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Well, you don’t have to order the newsletters or web site access.  Putting that aside, I was just asking if anyone went by his Weight Loss Tips CD (which is included free with the book purchase).  He gives over 20 tips of which a few I have researched from other sources and seem to be consistent. Some tips are very basic like drinking more filtered water, doing an hour of walking per day, etc.  I was just wondering if these tips have worked for anyone. I’m almost half way through the book and there is a lot that makes sense. I.e. Why are we being overwhelmed with pharmaceutical commercials/advertisments?  Do we really need a pill for everything?  Lots of money at stake.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m currently reading the Natural Cures book by Kevin Trudeau.  It’s very interesting and he also included a book on CD for weight loss.  He gives over 20 tips to losing weight.  Although I only would like to lose a few pounds to trim up, I was wondering if anyone else had an experience with it. I’d like to give that info to others. Thanks, Mike Most people I know that have said they read the book say it’s a scam. He doesn’t actually give you the cures but tells you to go to his site, where you must pay out the nose, to get the cures. I don’t want to do business with a felon like him. Check out this article, it says exactly what you say: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9006287/ “Bates, and other consumers, now say they were had. There are hundreds of angry posts on Amazon.com’s page devoted to "Natural Cures." And about a dozen New York consumers have now contacted the New York State Consumer Protection Board. "The book is just gobbledygook. There’s nothing in it. He doesn’t say what the cures are," Bates said. Instead, Bates said, on page after page the book urges readers to head to Trudeau’s Web site, NaturalCures.com. Consumers must pay $10 a month to use the site. And for those calling the toll free number to purchase the book, operators work hard to tack on a Web site subscription. ” Like you, I do not want to do business with liars. — 223/174.7/180

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Hello, I’m currently reading the Natural Cures book by Kevin Trudeau.  It’s very interesting and he also included a book on CD for weight loss.  He gives over 20 tips to losing weight.  Although I only would like to lose a few pounds to trim up, I was wondering if anyone else had an experience with it. I’d like to give that info to others. Thanks, Mike

Most people I know that have said they read the book say it’s a scam. He doesn’t actually give you the cures but tells you to go to his site, where you must pay out the nose, to get the cures. I don’t want to do business with a felon like him.

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All links in your 2nd link I got "page not found".  Are you able to view these cases?  I can’t. Maybe he was involved in some questionable activities in the past but his book seems to make sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m currently reading the Natural Cures book by Kevin Trudeau.  It’s very interesting and he also included a book on CD for weight loss.  He gives over 20 tips to losing weight.  Although I only would like to lose a few pounds to trim up, I was wondering if anyone else had an experience with it. I’d like to give that info to others. Are you referring to the infomercial scammer Kevin Trudeau?    http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/felon.htm    http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/ftc_trudeaulinks.htm i

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Hello, I’m currently reading the Natural Cures book by Kevin Trudeau.  It’s very interesting and he also included a book on CD for weight loss.  He gives over 20 tips to losing weight.  Although I only would like to lose a few pounds to trim up, I was wondering if anyone else had an experience with it. I’d like to give that info to others. Thanks, Mike

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 But eating healthy is very difficult to figure out.

It is not that hard to figure out. Drink plenty of water and eat unprocessed foods.

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I meant that from the stand point of the supermarket.  In my store there is a limited supply of organic vegetables and fruits, the meats most likely are pumped up with hormones (there are no organic meats stated) and just about everything else is in a box, can or bag.  How can you eat healthy?  No easy and that’s what I meant by difficult.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  But eating healthy is very difficult to figure out. It is not that hard to figure out. Drink plenty of water and eat unprocessed foods.

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I meant that from the stand point of the supermarket.  In my store there is a limited supply of organic vegetables and fruits, the meats most likely are pumped up with hormones (there are no organic meats stated) and just about everything else is in a box, can or bag.  How can you eat healthy? No easy and that’s what I meant by difficult.

If you can afford it purchase your fruits and veggies from the limited supply of organics. Decrease your consumption of meats and eat more fish. I’ve totally stopped eating beef and pork and eat only fish, poultry, seafood and on occasion, lamb and bison (as my substitute for red meat).  A fillet of fish is the perfect portion size for a meal.  I’m going to try venison and emu soon. The lamb and bison I get are grassfed and not pumped full of hormones.  The store I will be getting my venison and emu from is a health food store and they assure me the meat is hormone free and grassfed.  It is a little costly, yes but I am not going in and buying massive quantities of the meat. I’m getting just enough of a portion of each to try it out to see how I will like it. Quit eating things from boxes and bags (except sugarfree frozen fruits and veggies) as those are processed and no good for you anyway.  Try to find a Farmer’s market or a local grower and purchase some things from either or both.  Find a good health food store. They have sales on healthy foods from time to time.  Start your own garden in the warmer months if you can. I do a little container gardening in my backyard because I rent and the landlord will not let me take up a portion of the lawn in my yard to plant a small garden.  Also buy Omega 3 eggs if you can.  They are only a few cents more then the other eggs in the store and better for you.  I’d rather pay the extra cost to have the best ones anyway. It’s not that difficult to eat healthy or as healthy as you *can* afford to……after all, it is your body and you decide what to put into it or not put into it. At first I found eating this way difficult but once I wrapped my brain around it, I found it wasn’t difficult at all. I just had to find a way to remove the roadblocks and I did that.

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I totally understand your feeling based on his history.  It does seem sketchy at best.  And I’m not here to defend him or his book but just telling you what I understand it as. According to Kevin the scammers are: the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, government, foundations, doctors (who don’t teach about nutrition, etc.).  I try to check other sources and a lot adds up to what he says.  He gives lots of examples. As far as his tips, I’d have to listen to the CD and write them down but a few I can think of are: cleansing using distilled water, 64oz filtered water per day after that, eat organic only, processed stuff stay away from, colon cleansing, remove ‘bad’ yeast (candida) from the intestinal tract, walk an hour/day (outside), no pork, 8 hours sleep, reduce stress, positive thoughts.  I can’t remember all.  There were over 20 tips. He may have had a ‘interesting’ past but I’m trying to take the stuff that seems to make sense.  He brings out great points.  If the USA is supposed to be so advanced in health/medical why are we the most obese nation.  The food industry hooks us in with hormones, processed foods and gets us in a negative state and then the pharmaceutical companies are there with a pill to help (with lots of side affects).  They got you (and your money).  Eat healthy, exercise and avoid the docs!  But eating healthy is very difficult to figure out.  There are lots of misleadning info out there.  I’ve started to look closer when I go to the supermarket.  Unless you live on your own farm, you don’t know what you’re getting. Hope that helps…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you don’t have to order the newsletters or web site access. Putting that aside, I was just asking if anyone went by his Weight Loss Tips CD (which is included free with the book purchase).  He gives over 20 tips of which a few I have researched from other sources and seem to be consistent. Some tips are very basic like drinking more filtered water, doing an hour of walking per day, etc.  I was just wondering if these tips have worked for anyone. How about posting these tips? As for walking, I walked for 100 minutes per day when I was losing weight. I’m almost half way through the book and there is a lot that makes sense. I.e. Why are we being overwhelmed with pharmaceutical commercials/advertisments?  Do we really need a pill for everything? Lots of money at stake. Well, sure, but pointing out that obvious stuff does not impart him any credibility, as such. Surely, financial interests are powerful motivators and our interests and interests of pharmaceutical companies are not aligned. I cannot see, though, how I can trust a felon and a notorious scammer. i

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Well, so far I’ve looked for a good health food store, organic fruit/vegie store, organic meats and can’t find them in my area.  My supermarket does have a few items (fruit/vegie) that are organic but you can’t eat yams every day.  Most of the stuff is not.  I also get a strange feeling there.  The organic yams are right next to the non-organic yams and cost about 30% more. Hmmmm…. I haven’t seen any bison, venison, etc. anywhere.  Also, the seafood at the supermarket I bet is mostly, if not all, farm raised and not the best, not to mention quite expensive. We have started purchasing eggs from free roaming hens (expensive).  The organic ones are even more $. My wife and I have 3 children so it can be very expensive very quick.  Maybe where you are it isn’t that tough but where I am it seems damn difficult. We own our house and I enjoy gardening but that is still limited to a couple months.  No room for a greenhouse.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I meant that from the stand point of the supermarket.  In my store there is a limited supply of organic vegetables and fruits, the meats most likely are pumped up with hormones (there are no organic meats stated) and just about everything else is in a box, can or bag.  How can you eat healthy? No easy and that’s what I meant by difficult. If you can afford it purchase your fruits and veggies from the limited supply of organics. Decrease your consumption of meats and eat more fish. I’ve totally stopped eating beef and pork and eat only fish, poultry, seafood and on occasion, lamb and bison (as my substitute for red meat).  A fillet of fish is the perfect portion size for a meal.  I’m going to try venison and emu soon. The lamb and bison I get are grassfed and not pumped full of hormones. The store I will be getting my venison and emu from is a health food store and they assure me the meat is hormone free and grassfed.  It is a little costly, yes but I am not going in and buying massive quantities of the meat. I’m getting just enough of a portion of each to try it out to see how I will like it. Quit eating things from boxes and bags (except sugarfree frozen fruits and veggies) as those are processed and no good for you anyway.  Try to find a Farmer’s market or a local grower and purchase some things from either or both.  Find a good health food store. They have sales on healthy foods from time to time.  Start your own garden in the warmer months if you can. I do a little container gardening in my backyard because I rent and the landlord will not let me take up a portion of the lawn in my yard to plant a small garden.  Also buy Omega 3 eggs if you can.  They are only a few cents more then the other eggs in the store and better for you.  I’d rather pay the extra cost to have the best ones anyway. It’s not that difficult to eat healthy or as healthy as you *can* afford to……after all, it is your body and you decide what to put into it or not put into it. At first I found eating this way difficult but once I wrapped my brain around it, I found it wasn’t difficult at all. I just had to find a way to remove the roadblocks and I did that.

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Well, so far I’ve looked for a good health food store, organic fruit/vegie store, organic meats and can’t find them in my area.  My supermarket does have a few items (fruit/vegie) that are organic but you can’t eat yams every day.  Most of the stuff is not.  I also get a strange feeling there.  The organic yams are right next to the non-organic yams and cost about 30% more. Hmmmm….

I am now spoiled on organic food, and most of my food is now organic.  I now consider whatever the cost of organic food is, to be "the cost of food".  There is more to organic food than just lack of pesticides.  It’s often grown in nutrient rich soil which nourishes the fruit/vegetable. The other stuff tends to be mere lookalikes, IMO. I have to wonder what is wrong with a head of lettuce that I buy (most certainly not picked that very morning) that still doesn’t rot after 3 weeks of storage ;) I especially insist on my apples, cucumbers, celery and grapes being organic, as the commercial counterparts tend to be the most heavily sprayed. According to Gabriel Cousens, who wrote "Conscious Eating", there are a few commercial vegetables and fruits that can be eaten (like melons and avocadoes) because there are the least chemical residues.  In a pinch, I will eat them, but when organic is there, I’ll get it. — Disclaimer: Everything authored by me is my own opinion and personal experience, unless otherwise indicated.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, so far I’ve looked for a good health food store, organic fruit/vegie store, organic meats and can’t find them in my area.  My supermarket does have a few items (fruit/vegie) that are organic but you can’t eat yams every day.  Most of the stuff is not.  I also get a strange feeling there.  The organic yams are right next to the non-organic yams and cost about 30% more. Hmmmm…. I haven’t seen any bison, venison, etc. anywhere.  Also, the seafood at the supermarket I bet is mostly, if not all, farm raised and not the best, not to mention quite expensive. We have started purchasing eggs from free roaming hens (expensive).  The organic ones are even more $. My wife and I have 3 children so it can be very expensive very quick. Maybe where you are it isn’t that tough but where I am it seems damn difficult. We own our house and I enjoy gardening but that is still limited to a couple months.  No room for a greenhouse.

Are there any farmer’s markets in your area?  This is usually a good source of fresh locally grown food.  They can also be a good source of finding the Mom & Pop businesses in your area that deal in other items more suitable to a healthy eating plan. We have one in our area that sells everything from produce, fruit, eggs, cheeses, etc.  It’s a wonderful place to spend a Saturday morning. Beverly

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I don’t mean this in a negative way but I didn’t get what you mean.  I read it twice.  Can you put it in another way? :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I meant that from the stand point of the supermarket.  In my store there is a limited supply of organic vegetables and fruits, the meats most likely are pumped up with hormones (there are no organic meats stated) and just about everything else is in a box, can or bag.  How can you eat healthy?  No easy and that’s what I meant by difficult. Veggies and fruits from the regular section or junk in sealed bags.  Are they really that much the same? Meat from the butcher section that was raised with hormones or hot dogs with such bizzare ingredients you hadly know if they qualify as vegitarian.  Are they really that much the same? Sure, stuff from the organic section is even better still, but thinking brocolli is unhealthy because it comes from the other section, that’s a defeatist attitude.  Do you actually switch all the way from organic apples to Capn Crunch?  I don’t think so.

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I meant that from the stand point of the supermarket.  In my store there is a limited supply of organic vegetables and fruits, the meats most likely are pumped up with hormones (there are no organic meats stated) and just about everything else is in a box, can or bag.  How can you eat healthy?  No easy and that’s what I meant by difficult.

Veggies and fruits from the regular section or junk in sealed bags.  Are they really that much the same? Meat from the butcher section that was raised with hormones or hot dogs with such bizzare ingredients you hadly know if they qualify as vegitarian.  Are they really that much the same? Sure, stuff from the organic section is even better still, but thinking brocolli is unhealthy because it comes from the other section, that’s a defeatist attitude.  Do you actually switch all the way from organic apples to Capn Crunch?  I don’t think so.

