Diaphragmatic Breathing While Running?
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[snip] What’s the definition of an optimist? A trombone player with a pager. To continue a bit: Viola player parked in a bad neighborhood and left his viola on the back seat. When he came back, there were _three_ violas in the back seat. (Heard from fiddle player; evidently there’s an ‘issue’ between the two species.)
I heard that as a banjo joke. The same banjo player made sure that his car was locked the next time. He found out he had locked his keys in the car. Took almost an hour to get the drummer out… This one is true. My friends mom locked her keys in the car. She called her son to come get them out. He asked why she didn’t call AAA. She said she did not want to wait because it might start raining at any time. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And the top was down. . . . She is a short pudgy old lady ( and very nasty) so her request did make a certain amount of sense.
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It’s something a very large percentage of people have to be taught. It’s one of the first thing professional musicians learn. This is true. As slow and unspectacular as I have generally performed as a distance runner in my second running phase of life these past two years, it was a big help to me to have been a musician all these years, so that my breathing ability was a real asset right from the start, as I began to face hard running workouts. chris
That was close. I never expected musicians. I almost said something about banjo players, accordions and drummers.
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It’s one of the first thing professional musicians learn.
Proper breathing can really make a violin scream! "Make no mistake about it! Without humor, freedom would drive you insane." Bill I am so cool, that sheep count ME before they go to sleep. http://hometown.aol.com/mrrobottow/
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That was close. I never expected musicians. I almost said something about banjo players, accordions and drummers.
Not to worry, no one can make fun of musicians more pointedly than other musicians, so you probably can’t bruise us. My wife, among 15 other things a banjo player, has an all-time favorite Gary Larsen cartoon in which a conductor goes to hell and finds he will be directing an orchestra of, yes, banjo players. As for drummers, there are so many jokes, so little time. How can you tell a drummer is at the front door? The knocking gets faster. (this is insider stuff but you get the drift, pun intended). Accordion. Almost doesn’t need a joke, does it? How do you make a guitar player play more softly? Put music in front of him. What’s the definition of an optimist? A trombone player with a pager. Now you see why musicians run. One of the targets of one of our self-directed jokes might be gaining on us. But we know how to breathe, so we stay just ahead of the gunfire. Or accordion music. 
Chris
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Any chance belly breathing while running will help with low back muscular pain? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, as David said, breathing "lower" is good running technique. In fact, many inexperienced runners come to this realization (or maybe never do) through the negative experience of cramps and other problems associated with shallow (upper chest) breathing while under the duress of running fast or running long. I had this conversation last night with my 18-yr-old son as he huffed and puffed through a mile run with me and he got some relief right away from breathing "lower." -chris I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl
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Why do bagpipers always march while they play? They are trying to get away from the noise. "Make no mistake about it! Without humor, freedom would drive you insane." Bill I am so cool, that sheep count ME before they go to sleep. http://hometown.aol.com/mrrobottow/
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(Heard from fiddle player; evidently there’s an ‘issue’ between the two species.) Yes, but then there’s this: what’s the difference between a fiddle and a viola? A fiddle burns faster.
Q: Why is a viola better than a fiddle? A: Viola burns longer. — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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To continue a bit: Viola player parked in a bad neighborhood and left his viola on the back seat. When he came back, there were _three_ violas in the back seat. (Heard from fiddle player; evidently there’s an ‘issue’ between the two species.)
Yes, but then there’s this: what’s the difference between a fiddle and a viola? A fiddle burns faster.
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[snip] What’s the definition of an optimist? A trombone player with a pager.
To continue a bit: Viola player parked in a bad neighborhood and left his viola on the back seat. When he came back, there were _three_ violas in the back seat. (Heard from fiddle player; evidently there’s an ‘issue’ between the two species.) — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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Duh! I’ve only been doing it the wrong way for 22 years. How dumb am I?!
