozone output. If the levels of ozone were equal to or above these standards , these air purifiers would be banned by the goverment and or would require warning labels on them. There are many thousands of asthma and allergy sufferers that have been using these air purifiers for many years without any problems at all. I do attack Cynic back because he spreads lies about me to others on the newsgroup . He does this because hes a compulsive ,obsessive mental case. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No your just weak! No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Thanks for the explanation, I was dumbfounded as to this (hate to use this word since Barry relies on it so much) Jerks behaviour. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! There are people who believe in anything that is not ‘conventional medicine.’ If doctors were recommending the Alpine product then he would be 100% against it. However, since there is substantial evidence that it does not work and even more evidence that it is dangerous, this type of person is going to be all for it. Some people really do believe that there is an impossible conspiracy by the doctors to keep us sick. BTW, I killfiled Mr. Hicks months ago. As far as I can tell he is nothing but a Diane clone. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Dear Colin What does killfiled mean? I can guess, but I do want to have your definition of it. Thanks Chilla
a killfile is a filter in the newsreader to make it ignore posts from a particular source or with a particular factor when I was job hunting, for innstance, I placed the recruitment agencies that use the usenet job groups in the killfile…then I sent the legitimate looking ones my CV and cut the number of posts I had to read from 100s to 4 or 5 each day I have only once killfiled an individual poster because of their behaviour…but I’m very tolerant and patient…it’s better to put somebody in the killfile than endlessly retread old arguments the killfile is your friend 
— eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a killfile is a filter in the newsreader to make it ignore posts from a particular source or with a particular factor when I was job hunting, for innstance, I placed the recruitment agencies that use the usenet job groups in the killfile…then I sent the legitimate looking ones my CV and cut the number of posts I had to read from 100s to 4 or 5 each day I have only once killfiled an individual poster because of their behaviour…but I’m very tolerant and patient…it’s better to put somebody in the killfile than endlessly retread old arguments the killfile is your friend — eric "the alternative to seeing things in black and white is to see them in full colour"
That was a fast response. Thankyou. Chilla
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I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me!
There are people who believe in anything that is not ‘conventional medicine.’ If doctors were recommending the Alpine product then he would be 100% against it. However, since there is substantial evidence that it does not work and even more evidence that it is dangerous, this type of person is going to be all for it. Some people really do believe that there is an impossible conspiracy by the doctors to keep us sick. BTW, I killfiled Mr. Hicks months ago. As far as I can tell he is nothing but a Diane clone. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Dear Colin What does killfiled mean? I can guess, but I do want to have your definition of it. Thanks Chilla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -BTW, I killfiled Mr. Hicks months ago. As far as I can tell he is nothing but a Diane clone.
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No your just weak! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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No, I think you two guys are twins and deserve each other. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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I think you need to explain that to Daniel Hicks also, he seems to think that Barry the Aircleever is a straight up guy in his attacks on me! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. – Theodore Roosevelt
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One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine?
The companies that sell ozone machines do so because they make money. This is the same for every other quack asthma remedy. The goal is not to treat your asthma, it is to collect as much money as possible. The people selling the stuff really do not care about the harm they cause as long as the can turn a profit. There is no place for the hyphen in our citizenship… We are a nation, not a hodge-podge of foreign nationalities. We are a people, and not a polyglot boarding house. - Theodore Roosevelt
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One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine?
Your right about ozone being bad for you lungs. Ozone is a very active oxidizing agent. It will remove come smells, kill some bacteria and participate out some dust if you have a high enough level of ozone. It is used on boats and cars with reportadly good effect. The only catch is to have any effect it has to be used a level that hurt ordinary folks not to mention us with lung problems. Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger "You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." – Wayne Gretzky
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One of the recent posts mentioned an ozone machine. Doesn’t everyone know that the ozone layer way up in the air is good, and ozone in your lungs is bad? I have to stay in all summer because of the bad ozone. Why would a company sell an ozone machine? What is their theory? I know ozone is bad for my lungs from personal experience and the summer ozone alerts that my state’s department of environmental quality issues. Why buy an ozone machine? Before you buy.
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