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I totally understand your feeling based on his history.  It does seem sketchy at best.  And I’m not here to defend him or his book but just telling you what I understand it as. According to Kevin the scammers are: the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, government, foundations, doctors (who don’t teach about nutrition, etc.).  I try to check other sources and a lot adds up to what he says.  He gives lots of examples.

Which you can get from the infomercial without buying the book, check. Consider the cliche: "Never attribute to malice what can be adaquately explained by incompetence." In the case of pharmaceutical companies they produce antibiotics which DO cure bacterial infections.  They produce vaccines which DO prevent viral infections. Their research model is to find the infectious agent and fight that agent.  If all cancer is caused by assorted viruses, then they will eventually cure all cancers through vaccine prevention. If you can’t find a bacterium, virus or toxin that produces an illness, their research model is not ever going to produce a cure.  What’s the best cure for type 2 diabetes?  Never get insulin resistance in the first place by never overeating carbs in the first place.  Simple, clear-cut, and completely impossible to reproduce with medications. Are these folks scammers because they search for medications rather than searching to remove environmental causes?  Or are they just looking in the wrong place because the place they *are* looking has such an excellent track record?

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Sure, stuff from the organic section is even better still, but thinking brocolli is unhealthy because it comes from the other section, that’s a defeatist attitude.  Do you actually switch all the way from organic apples to Capn Crunch?  I don’t think so.

    I haven’t gone organic at all.  I am eating alot more fruits and veggies than I used to, and I don’t think they are all "junk food" because they were grown non organically.  I really think that focusing on eating a healthier variety of foods has been much more useful to me than worrying that the food might not be produced organically.  A cup of bean soup made from non-organic beans is a much better dinner than the big mac and fries I used to eat.    As far as the OP, I don’t think I would have anything to do with a known scammer who is pushing a pay site on the internet via a book.  He has good tips?  Good for him!  But good tips on dieting are plentiful on the web.  I have ten of them myself on my site at http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/Diettips.html.  All absolutely free, no credit card needed!  There is no secret to dieting that you have to pay money to get.  The information is out there, for free, for anyone to have, if you are willing to simply look for it. — Annie As of 9-30-05: 258/209/140  Standing at 5 foot 4. 49 pounds lost.  69 left to go.  Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html

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In his words, it’s all about the $.  Billions.

At least he is honest. Matthew

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In his words, it’s all about the $.  Billions. At least he is honest. Who is honest?

Kevin Trudeau. About it being all about the money, at least. But very dishonest in the final analysis. My post was a lame attempt at humor by turning Trudeau’s charge back at him. Whatever it is he is peddling this time, to call them "cures" is nonsense.  Treatments perhaps, but certainly not cures. And to suggest that "natural" is always better than "synthetic" is likewise nonsense. As for the diet tips, I stopped reading after I saw the "cleansing" crap. Matthew

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Definitely eating non-organic fruits/veg are better than a burger and fries. But Kevin’s take on it is that the pesticides/hormones/additives make there way into our bodies and toxify them. Kevin’s CD is for weight loss and is included free with the book.  There are tons of books on helath, diets and exercise as well as weight loss centers. Many people shell out lots of money for these so there is a market (a big market).  There’s also tons of info on the web but I think to make sense of it all, people turn to books and others for advice. I know his past is questionable but does that mean the guy has nothing to offer?  What’s Martha Stewart doing these days??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure, stuff from the organic section is even better still, but thinking brocolli is unhealthy because it comes from the other section, that’s a defeatist attitude.  Do you actually switch all the way from organic apples to Capn Crunch?  I don’t think so.    I haven’t gone organic at all.  I am eating alot more fruits and veggies than I used to, and I don’t think they are all "junk food" because they were grown non organically.  I really think that focusing on eating a healthier variety of foods has been much more useful to me than worrying that the food might not be produced organically.  A cup of bean soup made from non-organic beans is a much better dinner than the big mac and fries I used to eat.   As far as the OP, I don’t think I would have anything to do with a known scammer who is pushing a pay site on the internet via a book.  He has good tips?  Good for him!  But good tips on dieting are plentiful on the web.  I have ten of them myself on my site at http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/Diettips.html.  All absolutely free, no credit card needed!  There is no secret to dieting that you have to pay money to get.  The information is out there, for free, for anyone to have, if you are willing to simply look for it. — Annie As of 9-30-05: 258/209/140  Standing at 5 foot 4. 49 pounds lost.  69 left to go.  Started February/07/05 Come visit my weight-loss web site, Annie Takes Off. http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/DietFrontPage.html

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Hey Iggy, I’ll have to check medline to see what they say about alkalinity but it’s hard to believe if I put garbage in that it doesn’t affect us and our PH. What about the far east?  I think their staples are seafood and rice.  Does anyone know about their disease rates compared to the USA?  Has anyone been taking these seaweed veggie pills?  They supposedly help with PH. Yep, I know that there are many conflicts of interest.  Maybe I’ve had the cover over my eyes but I thought the FDA was 100% trying to protect all in the USA but now I have other thoughts.  There is lots of money out there to influence people.  Just one example at the moment.  Lotions approved for the skin are noted not to ingest but we know that the skin absorbs these toxins also.  Maybe we can put up with a little cancer, is that their thinking? Not sure. I bought a book and nothing else so your sales pitch comment doesn’t fit. Yes, I do try to check other sources but you also have to watch those other sources.  I.e. WebMD has ‘articles’ that come from Pharm. companies.  I’m sure people miss the little note that it is from an advertiser and take it as knowledge for their better but I think the motives are more $ driven. !!!!!!http://my.webmd.com/content/article/60/67018.htm !!!!!!WebMD also believes that valuable content is available from WebMD sponsors, advertisers, and partners, but that such content must be clearly labeled. I’m not taking any big leaps here (in my eyes) but just trying to make sense of everything in the bettermint of my health and my family’s health.  It seems that most here just want to totally discredit Kevin’s book because of his past.  To me, that’s like a horse with blinders on.  I’ve been giving snippets but there’s a lot more to it.  And remember I didn’t come here to get into all of this.  I was just trying to see if anyone had an experience with his weight loss tips.  Geez….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m half way through the book and I can say it is much more than the 30 minute infomercial. According to Kevin, there are ties from the food industry (processed foods, ingredients that are not even on labels) to the FDA (how come they allow not to list these ingredients that cause us problems?) to the FTC (squashing any small company that has natural products that work in favor of huge profits for the pharm. industry) to the government (which bows to the lobbyists for the food and pharm. industries) to the pharm. industry (which comes up with a pill) to the doctors (who are pushed to give the pill or else).  In his words, it’s all about the $.  Billions.  And a small amount of people who are controlling it. Mike, conficts of interests are everywhere, as is subversion of regulatory agencies by the industries that they are supposed to regulate. Conflicts of interest exist in customer/car mechanic or customer/psychotherapist relationship or client’lawyer relationship etc. As far as antibiotics, I think it is well known they don’t discriminate and kill good and bad bacteria. Of course. The book also talks about getting your body more alkaline than acidic. In this state, diseases/cancer have a much harder time surviving.  I’ve seen similar info on various web sites.  So, why isn’t the food/medical/pharm. communities really, really telling us?  Because there isn’t much profit there.  Instead we get plowed into the ground with advertisements (starting at an early age) to eat this and take that pill.  I have to say the book brings up a lot of things to think about and has sold over 2 million copies and also is self published.  Not an easy feat.  I enjoy it and am learning from it. I believe that the alkalinity and acidity talk is extreme bullshit. I read about it a little, some time ago. Basically, our bodies maintain a very fine homeostasis of at least blood alkalinity, it is not something that we can change by, say, food intake. If we eat more acid, we excrete more acid. But our blood’s pH stays unchanged. That’s my understanding and, admittedly, I only spent a short time reading about it, but it made perfect sense. Check out medline, it has many medical articles on any topic. So, I think, we have someone who says things obvious to any realist (that there are conflicts of interest, subversion of regulators etc), and from there takes a not so subtle leap to Kevin’s own bullshit and sales pitches. Be careful to double check whether there is a true logical foundation for these leaps. i I totally understand your feeling based on his history.  It does seem sketchy at best.  And I’m not here to defend him or his book but just telling you what I understand it as. According to Kevin the scammers are: the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, government, foundations, doctors (who don’t teach about nutrition, etc.). I try to check other sources and a lot adds up to what he says.  He gives lots of examples. Which you can get from the infomercial without buying the book, check. Consider the cliche: "Never attribute to malice what can be adaquately explained by incompetence." In the case of pharmaceutical companies they produce antibiotics which DO cure bacterial infections.  They produce vaccines which DO prevent viral infections. Their research model is to find the infectious agent and fight that agent.  If all cancer is caused by assorted viruses, then they will eventually cure all cancers through vaccine prevention. If you can’t find a bacterium, virus or toxin that produces an illness, their research model is not ever going to produce a cure.  What’s the best cure for type 2 diabetes?  Never get insulin resistance in the first place by never overeating carbs in the first place.  Simple, clear-cut, and completely impossible to reproduce with medications. Are these folks scammers because they search for medications rather than searching to remove environmental causes?  Or are they just looking in the wrong place because the place they *are* looking has such an excellent track record? — 223/174.7/180

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I’m half way through the book and I can say it is much more than the 30 minute infomercial. According to Kevin, there are ties from the food industry (processed foods, ingredients that are not even on labels) to the FDA (how come they allow not to list these ingredients that cause us problems?) to the FTC (squashing any small company that has natural products that work in favor of huge profits for the pharm. industry) to the government (which bows to the lobbyists for the food and pharm. industries) to the pharm. industry (which comes up with a pill) to the doctors (who are pushed to give the pill or else).  In his words, it’s all about the $.  Billions.  And a small amount of people who are controlling it. As far as antibiotics, I think it is well known they don’t discriminate and kill good and bad bacteria. The book also talks about getting your body more alkaline than acidic.  In this state, diseases/cancer have a much harder time surviving.  I’ve seen similar info on various web sites.  So, why isn’t the food/medical/pharm. communities really, really telling us?  Because there isn’t much profit there.  Instead we get plowed into the ground with advertisements (starting at an early age) to eat this and take that pill.  I have to say the book brings up a lot of things to think about and has sold over 2 million copies and also is self published.  Not an easy feat.  I enjoy it and am learning from it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I totally understand your feeling based on his history.  It does seem sketchy at best.  And I’m not here to defend him or his book but just telling you what I understand it as. According to Kevin the scammers are: the FDA, FTC, pharmaceutical companies, government, foundations, doctors (who don’t teach about nutrition, etc.). I try to check other sources and a lot adds up to what he says.  He gives lots of examples. Which you can get from the infomercial without buying the book, check. Consider the cliche: "Never attribute to malice what can be adaquately explained by incompetence." In the case of pharmaceutical companies they produce antibiotics which DO cure bacterial infections.  They produce vaccines which DO prevent viral infections. Their research model is to find the infectious agent and fight that agent.  If all cancer is caused by assorted viruses, then they will eventually cure all cancers through vaccine prevention. If you can’t find a bacterium, virus or toxin that produces an illness, their research model is not ever going to produce a cure.  What’s the best cure for type 2 diabetes?  Never get insulin resistance in the first place by never overeating carbs in the first place.  Simple, clear-cut, and completely impossible to reproduce with medications. Are these folks scammers because they search for medications rather than searching to remove environmental causes?  Or are they just looking in the wrong place because the place they *are* looking has such an excellent track record?

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I know his past is questionable but does that mean the guy has nothing to offer?

Personally I think he is a slimeball. What’s Martha Stewart doing these days???

She has 2 new shows (I just finished watching today’s live episode of Martha) and is doing very well

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  My supermarket does have a few items (fruit/vegie) that are organic but you can’t eat yams every day.

I eat a baked yam every day. I do not eat potatoes because they are a member of the nightshade family so yams make a good substitute for me.  The organic yams are right next to the non-organic yams and cost about 30% more. Hmmmm….

Organic produce does cost a little more but since I no longer eat processed food I figure I am well worth the extra expenditure. I haven’t seen any bison, venison, etc. anywhere.  Also, the seafood at the supermarket I bet is mostly, if not all, farm raised and not the best, not to mention quite expensive.

Even if it is farm raised it is better to eat then wolfing down poptarts and you can buy it when it is on sale. We have started purchasing eggs from free roaming hens (expensive).  The organic ones are even more $.

Now that I do not understand,why they would cost more, because the hens are getting whatever bugs and insects they eat from the ground in addition to thier feed. You would think this would make them cheaper. I’ve had eggs from free roaming hens only a couple of times in my life. They were brought to me from an old boyfriend when he was in the ‘honeymoon stage’ of our relationship. The eggs tasted so much better then the ones I purchase at the store but the omega 3 eggs were the closest I found in taste. Even the yolks are almost similiar in colour. I miss those eggs. LOL. My wife and I have 3 children so it can be very expensive very quick. Maybe where you are it isn’t that tough but where I am it seems damn difficult.

I’m in Hamilton, Ontario and I have it tough too. I’m cureently on disability and feeding 3 others as well as myself on that one income. It doesn’t leave a whole lot left for luxuries. We own our house and I enjoy gardening but that is still limited to a couple months.  No room for a greenhouse.

Same here. My growing season is from mid-May to the first frost.

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 In other words if you want to avoid nightshades you would need to avoid sweet-potato/yams as well.

That isn’t what my nutritionist told me. She suggested them as a substitute for potatoes and they give me no arthritis pain.  On the other hand they are lower carb count and lower glycemic load than starchy white potatoes.

This is true but I am not on a low carb diet anymore. I simply limit my intake of good carbs on a daily basis. Space costs.  Factory chickens are grown in cages that go up level after level like high-rise condos.  Free range chickens can only be grown on one level.  The difference in land more than makes up for the cost of grain feed versus free bugs.

But after the farmer owning that land for a number of years should bring the cost of the eggs down, one would assume.