LOL, don’t be so hard on yourself!! I am lucky, as a working singer/songwriter of about 13 years, I was down with the belly breathing long before I ran a single step. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "It is necessary to run as many miles or kilometers as you possibly can at economic or aerobic speeds to lift your oxygen uptake to your highest possible level as the foundation upon which to base your anaerobic or speed training." Arthur Lydiard http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/home.html –
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It’s something a very large percentage of people have to be taught. It’s one of the first thing professional musicians learn. This is true. As slow and unspectacular as I have generally performed as a distance runner in my second running phase of life these past two years, it was a big help to me to have been a musician all these years, so that my breathing ability was a real asset right from the start, as I began to face hard running workouts. chris
I hadn’t thought about this but it fits. I’ve been a musician (including horns early on) for quite a while and belly breathing was what I did while running from the beginning – nary a stitch, yet. Good catch, Michael. Layne The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl Yes, belly breathing is how you are supposed to breathe while running, actually. Duh! I’ve only been doing it the wrong way for 22 years. How dumb am I?!
About as dumb as 87% of the western population! Can’t recall where the statistic comes from (an asthma institute somewhere) or what population they used to create this norm (Nordic I think) but it seems that most people learn to breathe with the upper diaphragm only very early in life – before the age of six or seven. Singers, woodwind players, yoga students, martial artists and a few other groups all tend to use full diaphragm breathing of a variety of types. Many women learn some diaphragm control (the breathing kind, cos it’s too late for the other kind for them!) when they take antenatal classes. Using the muscles of the stomach to ‘anchor’ the breath is a common technique to correct the tendency to stitches when running. In yoga we focus on the out-breath rather than the in and count our breathing out-in, out-in, rather than the western in-out way. This encourages us to empty the lungs fully before filling them with new air. It’s one of the simplest ways to lengthen and strengthen the breath and all you have to do is contract the stomach muscles slightly at the end of the out-breath to encourage all the air to leave your lungs. Women may like to add a pelvic floor lift to the stomach contraction for all round perfect callisthenics! Kay
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It’s something a very large percentage of people have to be taught. It’s one of the first thing professional musicians learn.
This is true. As slow and unspectacular as I have generally performed as a distance runner in my second running phase of life these past two years, it was a big help to me to have been a musician all these years, so that my breathing ability was a real asset right from the start, as I began to face hard running workouts. chris
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I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl
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I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl
Yes, belly breathing is how you are supposed to breathe while running, actually. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "It is necessary to run as many miles or kilometers as you possibly can at economic or aerobic speeds to lift your oxygen uptake to your highest possible level as the foundation upon which to base your anaerobic or speed training." Arthur Lydiard http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/home.html –
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Yes, as David said, breathing "lower" is good running technique. In fact, many inexperienced runners come to this realization (or maybe never do) through the negative experience of cramps and other problems associated with shallow (upper chest) breathing while under the duress of running fast or running long. I had this conversation last night with my 18-yr-old son as he huffed and puffed through a mile run with me and he got some relief right away from breathing "lower." -chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl Yes, belly breathing is how you are supposed to breathe while running, actually.
Duh! I’ve only been doing it the wrong way for 22 years. How dumb am I?! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "It is necessary to run as many miles or kilometers as you possibly can at economic or aerobic speeds to lift your oxygen uptake to your highest possible level as the foundation upon which to base your anaerobic or speed training." Arthur Lydiard http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/home.html –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently learned how to breathe with my belly for meditation and it seems to work wonders for relaxation and releasing the low back muscles. (You fill the belly when you inhale as opposed to your chest.) Does anybody know if there are any benefits to "belly breathing" during running? I tried it a bit yesterday, and while it takes work, it is possible. I’m sure you one could eventually habituate it although I don’t know if it is advisable or if there are any benefits. Any wisdom on this? Thanks, Karl Yes, belly breathing is how you are supposed to breathe while running, actually. Duh! I’ve only been doing it the wrong way for 22 years. How dumb am I?!
It’s something a very large percentage of people have to be taught. It’s one of the first thing professional musicians learn. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "It is necessary to run as many miles or kilometers as you possibly can at economic or aerobic speeds to lift your oxygen uptake to your highest possible level as the foundation upon which to base your anaerobic or speed training." Arthur Lydiard http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/home.html –
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