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I have to say that I really didn’t expect all these responses. It’s been an interesting thread. Good health to all!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’m currently reading the Natural Cures book by Kevin Trudeau.  It’s very interesting and he also included a book on CD for weight loss.  He gives over 20 tips to losing weight.  Although I only would like to lose a few pounds to trim up, I was wondering if anyone else had an experience with it. I’d like to give that info to others. Thanks, Mike

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  My supermarket does have a few items (fruit/vegie) that are organic but you can’t eat yams every day. I eat a baked yam every day. I do not eat potatoes because they are a member of the nightshade family so yams make a good substitute for me.

It is my understanding that yams and sweet potatos are different breeds of the same species in North American stores and that true yams are a different vegitable that is only available in tropical climates.  Apparently they are 10+ kilos each for the real thing.  In other words if you want to avoid nightshades you would need to avoid sweet-potato/yams as well.  On the other hand they are lower carb count and lower glycemic load than starchy white potatoes. We have started purchasing eggs from free roaming hens (expensive).  The organic ones are even more $. Now that I do not understand,why they would cost more, because the hens are getting whatever bugs and insects they eat from the ground in addition to thier feed. You would think this would make them cheaper.

Space costs.  Factory chickens are grown in cages that go up level after level like high-rise condos.  Free range chickens can only be grown on one level.  The difference in land more than makes up for the cost of grain feed versus free bugs.

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Thanks MikeH, The doctor didn’t check me for inner ear problems. It could be worth a look. My mother has an inner ear problem, but I thought it wouldn’t be the case for me because of the additional symptoms – chest pains, shortness of breath, etc. Thanks, Paul

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Hi, Paul… Could be that it’s *completely* anxiety related.  Could also be that some actual physical problem contributes to the triggers for the anxiety, thus producing the chest pain and shortness of breath.  And if you mother has these problems, could be a genetic pre-disposition to ear problems.  No way to know without getting checked by a doc, but certainly worth looking into. Best wishes! MikeH :)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks MikeH, The doctor didn’t check me for inner ear problems. It could be worth a look. My mother has an inner ear problem, but I thought it wouldn’t be the case for me because of the additional symptoms – chest pains, shortness of breath, etc. Thanks, Paul

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Hi all, I have a history of depression and anxiety, but as far as I know have never had an anxiety attack. In over the last month I’ve been having fairly frequent "episodes" that have me concerned. I’ve just moved to NYC from New Zealand,

BINGO ! and I have started a serious relationship, both of which could be triggers for anxiety.

ya came from new zealand ta be with a chick and i can’t get’ah dude ta cross a rural skreet ta drink a PBR wimme?  and you think YOU got problems, i’ll take yer anxiety if you’ll gimme yer advice to tha lovelorn. My legs are often wobbly and sometimes give way when I’m trying to walk.

(maybe don’t get up so fast after ya get laid…  lay there in… (tha wet spot’n revel in tha…. well, nebbermind) My head often starts spinning out and losing balance when I’m walking or trying to hold down a conversation with someone.

love’ll do that to ya.  i swear.  i remember back that from WAY back… and yes, harley.. i still have a memory… SAH-PRIZEEEEE !!!! I also get tightness across my chest and shortness of breath.

(we in america call that "gettin’ to tha good part’ah gettin’ lucky". These are all unfamiliar experiences for me,

me too, (damn tha flies) which has me worried thatit could be something more serious than anxiety. But I’m definitely feeling anxious at the moment.

:X i never give medical advice, but seein’s how this golden op just up’n smacked me upside tha head… "GO READ HARLEY’S POSTS"… it’s a new treatment i invented just now called "CMS" (comparative mental status). you’ll have a new lease on life, i promise, and eat tha yellow snow. it’s natural. I’ve been to a walk-in clinic once and they gave me a whole raft of heart-related tests, and everything turned out ok. She suspected an anxiety/panic disorder and prescribed me Klonipin. This appears to help a little, but I’m still feeling dizzy.

sit in sum sorta submissive yoga position in clothes from Pier 1 and say "ahmmmmm, muh bruthah man" for 93 minutes and burn a fatty.  you may feel still, a little dizzy, but it’ll be all good, man… right on…. (grooooooooooovy) I’m not too sure what to do. I’m in NYC for another 4 months and only have travel insurance which has very limited medical cover – i.e. emergency cover only. I would dearly love to get to the bottom of this. I imagine MRI tests would be fairly costly.

MRI?  hell… poppahcouoplahbluez… (xanax) it works great, but don’t tell harley, he’d prefer ya ta spend 93% of yer life findin’ natural cures ta make ya live longer, but i say spend .0005% of yer life poppin’ a pill and the other 99.(sumthin)% livin’ it well.  (unless, of course, ya like pickin dandelions). Does this sound like anxiety attacks? Any advice would be much appreciated.

sounds like yer gettin’ yer USA legs.  new york can make anybody wobble a little, but that city ROCKS !  (specially if ya talk funny, you’ll be a star)  …. oh, and send me a boy from new zealand.  i want my own. !tanya

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Excellent, a troll is just what I needed…

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Excellent, a troll is just what I needed…

The woods are full of ‘em. Be brave   –   and patient. Help will come up from the depths in time. And find a psychiatrist really soon about  your symptoms. It’ll make those big transitions less traumatic. Ma

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then go getcha one.  problem solved, they’re a dime a dozen.  yer cured.  stop bitchin. ~tanya

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just thinking about going to nyc gives me mild anxiety, and I take seven milligrams of xanax every day.  bam (and I even like it there!) G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and I have a history of depression and anxiety, but as far as I know have never had an anxiety attack. In over the last month I’ve been having fairly frequent "episodes" that have me concerned. I’ve just moved to NYC from New Zealand, and I have started a serious relationship, both of which could be triggers for anxiety. I’d think they most certainly would/could – are – triggers for anxiety (attacks). With whatever resources you have, my suggestion would be to A/ read up on anxiety disorders (you may have taken your depression and anxiety to anther level – panic disorder) – and seek treatment ASAP. The longer it goes untreated, the worse it can get (or the longer the path out from under). You can read up at: http://panicdisorder.about.com/mbody.htm (root around the ‘disorders’ section on the left hand side) You might find a teaching hospital in NYC (I’d sure think so) where more than just a med will be prescribed. Education is paramount, and then learning what to do to help yourself (CBT) is put into your daily routine/equation. Check: http://panicdisorder.about.com/od/therapycbt/ From experience, if it is as it sounds (which no one can say, of course) – swift action is the best course – and with specialists, not ‘walk-in’ clinics. Regardless of the circumstances, it’s something that needs to take a front seat right now. The triggers are there and have set things in motion, IMO. I guess, at the very least, check out the book: "Feeling Good, the New Mood Therapy" by David Burns, M.D. A lot of what you’re feeling would likely be from these stressors – moving to NYC from NZ and having a lady friend (who has asked you to marry her :) The book can help you rethink the way you’re thinking about current events and your current situation(s). — Elliott      remove eee to eeemail http://home.earthlink.net/~ejk2/

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Hi paul, I too get chest pains during anxiety (which i’ve had for 7 years and I believe is on it’s way out).  Since medication often discomforts me (except for alcohol :) ) I prefer ‘overcoming’ anxiety myself. Here’s a couple of things that’s helped: Go to http://selftherapy.org/home/index.php and get the self therapy cd, it’l cost $15 bucks, but it’s the best $15 i’ve spent. I also like a book by Ekhart Tolle called "Companion To the Power Of Now"  It’s a little blue book found in the New Age section of your local chain bookstore. THese have been invaluable to me, and I hope they help. Best wishes, -Bryan

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Continue the Clonazepam, it would probably be ideal to take it twice a day (or as prescribed, if other than twice).  Sometimes using Klonopin "occasionally" can cause issues as the drug "wears off".  Discuss this with a psych MD.  It’s not that expensive, and how much is your health and peace of mind worth? Questions:  What do you do (specifically) that requires you to be in NY? What things about your relationship are notably stressful to you, if any? What is your present prescribed Klonopin dosage? Do you have ANY other known medical issues?  If so, what are they, and do you take any medicines regularly in managing these medical issues?  If so, which medicines and how much/how often?  What is your Axis I (and any Axis II) diagnosis (es)? Get your blood pressure checked lying down (after lying flat for 5 minutes at least), then sit up, have it checked again, and then stand up, and have it checked again.  (assessing orthostatic hypotension).  Also it is quite hot out, as you’ve probably noticed… How is your hydration/nutrition situation going? Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Excellent, a troll is just what I needed…

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I’ve been taking the Klonopin on and off for about a couple of weeks. The dizzyness and wobbly legs may wane a little while I’m on it, but I think it has just made me less anxious about the physical symptoms rather than alleviating them. Because these are all new sensations that I’m feeling, I’m kinda freaking myself by thinking about all of the worst case scenarios. I have an appointment with a neurologist on Wednesday morning, so hopefully that’ll resolve a few things. I also found a sliding-scale type therapist that I’ll be able to talk to about the anxiety. I feel a little stranded without health insurance over here, when even the most basic of procedures will break the bank. Yep, working on a laptop at home suits me just fine, but it can get a little lonely sometimes. Just make a couple of websites then quit your current job :) Paul

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Because these are all new sensations that I’m feeling, I’m kinda freaking myself by thinking about all of the worst case scenarios. I have an appointment with a neurologist on Wednesday morning, so hopefully that’ll resolve a few things. I also found a sliding-scale type therapist that I’ll be able to talk to about the anxiety.

These are great steps, Paul.  I’m glad to hear you found a therapist that will work with you on a sliding scale!!  Please keep us posted on how you are doing!! Take care… MikeH

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Thanks Mike, The wait for the appointment with the neuro is proving painful. I still have a constant dull headache and wobbly legs. I really can’t help thinking that it’s something more serious when this happens. This is really freaking me out :( I have noticed that I’m not breathing well at all – a lot of shallow breathing followed by the occasional gasp to catch my breath. It’s particularly noticeable when I’m trying to talk to people. I really hope my Wednesday appointment eliminates all of the neurological nasties. Paul

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if your symptoms bother you, i would suggest talking to GFX, Gary.

well yeah, i’m respondin to muh own post, how icky… i had no permission from Gary to extend this invitation, for that i apologize. Nurse Ratched has nothin’ on Gary, i truly believe she would be as empathetic as i believe he is, so i went out on a limb. Gary is one of the few that lives his life in pursuit of extending his wisdom, (not extolling, be sure) to others, i was presumptuous to offer his help. for that, i apologize. sue me. ~tanya

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A couple more questions, if you don’t mind… For how long have you been taking Klonopin? When you say you "haven’t responded to Klonopin", are you saying that you have had absolutely no discernable amelioration of any of your symptoms? G ps:  I think working on a laptop at home sounds like about the coolest thing I could imagine right now – how exactly does one go about acquiring a job of that sort? G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few quick questions for everyone: 1. Are anxiety/panic attacks easy to diagnose? For us they are. 2. How are they diagnosed? Professionally, by recording symptoms and reactions. A history of attacks is an important clue, as are certain behaviors. Once physical problems have been ruled out, dx is simple. 3. If I’m not responding to Klonopin, does that rule out an anxiety/panic disorder as the diagnosis? Absolutely not. It often takes a great deal of trial and error to hit on the best drug or combination of drugs to tame these bullies. Best results come from a combo of meds and CBT. Impatience with the condition is never called for or productive. In other words  -   it can be a long, long haul. Ma Thanks again, Paul

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A couple more questions, if you don’t mind… For how long have you been taking Klonopin? When you say you "haven’t responded to Klonopin", are you saying that you have had absolutely no discernable amelioration of any of your symptoms?

translation:  "i’m so passive aggressive thacha don’t notice, but i’m gonna hit a BIG BANG in 2.3 seconds" ps:  I think working on a laptop at home sounds like about the coolest thing I could imagine right now – how exactly does one go about acquiring a job of that sort?

BAM, baby…. and i didn’t even read ahead. (ya come ta my house… i got one now and we can have wild monkey sex) BADDAH BING ! ~tanya – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi Polestar, It’s hard to pinpoint any obvious triggers. There were a couple of times when I was fine until I went outside to walk to the subway, but right now the dizzyness, balance problems and wobbly legs seem to be so constant that the biggest source of anxiety seems to be from the worry that this could be something a little more serious than an anxiety/panic disorder. Paul

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A few quick questions for everyone: 1. Are anxiety/panic attacks easy to diagnose? 2. How are they diagnosed? 3. If I’m not responding to Klonopin, does that rule out an anxiety/panic disorder as the diagnosis? Thanks again, Paul

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A few quick questions for everyone: 1. Are anxiety/panic attacks easy to diagnose?

For us they are. 2. How are they diagnosed?

Professionally, by recording symptoms and reactions. A history of attacks is an important clue, as are certain behaviors. Once physical problems have been ruled out, dx is simple. 3. If I’m not responding to Klonopin, does that rule out an anxiety/panic disorder as the diagnosis?

Absolutely not. It often takes a great deal of trial and error to hit on the best drug or combination of drugs to tame these bullies. Best results come from a combo of meds and CBT. Impatience with the condition is never called for or productive. In other words  -   it can be a long, long haul. Ma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks again, Paul

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Sorry, it feels like I’m throwing a barrage of questions here… Would it be unusual for the dizzy/off-balance spells to be so frequent? I get them several times a day, every day, and some days it feels like I’m dizzy all the time. I’ve had this for about a month now, and I haven’t had anything like this before. Thanks, Paul

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Sorry, it feels like I’m throwing a barrage of questions here… Would it be unusual for the dizzy/off-balance spells to be so frequent? I get them several times a day, every day, and some days it feels like I’m dizzy all the time. I’ve had this for about a month now, and I haven’t had anything like this before. Thanks, Paul

Honestly #1 – IF     you’ve ruled out all other possible causes, you have to bang on your doctor  -  whatever sort  -  to work on that most troubling symptom. Weakness and dizziness can be self perpetuating symptoms and feed anxiety very nicely.     The more you notice them and worry, the more frequently they visit. But before you count on panic cures for relief……see step one. Ma

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Sorry, it feels like I’m throwing a barrage of questions here…

Paul…. well, i know ya think i’m a troll, but for tha sake of argument, i’m gonna give ya a bit’ah history on me.  (well, nobody would argue i’m a troll, but anyway…) i’m 47, 47 and a half, actually ! i experienced my first panic attack after smokin’ a joint at the age of 28 after possible "smokin’ myself out", i haven’t smoked a joint since then. at the age of about 38, (i’m a morning person and joyful, when the sky awakens me, i just get friggin’ exhilerated !!!) and i saw darkness in the light, it was unforgettable, as it was unfathomable for me, my personality, my equipment for life presented itself at my door, as i took it for granted, i WAS the purveyor of my life, i know now. the sunny sky, so dim, i called my best friend, (a piercing customer, i met her as) came to my $310 a month apt in alabama and drove me to the hospital, i was dying. i couldn’t go in the ER, embarrassment ensued. finally, i did.. TRIAGE !!!… i learned what that was, i was taken to a room in a catholic hospital (i learned later hospitals have religious backing, some of ‘em) and was hooked up to every monitor in da book, my bp was sumthin’ over 192, i didn’t know that was bad but it was, and my heart rate was almost 200.  i finally watched neurotically as the numbers descended, a nun woke me up as i finally drifted off and i went balistic, i thought i was bein’ given tha last rites… "FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, THERE’S NO SIGN THAT SAYS ‘NUN CROSSIN’"…  so that’s my first panic attack. yes, i went’n apologized the next day as she held my hand and prayed for me. several years later my brother decided ta up’n kill himself, as did my boyfriend. my piercing manager of 4 shops (my best friend) hung himself within one month. that was #2 panic attack, i chose to get addicted to lortabs, 300 mgs a day for starters, (yeah, that’s about 30 of them pink’ns, i’m so proud) and the rest could’ah been history.  30 was a start, i dated a guy that could provide me with my DOC as he was hooked on that shit that gives ya mus-kles) i lost everything, and i had a lot. financially, a lot emotionally, a lot familially, a lot, the saddest. i turned to aol freedom, my social "butterfly" days were, astoundingly, over.  my Brother’s departure from my realm was "IT"… no longer was i a master promoter of my industry, the most popoular chick in town, i learned who i was and who i REALLY was….  and who…. my friends were. my panic attacks became "panic disorder", as i learned later.  i began fearing them, i had more than one a month over a 3 month period, thus …"panic disorder". background:  purple micro daily for 2.5 years with coffee and still rock-salt scars in my ass from jumpin’ over fences after a good rain for mushrooms; you hand it to me, i gulp it, i never drank much, i was an acid queen, a guy’s gal.  looking back, this behavior lent itself to the ultimate…panic disorder. "i wish i didn’t know now what i didn’t know then"….. ~bob segar this started out as a helpful forum for you and maybe turned into a venting of my own past.  nevertheless, you have a chance to change the way you think, even tho i don’t believe ‘thinking’ cures any panic disorder, i do think ‘thinking’ may prohibit it. Would it be unusual for the dizzy/off-balance spells to be so frequent? I get them several times a day, every day, and some days it feels like I’m dizzy all the time. I’ve had this for about a month now, and I haven’t had anything like this before.

if your symptoms bother you, i would suggest talking to GFX, Gary.  As much as i love to give him a raft’ah shit, he is knowledgeable, he has no agenda, he is in a mode of helpfulness. (i think i spelled knowledgeable wrong, but hey) i suggest you email him personally, he’ll even talk to you on the phone if yer cute.  <smile  (ok.. that’s MY agenda… FIND A GUY TO MARRY ME, GARY !) shit, i talked about me way too much, (well, i COULD go on) and i apologize, (sorta), but i am not a troll, i’m with you, i feel ya. you CAN avoid by recognition of the root of the problem (my thoughts, don’t kill me) if caught in time. …walk I do with you, maybe not in person but in spirit…many don’t understand the journey for they don’t live it. only those that experience such things can begin to relate even though I tread a similar path of mental disposition your life is yours and mine is mine although entwined… BE CAREFUL !  my thoughts may become yours :) ~tanya

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Hi, Paul… The symptoms you describe seem to match those of panic disorder… exactly! You’ve already gotten some good suggestions from previous posts…. not too much I can add to that. One question… When you were checked out by the docs, did they check for inner ear problems?  Sometimes inner ear can be symtomless other than a feeling of lightneadedness/dizziness.  Since health insurance is a problem, this might be hard to get checked… unless you could find a clinic in NYC that would see you for a minimal fee. Read, Read, Read all you can about panic disorder and ways to deal with the symptoms and triggers. Good luck… and please keep us posted on how you are doing! BTW….. welcome to the US! :) MikeH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have a history of depression and anxiety, but as far as I know have never had an anxiety attack. In over the last month I’ve been having fairly frequent "episodes" that have me concerned. I’ve just moved to NYC from New Zealand, and I have started a serious relationship, both of which could be triggers for anxiety. My legs are often wobbly and sometimes give way when I’m trying to walk. My head often starts spinning out and losing balance when I’m walking or trying to hold down a conversation with someone. I also get tightness across my chest and shortness of breath. These are all unfamiliar experiences for me, which has me worried that it could be something more serious than anxiety. But I’m definitely feeling anxious at the moment. I’ve been to a walk-in clinic once and they gave me a whole raft of heart-related tests, and everything turned out ok. She suspected an anxiety/panic disorder and prescribed me Klonipin. This appears to help a little, but I’m still feeling dizzy. I’m not too sure what to do. I’m in NYC for another 4 months and only have travel insurance which has very limited medical cover – i.e. emergency cover only. I would dearly love to get to the bottom of this. I imagine MRI tests would be fairly costly. Does this sound like anxiety attacks? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Paul

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Hi Gary, Thanks for your reply. I’m in NYC mainy as a tourist on a 6-month visa. I have a relatively stress-free job as a part owner of a startup back in New Zealand. I work on a laptop from my apartment in NYC, which can get a bit much with the lack of human interaction. The relationship is one of the best things that has happened to me in a long time. The only possible source of stress here is that it’s gotten quite serious, quite quickly, but I’m happy with how it’s been going. The Klonopin dose is 0.5mg up to twice daily. It seems to help a little, but I still get the dizzy/loss of balance moments when I’m on it. The only other medical problem I’ve had is prostatitis, but that’s not a recent concern. I’m not currently on any other medications. I saw a GP this afternoon to get a referral for a neurologist (all of the dizzy spells have left me fearing the worst). I’ve had all of the blood pressure, heart-related tests done, and everything’s checked out OK. She’s put me on meclizine in the meantime to see if that helps at all. I’m don’t know what an Axis diagnosis is. Again, many thanks for your help, Gary. It’s much appreciated. Paul

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Hi all, I have a history of depression and anxiety, but as far as I know have never had an anxiety attack. In over the last month I’ve been having fairly frequent "episodes" that have me concerned. I’ve just moved to NYC from New Zealand, and I have started a serious relationship, both of which could be triggers for anxiety. My legs are often wobbly and sometimes give way when I’m trying to walk. My head often starts spinning out and losing balance when I’m walking or trying to hold down a conversation with someone. I also get tightness across my chest and shortness of breath. These are all unfamiliar experiences for me, which has me worried that it could be something more serious than anxiety. But I’m definitely feeling anxious at the moment. I’ve been to a walk-in clinic once and they gave me a whole raft of heart-related tests, and everything turned out ok. She suspected an anxiety/panic disorder and prescribed me Klonipin. This appears to help a little, but I’m still feeling dizzy. I’m not too sure what to do. I’m in NYC for another 4 months and only have travel insurance which has very limited medical cover – i.e. emergency cover only. I would dearly love to get to the bottom of this. I imagine MRI tests would be fairly costly. Does this sound like anxiety attacks? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Paul

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I have a history of depression and anxiety, but as far as I know have never had an anxiety attack. In over the last month I’ve been having fairly frequent "episodes" that have me concerned. I’ve just moved to NYC from New Zealand, and I have started a serious relationship, both of which could be triggers for anxiety. My legs are often wobbly and sometimes give way when I’m trying to walk. My head often starts spinning out and losing balance when I’m walking or trying to hold down a conversation with someone. I also get tightness across my chest and shortness of breath. These are all unfamiliar experiences for me, which has me worried that it could be something more serious than anxiety. But I’m definitely feeling anxious at the moment. I’ve been to a walk-in clinic once and they gave me a whole raft of heart-related tests, and everything turned out ok. She suspected an anxiety/panic disorder and prescribed me Klonipin. This appears to help a little, but I’m still feeling dizzy. I’m not too sure what to do. I’m in NYC for another 4 months and only have travel insurance which has very limited medical cover – i.e. emergency cover only. I would dearly love to get to the bottom of this. I imagine MRI tests would be fairly costly. Does this sound like anxiety attacks? Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Paul

Surely sounds like the anxiety I know and hate. I’ve heard so many people complain about weakness and extreme fatigue. Picture the way you feel after a near miss auto incident. The weakness that follows an adrenaline surge.    Now imagine how your poor body reacts to a flood of stress causing chemicals that goes on for an extended period. Whenever our hot button is pushed and our reflex reaction production kicks in, the bill for all that unnecessary readiness is often delivered later. If you can’t afford to see a psychiatrist just now, guess you’ll have to stick with the Clonazapam / Klonopin until you return home. NY is a helluva town for stress and anxiety though. Good luck kiddo. Ma

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Hi there! I use "natural" things for both prevention and to treat a Migraine attack when I get one. You do realize that these aren’t actually "cures," don’t you? Migraine is a neurological disease for which, at this time, there is no cure. Here’s what I use: Preventive: * Coenzyme Q10 * Magnesium * Vitamin B2 Acute treatment (when I get a Migraine): * Caffeine * GelStat Migraine, a sublingual over-the-counter Migraine abortive made with feverfew and ginger. See www.gelstat.com for more info and a 50-cents-off coupon. * Aromatherapy * Relaxation and visualization Teri

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; Nothing more natural then fungus ; ; http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/story/0,8150,1540653,00… ; ; Hiya peoples!!! ;-) ; Bobw Hey!  Whereya beeeeeeen!!! AOM —  Lea Jackson

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Nothing more natural then fungus http://society.guardian.co.uk/drugsandalcohol/story/0,8150,1540653,00… Hiya peoples!!! ;-) Bobw

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what natural stuff do you use for migranes? I use steam alot. Hot showers tend to help. I also use sugared soda and choclate Oh yeah, magnesium. I’m BIG on magnesium right now. Dana

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what natural stuff do you use for migranes? I use steam alot. Hot showers tend to help. I also use sugared soda and choclate

Oh yeah, magnesium. I’m BIG on magnesium right now. Dana

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what natural stuff do you use for migranes? I use steam alot. Hot showers tend to help. I also use sugared soda and choclate

I hate to see the word "cure" here, but here’s what I use that isn’t medicine. Lavendar. Yoga. My iPod. Ice on my neck.Yoga.  Peppermint oil. Massage. Chiropractor. Yoga. I think that’s about it. Dana

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I don’t know if I would call them ‘cures’.   I use things like hot bath or showers, or hot drinks that I inhale, or heating pads or hot towels on head, to get me through both before triptans and when they fail (luckily rarely) mk

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what natural stuff do you use for migranes? I use steam alot. Hot showers tend to help. I also use sugared soda and choclate

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* Relaxation and visualization Teri

I visualize Teri relaxing. Bobw

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LOL!! Hi, Bob. Teri

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aspartame trigger?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday I had my first certain migraine (after some panic about what the hell it was, thought I was going blind!).  Got the classic aura, blind spot in the center of my eye expanding into a crescent with rapidly flashing colored zigzags until it filled my left peripheral vision, then disappeared and came back again once more.  A few hours later I had an unusually bad headache, and this morning I still have a headache and unusually disconnected feeling. So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.  I never drank diet soda before but recently realized that diet dr pepper was highly tolerable and a good way to get through the workday without eating junk food. Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again. Thanks.

I get severe headpain from Nutrasweet, Aspartame, Splenda, and any other sugar wanna-be.  It hits fast and furious.  My mother responds the same way. Hope you figure out what is causing yours soon! deep peace, Lavon

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me either.  I also drink at least two cups of coffee a day.  One diet coke at lunch.  And I am fine.  I have no clear cut triggers that I can find.  I think I have a lot of ‘teasers’ that sometimes combine to send me over the edge.  And sometimes not. mk   Have you always been drinking a soda a day (diet or not)?  As someone   mentioned earlier caffeine (or lack thereof if your body has built up a   tolerance) can be a trigger for a lot of people, including myself.   Personally, I have never had a problem with aspartame or any other   artificial sweeteners (other than the horrid taste of things   "sweetened" by them).

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Caffeine can be a trigger too, as can LACK of caffeine.  If your body was used to getting caffeine at a certain time during the day, and then it didn’t get it, that can trigger a migraine in some people. As for me, I avoid artificial sweeteners, so I don’t know if they are triggers for me.  I also avoid caffeine, unless I’m having a headache, because it sometimes helps me. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday I had my first certain migraine (after some panic about what the hell it was, thought I was going blind!).  Got the classic aura, blind spot in the center of my eye expanding into a crescent with rapidly flashing colored zigzags until it filled my left peripheral vision, then disappeared and came back again once more.  A few hours later I had an unusually bad headache, and this morning I still have a headache and unusually disconnected feeling. So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.  I never drank diet soda before but recently realized that diet dr pepper was highly tolerable and a good way to get through the workday without eating junk food. Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again.  Thanks.

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Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again.  Thanks. Yes, aspartame seems to be one of my triggers.  Though I don’t think any of my triggers will guarantee a migraine — mostly they make it more likely to have the migraine.

After using aspartame for about 20 years for hypoglycemia as a young adult, slowly over the course of a year, my husband started having migraines and restless leg syndrome and some fibromyalgia-like symptoms with fatigue and stinging pains especially in his feet.  I did a web search and found a lot of info about aspartame being implicated in a fibromyalgia-like syndrome. He stopped using it and within a week all of his symptoms were greatly improved (the migraines were gone), and after a few months without aspartame all of the symptoms had completely resolved. Unfortunately he promptly developed diabetes because he had switched to sugar.  Now he uses Splenda with no trouble so far. –Patti

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Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again.  Thanks.

Yes, aspartame seems to be one of my triggers.  Though I don’t think any of my triggers will guarantee a migraine — mostly they make it more likely to have the migraine. — Michael Meissner http://www.the-meissners.org

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Aspartame is a bad trigger for me. Bear – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. I never have aspartame so don’t know if it would be a trigger. Hubby is allergic to aspartame but doesn’t have migraines. He has other types of reactions. His brother does get severe headaches from aspartame which I suspect may be migraine. I do know other people who have aspartame triggers. I have done food elimination diets. I don’t have food triggers but do have odour triggers plus weather (barometric pressure) triggers. My odour triggers are cleaning products, room deodorizers, carpet fresheners, perfume, mould, tar, cut grass, pollen, smoke . . .) If you haven’t found the FAQ for ashm yet, it is http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ Some good sites: http://headaches.about.com/ http://www.migraines.org/ http://www.achenet.org/ http://www.headachedrugs.com/ http://www.headaches.org/ http://ahsnet.org/ http://www.w-h-a.org/wha2/index.asp http://www.neuroland.com/ http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/headache/headache.htm http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZSQSNVKI… http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/migraine.html IHS criteria http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Migraine/IHScrit.html Migraine http://healthinfo.healthgate.com/GetContent.aspx?account=healthlibrar… or http://tinyurl.com/4nqyt IHS guidelines (.pdf, slideshow etc.) http://216.25.100.131/members/Sections/members/login/Temp_Frame/frame… Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/migraine/natural-cures/ http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support…. Kadee

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Have you always been drinking a soda a day (diet or not)?  As someone mentioned earlier caffeine (or lack thereof if your body has built up a tolerance) can be a trigger for a lot of people, including myself. Personally, I have never had a problem with aspartame or any other artificial sweeteners (other than the horrid taste of things "sweetened" by them).

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Yep!  Same here, I won’t let it in the house! ~Sage – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to Put me on the list, too. — Jeff Folloder Jeff’s Ashtray- http://www.folloder.com/jeffsashtray/ Non-Sequitur Blog- http://blog.folloder.com

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Amazing…Diet Dr. Pepper was my first movement into the diet drink world about a year ago for the same reason…I never liked them at all.  Same thing happened to me and ever since, no aspartame for me.  I can’t drink diet sodas, no Crystal Light…none of that stuff.  I never had such a sensitivity to all of it, but I can’t have it anymore. Maybe it’s a bad thing to start with the diet Dr. Pepper ;-) Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday I had my first certain migraine (after some panic about what the hell it was, thought I was going blind!).  Got the classic aura, blind spot in the center of my eye expanding into a crescent with rapidly flashing colored zigzags until it filled my left peripheral vision, then disappeared and came back again once more.  A few hours later I had an unusually bad headache, and this morning I still have a headache and unusually disconnected feeling. So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.  I never drank diet soda before but recently realized that diet dr pepper was highly tolerable and a good way to get through the workday without eating junk food. Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again. Thanks.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After using aspartame for about 20 years for hypoglycemia as a young adult, slowly over the course of a year, my husband started having migraines and restless leg syndrome and some fibromyalgia-like symptoms with fatigue and stinging pains especially in his feet.  I did a web search and found a lot of info about aspartame being implicated in a fibromyalgia-like syndrome. He stopped using it and within a week all of his symptoms were greatly improved (the migraines were gone), and after a few months without aspartame all of the symptoms had completely resolved. Unfortunately he promptly developed diabetes because he had switched to sugar.  Now he uses Splenda with no trouble so far. –Patti Patti, when I first read this, I thought you had the hypoglycemia and your aspartame use caused your husband to get migraines.  ;-) I have been tested for hypoglycemia and I do think my blood suagar fluctautes. I never use aspartame. Hubby is allergic and we are vigialnt in keeping it out of the house. ‘did

: )  Hehehe.  Funny.  But when he eats too much sorbitol I sometimes have trouble breathing comfortably.

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Actually, I loved the diet Dr. Pepper.  I was on a plane.  I went home and thought well that’s not so bad and tried some diet cream soda as I love cream soda.  It tasted okay, so I bought a couple of six packs and proceeded to drink it.  That’s when I started noticing the migraines and then after that I just couldn’t tolerate it at all.  Now I can’t even have it. I can, however, drink Splenda drinks and I love Coke C2 and Pepsi Edge.  I struggle with completely diet sodas with Splenda like diet rite, but I don’t get migraines from it at all. Michelle

DH is diabetic and sensitive to aspartame, and he won’t drink plain water or iced tea, so we’ve travelled far to find some things he can drink that he likes that are sweetened with Splenda.  Kroger makes a 1-liter flavored "sparkling water" that comes in a lot of fruit flavors.  It goes on sale for 50 cents a liter frequently.  It’s usually with the bottled water, not with the soft drinks.  Flavors include Key lime, tropical fruit, peach, strawberry, raspberry, etc.  Food Lion is a grocery chain in the southeastern US.  They make something similar, but it costs around 20 cents more per liter.  There’s something similar at Wal-Mart but it’s sweetened with aspartame.  Fruit-2-0 is sweetened with Splenda but not sparkling, and it’s expensive and not yummy.  I would be willing to bet that lots of yer yankee grocery chains have a similar store brand yummy fruity sparkling water sweetened with splenda. Also, DH says Diet Rite is icky, but he likes Diet Cheerwine, which is also sweetened with Splenda.  It tastes a little like a mixture of diet cherry coke and diet Dr. Pepper.

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Oh and for me, caffeine in a drink form doesn’t affect me.  I don’t drink coffee and don’t drink Cokes all day, so it’s not an issue for my aspertame related migraines. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting, so you started drinking this stuff and suddenly started getting migraines too?  If so were you getting the migraine right after drinking it or was it more of a delayed reaction? I absolutely abhor diet drinks in general (can’t stand the fake taste of aspartame, it is easily distinguishable from sugar) so this is the first time I’ve ever ingested more than a few sips. Can’t rule out a caffeine effect yet, however. Amazing…Diet Dr. Pepper was my first movement into the diet drink world about a year ago for the same reason…I never liked them at all. Same thing happened to me and ever since, no aspartame for me.  I can’t drink diet sodas, no Crystal Light…none of that stuff.  I never had such a sensitivity to all of it, but I can’t have it anymore. Maybe it’s a bad thing to start with the diet Dr. Pepper ;-) Michelle

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Actually, I loved the diet Dr. Pepper.  I was on a plane.  I went home and thought well that’s not so bad and tried some diet cream soda as I love cream soda.  It tasted okay, so I bought a couple of six packs and proceeded to drink it.  That’s when I started noticing the migraines and then after that I just couldn’t tolerate it at all.  Now I can’t even have it. I can, however, drink Splenda drinks and I love Coke C2 and Pepsi Edge.  I struggle with completely diet sodas with Splenda like diet rite, but I don’t get migraines from it at all. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting, so you started drinking this stuff and suddenly started getting migraines too?  If so were you getting the migraine right after drinking it or was it more of a delayed reaction? I absolutely abhor diet drinks in general (can’t stand the fake taste of aspartame, it is easily distinguishable from sugar) so this is the first time I’ve ever ingested more than a few sips. Can’t rule out a caffeine effect yet, however. Amazing…Diet Dr. Pepper was my first movement into the diet drink world about a year ago for the same reason…I never liked them at all. Same thing happened to me and ever since, no aspartame for me.  I can’t drink diet sodas, no Crystal Light…none of that stuff.  I never had such a sensitivity to all of it, but I can’t have it anymore. Maybe it’s a bad thing to start with the diet Dr. Pepper ;-) Michelle

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Yep, been to all of those too.  I love sparkling waters, so I drank the Albertson’s version of lemon for a long time.  I didn’t really care if was sweetened or not.  I drink Fruit 2-0 and it’s okay.  I stick to Raspberry. I typically drink the Coke C2 when I want a regular type of coke but less sugar and calories.  We do have the King Soopers up here, the southern version of Kroger and they have some stuff too.  Propel is good, but spendy. I tend to go over to Walmart or Sams for any of my flavored drinks.  I’m in a minority in that I love water and iced tea, so I will typically drink water a lot. I wouldn’t mind a dr. pepper with splenda though ;-)  I love that stuff…at least I can always drink the regular if I’m really hard up. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I loved the diet Dr. Pepper.  I was on a plane.  I went home and thought well that’s not so bad and tried some diet cream soda as I love cream soda.  It tasted okay, so I bought a couple of six packs and proceeded to drink it.  That’s when I started noticing the migraines and then after that I just couldn’t tolerate it at all.  Now I can’t even have it. I can, however, drink Splenda drinks and I love Coke C2 and Pepsi Edge. I struggle with completely diet sodas with Splenda like diet rite, but I don’t get migraines from it at all. Michelle DH is diabetic and sensitive to aspartame, and he won’t drink plain water or iced tea, so we’ve travelled far to find some things he can drink that he likes that are sweetened with Splenda.  Kroger makes a 1-liter flavored "sparkling water" that comes in a lot of fruit flavors.  It goes on sale for 50 cents a liter frequently.  It’s usually with the bottled water, not with the soft drinks.  Flavors include Key lime, tropical fruit, peach, strawberry, raspberry, etc.  Food Lion is a grocery chain in the southeastern US.  They make something similar, but it costs around 20 cents more per liter.  There’s something similar at Wal-Mart but it’s sweetened with aspartame.  Fruit-2-0 is sweetened with Splenda but not sparkling, and it’s expensive and not yummy.  I would be willing to bet that lots of yer yankee grocery chains have a similar store brand yummy fruity sparkling water sweetened with splenda. Also, DH says Diet Rite is icky, but he likes Diet Cheerwine, which is also sweetened with Splenda.  It tastes a little like a mixture of diet cherry coke and diet Dr. Pepper.

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Yes,  my husband is diabetic and when he was first diagnosed we switched to everyone at home using sugar substitutes.  Suddenly I started having horrible migraines constantly.  Finally narrowed down the trigger as aparatame.  Some people are very sensitive to this substance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday I had my first certain migraine (after some panic about what the hell it was, thought I was going blind!).  Got the classic aura, blind spot in the center of my eye expanding into a crescent with rapidly flashing colored zigzags until it filled my left peripheral vision, then disappeared and came back again once more.  A few hours later I had an unusually bad headache, and this morning I still have a headache and unusually disconnected feeling. So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.  I never drank diet soda before but recently realized that diet dr pepper was highly tolerable and a good way to get through the workday without eating junk food. Does anyone know they have aspartame trigger?  Do triggers have to happen immediately before a migraine?  The thing is, yesterday was the first workday in about 2-3 weeks that I *didn’t* drink any diet soda. Just trying to figure out what caused this to avoid it happening again. Thanks. I get severe headpain from Nutrasweet, Aspartame, Splenda, and any other sugar wanna-be.  It hits fast and furious.  My mother responds the same way. Hope you figure out what is causing yours soon! deep peace, Lavon

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Same here, I have yet to find any clear cut food triggers.  I know that caffeine can do it sometimes, and I am suspicious of peanuts, but I can eat/drink both most of the time no problem.  The only clear-cut triggers for me are environmental.  Excessive heat, noise, brightness will do it every time for me. But reading through this thread, at least a few people have aspartame as a trigger.  I’ve been drinking coke C2 the past half-year (half-sugar, half-aspartame, kinda sorta tastes like real coke) and the occasional diet coke, and no headaches, so I guess I am lucky.

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So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.   I get severe headpain from Nutrasweet, Aspartame, Splenda, and any  other sugar wanna-be.  It hits fast and furious.  My mother responds the same way.

 I too get migraines from aspartame – and did so long before meeting others who had the same problem or reading about anyone else who was thus affected. I also would not rule out the bright orange screen effect — i have gotten migraines from bright yellow, orange, or flashing web pages, movies, and tv ads. Cordially, cat yronwode

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Same with me! That sugar substitute really sets me off. I cant stand to even look at the stuff the way it smells when being poured out of the packet makes me sick to my stomach. Also cant stand the way deodarent smells,really bothers me. I dont wear it, lucky tho,that I dont perspire too bad. I like Pachiolli {sp?} oil smells, ya know what hippies use. So I use that as a deodarent {sp?} cant think, hate that. MM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So since this is my first one, I’m trying to figure out what triggered it.  Specifically yesterday I went jogging (3x/week on and off, nothing new). I ate some little pieces of chocolate with nuts in them afterwards (nothing new). Then I was looking at the ING direct website which was bright blinding orange (yikes!) right before it happened. The only thing I’ve been doing systematically different is having a diet soda once per day for the past few weeks.   I get severe headpain from Nutrasweet, Aspartame, Splenda, and any  other sugar wanna-be.  It hits fast and furious.  My mother responds the same way. I too get migraines from aspartame – and did so long before meeting others who had the same problem or reading about anyone else who was thus affected. I also would not rule out the bright orange screen effect — i have gotten migraines from bright yellow, orange, or flashing web pages, movies, and tv ads. Cordially, cat yronwode

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said: BobB How are you BobB? I haven’t the faintest idea who wrote that. MM

Thanks for asking MM. I’m fine…slightly mad, but fine. I looked on the Net to see what I could find and found too much. As it turns out, the idea that yellow is the color of madness seems to be a universal opinion with no particular author. Everybody and his dog quotes the expression, but nobody, that I could find, attributes it to any particular source. One writer who came from Russia said he thought it came from the Russian habit of painting insane asylums yellow. Another suggested that it came from Spain where executioners wore yellow robes. Another thought it was related to Vincent van Gogh’s habit of eating his paints "which drove him mad." (Actually, he absent mindedly chewed on his brushes; a manifestation of his madness, but probably not the cause.) I thought the expression probably came from Charlotte Perkins Gilman’s disturbing short story "The Yellow Wallpaper", but I looked there and found nothing. So I give up … it’s an unsettling subject anyway. Hope all is well with you and your three little ones. BobB —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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said: — i have gotten migraines from bright yellow, orange, or flashing web pages, movies, and tv ads. Cordially, cat yronwode BobB

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— i have gotten migraines from bright yellow, orange, or flashing web pages, movies, and tv ads. Cordially, cat yronwode

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I didn’t know that.  I guess the aspartame that is in there is small enough to not bother me.  Amazing. I just checked the press release on Coke Zero and it’s coming out in June. Unfortunately, it’s still going to have this same combination…my guess is they are dropping off the sugar to get it to zero calories.  Hmmm, not sure I’ll go for that taste nearly as much, but we’ll see. I’ll have to go check the Pepsi Edge and see what’s in there. Thanks for the correction…as much as I like it, it’s good to know what’s in there. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Correction on your correction :)  I just checked the ingredients of Coke C2 and it has half sugar and the other half is some combination of aspartame, acesulfame potassium and sucralose (splenda).  That’s right, *3* artificial sweeteners PLUS sugar!  There’s a diet coke coming out soon that’s sweetened with Splenda, I may switch to that if it tastes ok. Correction, half sugar, half Splenda.  Coke C2 is the new cut at a Splenda drink.  They’ll be coming out with their full Splenda version shortly.  It was slated for spring. Michelle Same here, I have yet to find any clear cut food triggers.  I know that caffeine can do it sometimes, and I am suspicious of peanuts, but I can eat/drink both most of the time no problem.  The only clear-cut triggers for me are environmental.  Excessive heat, noise, brightness will do it every time for me. But reading through this thread, at least a few people have aspartame as a trigger.  I’ve been drinking coke C2 the past half-year (half-sugar, half-aspartame, kinda sorta tastes like real coke) and the occasional diet coke, and no headaches, so I guess I am lucky.

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Correction on your correction :)  I just checked the ingredients of Coke C2 and it has half sugar and the other half is some combination of aspartame, acesulfame potassium and sucralose (splenda).  That’s right, *3* artificial sweeteners PLUS sugar!  There’s a diet coke coming out soon that’s sweetened with Splenda, I may switch to that if it tastes ok. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Correction, half sugar, half Splenda.  Coke C2 is the new cut at a Splenda drink.  They’ll be coming out with their full Splenda version shortly.  It was slated for spring. Michelle Same here, I have yet to find any clear cut food triggers.  I know that caffeine can do it sometimes, and I am suspicious of peanuts, but I can eat/drink both most of the time no problem.  The only clear-cut triggers for me are environmental.  Excessive heat, noise, brightness will do it every time for me. But reading through this thread, at least a few people have aspartame as a trigger.  I’ve been drinking coke C2 the past half-year (half-sugar, half-aspartame, kinda sorta tastes like real coke) and the occasional diet coke, and no headaches, so I guess I am lucky.

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Correction, half sugar, half Splenda.  Coke C2 is the new cut at a Splenda drink.  They’ll be coming out with their full Splenda version shortly.  It was slated for spring. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Same here, I have yet to find any clear cut food triggers.  I know that caffeine can do it sometimes, and I am suspicious of peanuts, but I can eat/drink both most of the time no problem.  The only clear-cut triggers for me are environmental.  Excessive heat, noise, brightness will do it every time for me. But reading through this thread, at least a few people have aspartame as a trigger.  I’ve been drinking coke C2 the past half-year (half-sugar, half-aspartame, kinda sorta tastes like real coke) and the occasional diet coke, and no headaches, so I guess I am lucky.

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The hope for a cure is revitalized

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Well okay, I will keep you all informed. I don’t see why he wouldn’t prescribe them, since he is pretty good about prescribing other things that I needed in the past and I had been going to him for about 6 years now. The only way he wouldn’t prescribe it is if he thinks I don’t need it for the reason, or that the test was borderline, but we’ll see. If not I’ll just keep taking Lysine and keeping a good diet. I went off the Lysine for a week just to see if it made a difference and I did notice that I felt alot worse when not using it. I went back on the Lysine and in a couple of days felt better. As far as meds go, I have talked to other people with genital herpes, and quite a few didn’t take meds at all. So I wonder if there is a lower percentage of people that actually use meds and if this is because these are the people that actually reported it to their doctor or maybe because alot of people didn’t really know what it was initially or didn’t care about it? Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom, It sure does sound fine.  Let’s hope he prescribes the meds.  Make sure you have a copy of your bloodtest saying you have type 1.  (If it is a different doctor than did the test) Keep us informed. ar says… Hello ar, Well my primary or monster outbreak is almost on the way out except for tiredness, body aches, back ache and still some blisters that keep coming out, but I am slowly getting better. I figured I waited this long that I can wait to see him in a little over a week. I never told my primary doctor that I had contracted herpes several years back, and I wanted to tell him the whole story of what happened years ago and how recently it got worse (more frequent and more severe) from stress(?) I am going to tell him that I really think I need medicine to control the outbreaks. Does that sound okay like that? Thanks, Tom Hi Tom, I don’t believe Perl is actually wanting people to suffer.  I believe he actual thinks he is helping.  The problem is that he is very misguided. Do you need to wait to see your doctor for medication?  Just ask if they will phone it in to the pharmacy for you.  Many doctors will because they understand that this is a pain that can not wait. ar Tom says… Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn’t make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom

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Well if I have another outbreak like this again, I’m about ready to kill myself. This was really bad! The funny thing is now almost all the symptoms are going in terms of itching and blisters and burning, but I still have this annoying back ache, even on the upper back, and my glands in my back, underarms and neck are sore as if I have mono also, and that cannot be because I already had mono. My prescription plan is pretty good. I think valtrex is retail $240.00 and with my plan it would be $20.00 per month.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i don’t use meds simply because my insurance plan is not very good with prescriptions, and I don’t really have the money to spend on this right now.  However, if my OBs were to get signficantly worse, I’d definitely have to consider it.

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i don’t use meds simply because my insurance plan is not very good with prescriptions, and I don’t really have the money to spend on this right now.  However, if my OBs were to get signficantly worse, I’d definitely have to consider it.  

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Hi Tom, It sure does sound fine.  Let’s hope he prescribes the meds.  Make sure you have a copy of your bloodtest saying you have type 1.  (If it is a different doctor than did the test) Keep us informed. ar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello ar, Well my primary or monster outbreak is almost on the way out except for tiredness, body aches, back ache and still some blisters that keep coming out, but I am slowly getting better. I figured I waited this long that I can wait to see him in a little over a week. I never told my primary doctor that I had contracted herpes several years back, and I wanted to tell him the whole story of what happened years ago and how recently it got worse (more frequent and more severe) from stress(?) I am going to tell him that I really think I need medicine to control the outbreaks. Does that sound okay like that? Thanks, Tom Hi Tom, I don’t believe Perl is actually wanting people to suffer.  I believe he actual thinks he is helping.  The problem is that he is very misguided. Do you need to wait to see your doctor for medication?  Just ask if they will phone it in to the pharmacy for you.  Many doctors will because they understand that this is a pain that can not wait. ar says… Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn’t make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom

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Hello ar, Well my primary or monster outbreak is almost on the way out except for tiredness, body aches, back ache and still some blisters that keep coming out, but I am slowly getting better. I figured I waited this long that I can wait to see him in a little over a week. I never told my primary doctor that I had contracted herpes several years back, and I wanted to tell him the whole story of what happened years ago and how recently it got worse (more frequent and more severe) from stress(?) I am going to tell him that I really think I need medicine to control the outbreaks. Does that sound okay like that? Thanks, Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tom, I don’t believe Perl is actually wanting people to suffer.  I believe he actual thinks he is helping.  The problem is that he is very misguided. Do you need to wait to see your doctor for medication?  Just ask if they will phone it in to the pharmacy for you.  Many doctors will because they understand that this is a pain that can not wait. ar says… Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn’t make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom

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Hi Tom, I don’t believe Perl is actually wanting people to suffer.  I believe he actual thinks he is helping.  The problem is that he is very misguided. Do you need to wait to see your doctor for medication?  Just ask if they will phone it in to the pharmacy for you.  Many doctors will because they understand that this is a pain that can not wait. ar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn’t make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom

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Well said. I think its really terrible for people to get pleasure out of others who are suffering with herpes or anything for that matter. I am still sick with herpes, waiting to see my doctor for medicine and have had alot of physical pain and emotional trauma, having feelings of being alone. It doesn’t make any sense why someone like Perl would have herpes and want to make other with herpes suffer. Thanks, Tom  It might be hard to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – believe, but there ARE people in this world who get their jollies out of contributing to the misery of others. Take care, Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – posted: Indeed, since the revelation about the acne’s relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne’s subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks’ problematic. Let’s keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie! Hey, Perl!  It may come as a shock to you, but one doesn’t "do scientific research" on a newsgroup.  Not even a support newsgroup.

You don’t get the satirical side of some stories? Ya see, Perl, real scientists read each other’s work all the time, and unlike you, they know what’s going on, research-wise, in the field of viruses.  The idea that YOU are going to read even a small portion of the relevant literature and discover some connection or make some inference that hundreds or thousands of people with far more knowledge and much more smarts than you have previously missed or not made is laughable.

OK, let’s laugh together, then. Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you’ve seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really).  Take all of his recommendations and ideas with a very large grain of salt.

How about a pallet of sugar based homeopathic pill? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike Mouse the tiny one Perl von Molson

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Pardon the curiosity Perl, but what has re-energized your research efforts?  If I’m not mistaken, you recently had given up trying to eliminate the herpes virus after several unsuccessful attempts.  I’m just wondering what caused the change of heart?

I consider as a rather naive approach to the problem of herpes if there are being ignored a series of other factors that seem to be related. Let’s not forget that, from a highly infected population with herpes simplex virus, only a small percentage seems to have a chronic series of outbreaks along a period of time that can be exteded for decades to some. At the core of the causality it has to be other factors involved than those already taken in consideration. I’ve always noticed how the skin behaves during a herpes activation. There are several characteristics of the way the skin reacts to a "foreign object" such as a virus. In homeopathy, there is a remedy namely "silica" (flint) that has the following "key symptoms": Boil or carbuncle is filled with bad-smelling pus; infections from a foreign body in the tissue; swollen lymph nodes. (inspired from ‘homeopathic self-care by Robert Ullman, N.D., JR-Ullman, N.D.) Such an approach to the disease made me rethink and consider to bring  a follow-up, using a different pattern of treatment. As a tip, try reading a little about acne, in special from books that use naturistic and nutritional treatments; a great start would be "Prescriptions for Natural Cures" by James Balch M.D. and Mark Stengler, N.D.; you will be surprised by the findings. Perl von Molson

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Well I guess we’ll have to be careful. Herpes has become a very real and very painful problem both physically and emotionally.

I strongly sympathize with your situation, and with others for whom the pain and trauma is very real, and it is mainly for the sakes of such people that I give Perlie a hard time.  Not only do you and others come here with the physical and emotional shocks of finding out you have this incurable (and in your case, quite bothersome) disease, but you don’t yet know all the little technical details of viruses in general and herpes in particular, and then you have to deal with the notion that someone posting to a support group might not actually have your best interests at heart.  That person would be Perl.  He has lied about the long term effects of Valtrex and Acyclovir, while disparaging their overall effectiveness.  He has cast unfounded aspersions at people here who recommend those proven and effective drugs.  His postings otherwise largely consist of material unrelated to the core purpose of the group, and he repeatedly recommends procedures or alternate "treatments" which, if followed uncritically, could be harmful to the user.                                                    I think its good to have varied input from different users though.

I heartily agree.  And criticizing Perl is part of the "varied input" that happens around here.  When Perl recommended heating up wooden spoons and holding them to his lips/oral region as a cure for herpes I laughed at him.  When he or someone else recommended grinding up black walnuts and smearing them on the skin, I pointed out the silliness and laughed some more.  When Perl talked about creating an infusion of garlic in oil to smear on his lips, I pointed out the danger of botulism in his preparation method.  When he’s talked about DMSO and MSM, I pointed out the dangers there.  He recently made claims about gluten that were wrong, and I corrected him.  He’s been here for three years and he has rarely been right about anything, and even less often has he been even a little bit helpful.                                     I did however hear somewhere that acne was related to herpes outbreaks, but it doesn’t mean that if you have acne you have herpes.

"[R]elated" can mean a lot of different things.  Perhaps people disposed to severe HSV outbreaks are also disposed to severe acne. Perhaps acne, in some people, is a trigger for herpes outbreaks, just as with other people strong sun or damp cold can trigger an outbreak, but that doesn’t mean that Perl can find a cure for herpes by taking up the study of meteorology.  If the sun triggers outbreaks in YOU, then wear wide-brimmed hats and use sunblock.  If acne triggers outbreaks, then treat the acne, and you might have fewer outbreaks, but don’t fall prey to the illusion that you are doing anything other than reducing the symptoms. With respect to Perl, all I’m saying is that based on his posting history over the last three years, people should be extremely skeptical of his claims and suggestions.  It might be hard to believe, but there ARE people in this world who get their jollies out of contributing to the misery of others. Take care, Mike

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Pardon the curiosity Perl, but what has re-energized your research efforts?  If I’m not mistaken, you recently had given up trying to eliminate the herpes virus after several unsuccessful attempts.  I’m just wondering what caused the change of heart?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Indeed, since the revelation about the acne’s relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne’s subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks’ problematic. Let’s keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie! Perl von Molson

Good luck clearing the virus from the ganglion, since nobody to date has done so.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Indeed, since the revelation about the acne’s relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne’s subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks’ problematic. Let’s keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie! Perl von Molson Good luck clearing the virus from the ganglion, since nobody to date has done so.

Thanks a bunch. Perl von Molson

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posted: Indeed, since the revelation about the acne’s relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne’s subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks’ problematic. Let’s keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie!

Hey, Perl!  It may come as a shock to you, but one doesn’t "do scientific research" on a newsgroup.  Not even a support newsgroup. Ya see, Perl, real scientists read each other’s work all the time, and unlike you, they know what’s going on, research-wise, in the field of viruses.  The idea that YOU are going to read even a small portion of the relevant literature and discover some connection or make some inference that hundreds or thousands of people with far more knowledge and much more smarts than you have previously missed or not made is laughable. Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you’ve seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really).  Take all of his recommendations and ideas with a very large grain of salt. Mike Soja – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Perl von Moron

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Well I guess we’ll have to be careful. Herpes has become a very real and very painful problem both physically and emotionally. I think its good to have varied input from different users though. I did however hear somewhere that acne was related to herpes outbreaks, but it doesn’t mean that if you have acne you have herpes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newbies beware: Perl is either a troll, or the dumbest person you’ve seen in awhile (which is the same thing, really).  Take all of his recommendations and ideas with a very large grain of salt. Mike Soja Perl von Moron

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Indeed, since the revelation about the acne’s relationship with herpes, there are now more options opened toward a cure. There are several aspects of acne; homeopathy may play its own role in eliminating some of acne’s subtile rather unnoticed chronic problems, all part of the general herpes trigger/outbreaks’ problematic. Let’s keep the hope for a cure, rolling, folks! Perl is now back, to do scientific research and all that! You go, Perlie! Perl von Molson

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Geometric Patterns

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Wow, thank you for all of the links. I think that the medicine is named imitrix or something like that, but I’ve never taken it. because the pain comes on so fast. I’ve wondered if there is a connection with the lights because it does seem to happen most at dusk when headlights are coming on. Thanks again for all of the links. Joe

Oncoming hreadlights in moderate to heavy traffic are a very bad trigger for me, as are flashing lights of any kind if they are bright enough,, I absolutly hate getting stuck behind a snowplow,, sunlight flickering through trees at close to a right angle to the road I’m on will do it too. Bear I hope the Imitrex works as well for you as it does for my little sister,, it is a life saver for her with very little side effects (Lucky her!!)

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Sounds like migraine with aura (or a migraine variant with aura, which might be a more correct description). Are you driving through lines of trees with the sun flickering through them? Do you wear sunglasses while driving (glare might be part of the trigger)? A food and weather journal could help you see if there is a pattern to the headaches. Cindy Wells (I get the icepick type of pain at times but, for me, they never correlated with the few times I’ve been hit by an aura.)

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Wow, thank you for all of the links. I think that the medicine is named imitrix or something like that, but I’ve never taken it. because the pain comes on so fast. I’ve wondered if there is a connection with the lights because it does seem to happen most at dusk when headlights are coming on. Thanks again for all of the links. Joe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe someone has an idea of what these could be, or what I might try. These have been coming more and more often, twice in the last week. I get a brief but excrutiating pain lasting less than half a minute. It feels like a knife held vertically is slicing my brain in half from the middle of my forehead back. This is followed by pulsating geometric (neon) pattern before my field of vision lasting about 45 minutes. Then it is gone completely. The pattern covers up to about 40% of my field of vision, but is always on the left side. Possibly migraine with aura. Glad to hear you had it checked. What did the doctor give you to try? Possibly triggered by bright lights from the drive. Did you mean evening (dark) or earlier with flickering sunlight. Both the flickering sunlight and bright lights from oncoming cars could do it. Or it could have something to do with food or drink you have during the day or odours you encounter. See http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/9385-9.asp http://www.achenet.org/articles/9.php http://www.migraine-aura.org/EN/Visual_Symptoms.html http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/ty7013.asp http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Migraine_20Visual_20Aura_20Simulation If you haven’t found the FAQ for ashm yet, it is http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ Some good sites: http://headaches.about.com/ http://www.migraines.org/ http://www.achenet.org/ http://www.headachedrugs.com/ http://www.headaches.org/ http://ahsnet.org/ http://www.w-h-a.org/wha2/index.asp http://www.neuroland.com/ http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/headache/headache.htm http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZSQSNVKI… http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/migraine.html Chart (comparing Migraine, Cluster, Tension headache symptoms) http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mbrauch/SYMPTO~1.HTM IHS criteria http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/Migraine/IHScrit.html Migraine http://healthinfo.healthgate.com/GetContent.aspx?account=healthlibrar… or http://tinyurl.com/4nqyt IHS guidelines (.pdf, slideshow etc.) http://216.25.100.131/members/Sections/members/login/Temp_Frame/frame… Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/migraine/natural-cures/ http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support…. Kadee

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Maybe someone has an idea of what these could be, or what I might try. These have been coming more and more often, twice in the last week. I get a brief but excrutiating pain lasting less than half a minute. It feels like a knife held vertically is slicing my brain in half from the middle of my forehead back. This is followed by pulsating geometric (neon) pattern before my field of vision lasting about 45 minutes. Then it is gone completely. The pattern covers up to about 40% of my field of vision, but is always on the left side. The only thing that I can figure is that they often happen after an evening drive in the car, but never in the morning. I get out of the car, walk into a store or my house, and they hit. I sometimes also hear a repeating, whooshing noise in my ears after driving like I have a window open and I’m driving past a fence or wall. I’m driving a different car now and I’m driving with my windows up so it’s not wind. My eye doctor when I got glasses found nothing wrong. My family doctor gave me samples to try when I feel them coming on but sorry – they come out of nowhere. I have limited money to spend on doctors. With a son with Crohns disease the doctors already have my retirement. I would sure be grateful for ideas of where I can read about this or research treatments. I can’t afford expensive tests to rule out one in a thousand shots. Thanking you in advance, Joe in Florida

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Possible cure for Multiple Scleroisis and intestional problems ?

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Michael said:

Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe. Nasty stuff.    I’ve tried it, and it’s a pretty neat high… but it’s addictive, and chronic use can cause serious brain damage. Incidentally, it’s not illegal anywhere at all… it’s just not legal in the USA and several other places to sell it for internal use… and in many places, absinthe is making a comeback.

Hmmm… I just checked it out. Wormwood’s not illegal in the USA even for sale for internal use:  it’s still farmed there and it’s commonly sold there and all over the world as an "herbal suppplement/remedy". http://www.google.com/search?as_q=wormwood+supplement It’s also farmed and processed to extract the artemisinin in it, which is now an important anti-malarial. http://aacb.com/publications/ed/view.asp?type=economic&newsletterID=87 "After years of hesitation, world health agencies are racing to acquire 100 million doses of a Chinese herbal drug that has proved strikingly effective against malaria, one of the leading killers of the poor. The drug, artemisinin, is a compound based on qinghaosu, or sweet wormwood. First isolated by Chinese military researchers, it cut the death rate by 97 per cent in a malaria epidemic in Vietnam in the early 1990s." Wormwood’s not in the list of ingredients of the Absorbine Jr. I have here in my bathroom, but it does appear on their website… so I think maybe it’s only been removed in the Canadian formulation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

It was also only a short time ago (the past decade or less?) that wormwood was removed from the ingredient list of Absorbine Jr. Start trying to import wormword into hte United States, and somebody else will be the judge, after the narc squad hauls you in. Who’d be bothered importing it?   It was farmed in the USA for most of the past century, and it grows wild just about everywhere in the temperate world… as do a number of other plants containing the same active ingredient – thujone. Sheesh.  It never ceases to maze me what people will send in here. Sylvia

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Hi Michael;

Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe. Nasty stuff.    I’ve tried it, and it’s a pretty neat high… but it’s addictive, and chronic use can cause serious brain damage. Incidentally, it’s not illegal anywhere at all… it’s just not legal in the USA and several other places to sell it for internal use… and in many places, absinthe is making a comeback.

Hmmm.  This is news to me; I thought absinthe was illegal in most places, Portugal is one exception I remember. My late boyfriend, in his quest to be Vincent Van Gogh, found wormwood for sale Online.  I had a fit and told him not to buy it.  I didn’t want the narc squad at our front door I had read about Van Gogh, absinthe, and wormwood in Scientific American about 1989, and the article said absinthe had been outlawed in the early part of the last century.  Absinthe sounded very nasty; it is so bitter that it is drunk with a sugar cube to kill the taste. You can see the ritual of drinking it in several Post-Impressionist paintigs.  The absinthe is a green drink that almost glows.

Who’d be bothered importing it?   It was farmed in the USA for most of the past century, and it grows wild just about everywhere in the temperate world… as do a number of other plants containing the same active ingredient – thujone.

Yes, the article mentioned cypress trees as another source of thujone. We’ll never know how much the wormwood contributed to the genius and madness of Van Gogh.  The article I read said it may have beeen a major factor to both.  Notice all those weird, wavy lines in the paintings; was he actually seeing those? Sylvia

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On 1 Dec 2004 11:36:13 -0800, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Dory; Donn, has done his home work and he is right…..  Did you know he cut his ear off? Not Donn, but the painters name I can’t spell anymore… Yes, that must be the most famous ear in the world.  Van Gogh’s self-portraits with the bandages on his head are frightening. He cut the ear off in a fit of rage because the painter Paul Gauguin left the "Studio of the South" Van Gogh had tried to set up in southern France. Van Gogh had mental problems his tntire life;absinthe and maybe syphilis just added to them. Sylvia

Vincent cut his ear off and gave it to a prostitute. In his later paintings, the effects of medication caused him to see things differently; nonetheless, he captured what the brain thought the eyes were seeing, the swirls in the sky, the luminescent. Irving Stone’s "Lust for Life" is a good read on the life of this now highly prized painter/artist despite the fact that he never really sold any of his works. Vincent’s brother, Theo, kept all the letters from Vincent. These letters became the basis for Stone’s story. Theo’s wife, knowing fully of the love by Theo for his brother, created the first art showing of Vincent’s works. The rest was history. If one reads the book, "Lust for Life," the essential question the reader can ask and never fully answer: was Van Gogh successful. Donn

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Yes, I do belive he was successful despite his madness…. He developed a colour of yellow that is used to this day. I suppose now I will be driven to read yet another book:-)  dory

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Dory;

Donn, has done his home work and he is right…..  Did you know he cut his ear off? Not Donn, but the painters name I can’t spell anymore…

Yes, that must be the most famous ear in the world.  Van Gogh’s self-portraits with the bandages on his head are frightening. He cut the ear off in a fit of rage because the painter Paul Gauguin left the "Studio of the South" Van Gogh had tried to set up in southern France. Van Gogh had mental problems his tntire life;absinthe and maybe syphilis just added to them. Sylvia

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I read Van Gogh cut off his ear to prove his love for a lady love….. and he discovered the beautiful yellow you see in paintings…… He was Manic, and sick…. but he has added to my world of art…. dory

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Donn;

Did not Vincent Van Gogh suffer from syphilis?

If he did, it was not mentioned in anything I’ve read.  But it’s likely, given his association with prostitues. His brother was supporting him, and Vincent Van Gogh took in a prostitute as his live-in partmer. The famous ear was given to another prostitue, as a gift.

His contact with prostitutes contributed to his later on episodes of insanity, hospitalization and subsequent medication.

He had mental problems his entire life.  He could not hold a job; at one point, his brother Theo, an art dealer, tried to get him to work for the firm that employed him.  Did not work out.  Did you know he was a preacher at one point? He tied to be fulltime painter for a brief period near the end of his life.  He only sold one painting. How did he get famous? After his suicide, his brother died a few months later.  His brother’s widow, left with a baby, began trying to sell Van Gogh’s work.  She was helped by his fellow artists.  She managed to find buyers for his work.

Absinthe made his mind go wander, eh?

The alcohol and the wormwod did not do his mental state any good. But these were not the source of his mental problems. Sylvia

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On 27 Nov 2004 17:12:03 -0800, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote:

We’ll never know how much the wormwood contributed to the genius and madness of Van Gogh.  The article I read said it may have beeen a major factor to both.  Notice all those weird, wavy lines in the paintings; was he actually seeing those? Sylvia

Did not Vincent Van Gogh suffer from syphilis? His contact with prostitutes contributed to his later on episodes of insanity, hospitalization and subsequent medication. Absinthe made his mind go wander, eh? Donn

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Donn, has done his home work and he is right…..  Did you know he cut his ear off? Not Donn, but the painters name I can’t spell anymore… dory

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Just last month ‘they’ finally discovered that some sort of bacteria, was responsible for Crohn’s disesase….where intestional problems are the norm…. So you can see that ‘they’ are really not focused on the causes…

Non sequitar.

If they don’t know…then why give ‘them’ much credit…first of all…

The cause of MS has not been found yet, but that doesn’t mean researchers aren’t looking.  I don’t know whatever gave you that idea.

I am not so concerned about the exact problem…but rather potential treatments….

If you’re into parasites as the cause of every disease out there, "Dr." Hulda Clark has cornered the market.  Yeah, she knows the cause of MS.  She thinks. Paraites have been investigated; no proof was found. BTW, "Dr." Clark is not really a doctor; last I heard, she was preacticing her bullhockey in Mexico. Sylvia

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hi Michael; <snip

Yes, the article mentioned cypress trees as another source of thujone. And many, many other plants… parsley, tansy and sage are three of them that have been culinary herbs practically forever.

Nutmeg is also hallucinogenic, in large quantities.

We’ll never know how much the wormwood contributed to the genius and madness of Van Gogh.  The article I read said it may have beeen a major factor to both.  Notice all those weird, wavy lines in the paintings; was he actually seeing those? Beats me.   I only saw things that were there… but a little fuzzy and quite colour-enhanced.  :-)

Interesting!  Van Gogh’s paintings got very colorful after he moved to France and took up with the absinthe-drinking artists.  I wonder if absinthe is thr reason for the colorful paintings of that era. . .I’ll leave that for somebody writing a master’s thesis; "The Effects of Absinthe On Post0Impression Art." Sylvia

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Just last month ‘they’ finally discovered that some sort of bacteria, was responsible for Crohn’s disesase….where intestional problems are the norm…. So you can see that ‘they’ are really not focused on the causes… If they don’t know…then why give ‘them’ much credit…first of all… I am not so concerned about the exact problem…but rather potential treatments…. Caesar J. B. Squitti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote in message <news:e43f7f84.0411282044.792bd445@posting.google.com

… caesarjbsquitti) wrote: Not to miss the focus of the thread, is that "intestional problems’ is associated with MS, so there MAY BE an parasitic/bacterial, or similar infection that may be at the core of the problem… Sorry, I and many others here do NOT have intestinal problems. so in dealing with the intestional compenent there are many good herbal remidies on the market that include such things as garlic and green black walnut hulls… Sure, there are lots of "remedies" out there, because some people blame every disease on intestinal parasites. But nobody has been able to come up with the parasites. This theory has been around for years, and it is still unproven. Sylvia

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wrote in message <news:30s1gbF32respU1@uni-berlin.de… In <news:30s0d7F330gd5U1@uni-berlin.de, Michael said: Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe. Nasty stuff.    I’ve tried it, and it’s a pretty neat high… but it’s addictive, and chronic use can cause serious brain damage. Incidentally, it’s not illegal anywhere at all… it’s just not legal in the USA and several other places to sell it for internal use… and in many places, absinthe is making a comeback. Hmmm… I just checked it out. Wormwood’s not illegal in the USA even for sale for internal use:  it’s still farmed there and it’s commonly sold there and all over the world as an "herbal suppplement/remedy". http://www.google.com/search?as_q=wormwood+supplement It’s also farmed and processed to extract the artemisinin in it, which is now an important anti-malarial. http://aacb.com/publications/ed/view.asp?type=economic&newsletterID=87 "After years of hesitation, world health agencies are racing to acquire 100 million doses of a Chinese herbal drug that has proved strikingly effective against malaria, one of the leading killers of the poor. The drug, artemisinin, is a compound based on qinghaosu, or sweet wormwood. First isolated by Chinese military researchers, it cut the death rate by 97 per cent in a malaria epidemic in Vietnam in the early 1990s." Wormwood’s not in the list of ingredients of the Absorbine Jr. I have here in my bathroom, but it does appear on their website… so I think maybe it’s only been removed in the Canadian formulation. It was also only a short time ago (the past decade or less?) that wormwood was removed from the ingredient list of Absorbine Jr. Start trying to import wormword into hte United States, and somebody else will be the judge, after the narc squad hauls you in. Who’d be bothered importing it?   It was farmed in the USA for most of the past century, and it grows wild just about everywhere in the temperate world… as do a number of other plants containing the same active ingredient – thujone.

Not to miss the focus of the thread, is that "intestional problems’ is associated with MS, so there MAY BE an parasitic/bacterial, or similar infection that may be at the core of the problem… so in dealing with the intestional compenent there are many good herbal remidies on the market that include such things as garlic and green black walnut hulls… Very effective…for there purpose…and given the lack of attention by the medical system on bacterial infections and their related ’side effects’ or illnesses…i would seriously recommend this as a trail and error….process of elimination treatment… CAesar J. B. Squitti

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In <news:e43f7f84.0411271712.25c0079b@posting.google.com

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Sylvia said:

Hi Michael; Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe. Nasty stuff.    I’ve tried it, and it’s a pretty neat high… but it’s addictive, and chronic use can cause serious brain damage. Incidentally, it’s not illegal anywhere at all… it’s just not legal in the USA and several other places to sell it for internal use… and in many places, absinthe is making a comeback. Hmmm.  This is news to me; I thought absinthe was illegal in most places, Portugal is one exception I remember.

Absinthe is illegal in quite a few countries, but wormwood isn’t.

My late boyfriend, in his quest to be Vincent Van Gogh, found wormwood for sale Online.  I had a fit and told him not to buy it.  I didn’t want the narc squad at our front door

They’d only have been concerned if it had been absinthe.

Yes, the article mentioned cypress trees as another source of thujone.

And many, many other plants… parsley, tansy and sage are three of them that have been culinary herbs practically forever.

We’ll never know how much the wormwood contributed to the genius and madness of Van Gogh.  The article I read said it may have beeen a major factor to both.  Notice all those weird, wavy lines in the paintings; was he actually seeing those?

Beats me.   I only saw things that were there… but a little fuzzy and quite colour-enhanced.  :-) ((U))   M

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ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote in message <news:b92c462a.0411231427.287a1dfd@posting.google.com

… PARASITES IS THE KEY WORD !!!

Got that right. Keith http://www.journalscape.com/keithsnyder

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In <news:c3345943.0411241050.1594c752@posting.google.com

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Keith Snyder said:

ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote in message <news:b92c462a.0411231427.287a1dfd@posting.google.com… PARASITES IS THE KEY WORD !!! Got that right.

Two points.  All net. Swoosh!

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On 24 Nov 2004 10:50:37 -0800, ke…@woollymammoth.com (Keith Snyder) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

Got that right.

Keith! Where have you been? Good to see you again. — Joan

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Joan Carter <spamf…@sentex.ca

wrote in message <news:a51aq0hjkd0k82tboi3qi5nkeh1hegfbe3@4ax.com… Keith! Where have you been? Good to see you again.

Good to be here again–but I’m probably ducking back out as fast as I came in. Got a short film in post-production and twins due any day. I just dropped by to see if anybody was talking about Tysabri and take a quick potshot at any loons I happened to spot. Hope everybody’s good! Keith http://www.journalscape.com/keithsnyder

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On 26 Nov 2004 19:01:35 -0800, ke…@woollymammoth.com (Keith Snyder) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis:

Joan Carter <spamf…@sentex.ca wrote in message <news:a51aq0hjkd0k82tboi3qi5nkeh1hegfbe3@4ax.com… Keith! Where have you been? Good to see you again. Good to be here again–but I’m probably ducking back out as fast as I came in. Got a short film in post-production and twins due any day. I just dropped by to see if anybody was talking about Tysabri and take a quick potshot at any loons I happened to spot.

Twins? Wow? That will keep you out of trouble. And a film in the works. Double congratulations. As for the loons, Jim said to tell you they are running the bin. :-) — Joan

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ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote

Possible cure and related intestional problems ? Here is some important research from an individual. Here is the logic, and (recommend you read Prescription for Natural cures by Dr. Balch and Dr. STengler)

Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam. . .wonderful Spam!  Lovely Spam! <anip bullhockey

Most of the herbal treatments include: (you be the judge, and you must regulate your own unique system…) Wormwood

Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe. Start trying to import wormword into hte United States, and somebody else will be the judge, after the narc squad hauls you in. Sheesh.  It never ceases to maze me what people will send in here. Sylvia

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Hi Keith;

Good to be here again–but I’m probably ducking back out as fast as I came in. Got a short film in post-production and twins due any day.

Twins?  Wow, congratulations! And a short film in post production; good news all around.  I

just dropped by to see if anybody was talking about Tysabri and take a quick potshot at any loons I happened to spot.

As you do so well! <snicker

 Never a shortage of loons around here.

Great to see you back; hope you’ll stop by again soon. Sylvia

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Sylvia said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote Possible cure and related intestional problems ? Here is some important research from an individual. Here is the logic, and (recommend you read Prescription for Natural cures by Dr. Balch and Dr. STengler) Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam. . .wonderful Spam!  Lovely Spam! <anip bullhockey Most of the herbal treatments include: (you be the judge, and you must regulate your own unique system…) Wormwood Wormwood? Wormwood is illegal in most of the world; it’s a highly toxic hallucinogenic, the "kick" in absinthe.

Nasty stuff.    I’ve tried it, and it’s a pretty neat high… but it’s addictive, and chronic use can cause serious brain damage. Incidentally, it’s not illegal anywhere at all… it’s just not legal in the USA and several other places to sell it for internal use… and in many places, absinthe is making a comeback. It was also only a short time ago (the past decade or less?) that wormwood was removed from the ingredient list of Absorbine Jr.

Start trying to import wormword into hte United States, and somebody else will be the judge, after the narc squad hauls you in.

Who’d be bothered importing it?   It was farmed in the USA for most of the past century, and it grows wild just about everywhere in the temperate world… as do a number of other plants containing the same active ingredient – thujone. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Sheesh.  It never ceases to maze me what people will send in here. Sylvia

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Possible cure and related intestional problems ? Here is some important research from an individual. Here is the logic, and (recommend you read Prescription for Natural cures by Dr. Balch and Dr. STengler) A bacterial or intestional parasite, or combination thereof, will create chemical imbalances, due to the lack of them, because your intestional system is not digesting food properly, nor abosrbing key vitamins and mineral, etc.et.etc. MS and a variety of other diseases, may be caused by chemical imbalances or chemical shortages. There are a variety of ‘herbal treatments for parasites’ on the market, now even in drug stores, If you have this disease or even merely intestional problems, trying the ‘treatment’ for intestional parasites, may help, and through the process of elimination might render a solution ! Inform yourself…the science is simple, cause and effect…on  a macro level… Caesar J. B. Squitti —– After suffering from IBS for over 13 years I was able to do some research into the area of parasites, and herbal treatments for parasites. PARASITES IS THE KEY WORD !!! While we were in the herbal business some years ago I never thought of parasites.  Several treatments exist in stores today. Most of the herbal treatments include: (you be the judge, and you must regulate your own unique system…) Green Black Walnut Hulls (ancient italian remedy for intestional problems) Wormwood Cloves Garlic (fresh cloves, cut in small sections and swallowed are also good) Grapefruit seed extract (Russians use this for depression, and it appears IBS, specifically the diarrhea component, will cause chemical imbalances in the body and the brain that may cause depresssion. Barberry Bark Golden Seal Root Ginger – Cleansers reduces spasms. Aloe – promotes bowel movement. (Consult with your health specialist or researcher as well ) EATING ALOT OF FIBER IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT. Avoid sugar. The key words to use on a search engine are: herbal treatments for parasites. It was recently announced that scientests (Lancet) have discovered that bacteria were found in a many or most of the people with Crohn’s disease, a disease very similar to IBS. Alot of fiber and friendly bacteria, ie yogart will help to give you the correct ‘flora" referred to as "PROBIOTIC"…this is good , but you still need some anti-parasitic remedy, (there are some wide spectrum drugs available as well…) After 13 years of pain, and suffering and related symptoms, I hope you all become aware of this. Remember to understand that the symptoms of this disease, renders the absorption of important vitamins and minerals ineffective and therefore you can have a variety of different symptoms related to ‘CHEMICAL IMBALANCES…" such as irritability, confusion, delirium, depression, possibly MS,  and even schizophrenia…) While your body is in this weakened chemical state, you are more sensitive to a variety of environmental and drug effects…be aware of this. I am glad to say that my symptoms disappeared, and my condition improved. —————— I would hope you pass this on to your members. Caesar J. B. Squitti

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Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie

Ronnie, Do you have Migraines? The doctor indicated there is a genetic component. I know my Mother-in-law suffers from them, and so does my husband, although all he gets is the light show and so doesn’t really need to treat his. Joy

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Yes Joy I do and have since I was 10… My grandson seems to be having migraines and he is going to be 11.   Yes they are generic BUT please dont feel guilty about having passed them on to your son (your hubby, your mother in law) I know I did big time for years. Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Ronnie, Do you have Migraines? The doctor indicated there is a genetic component. I know my Mother-in-law suffers from them, and so does my husband, although all he gets is the light show and so doesn’t really need to treat his. Joy

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Ronnie, Well Since I decided to look into it, I now think the doctor may be right. Cyclic vomiting syndrome is the name of the condition and I see that my son has many of the symptoms  - light bothers him, he is socially inept, becoming lethargic during episodes and it is related to other Dysautonomia conditions like POTS (extremely high heart rates – like 200 bpm) which my daughter has (accounts for the use of IV fluids as a remedy) and Chronic Fatigue caused by Orthostatic Intolerance (dramatic blood pressure changes on standing) which his twin has. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes Joy I do and have since I was 10… My grandson seems to be having migraines and he is going to be 11.   Yes they are generic BUT please dont feel guilty about having passed them on to your son (your hubby, your mother in law) I know I did big time for years. Ronnie There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Ronnie, Do you have Migraines? The doctor indicated there is a genetic component. I know my Mother-in-law suffers from them, and so does my husband, although all he gets is the light show and so doesn’t really need to treat his. Joy

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There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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It is going to be a long road Joy.  Most of all dont let him see how upset you are when he is having one of his attacks.  My heart goes out to you.. Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ronnie, Well Since I decided to look into it, I now think the doctor may be right. Cyclic vomiting syndrome is the name of the condition and I see that my son has many of the symptoms  - light bothers him, he is socially inept, becoming lethargic during episodes and it is related to other Dysautonomia conditions like POTS (extremely high heart rates – like 200 bpm) which my daughter has (accounts for the use of IV fluids as a remedy) and Chronic Fatigue caused by Orthostatic Intolerance (dramatic blood pressure changes on standing) which his twin has. Joy Yes Joy I do and have since I was 10… My grandson seems to be having migraines and he is going to be 11.   Yes they are generic BUT please dont feel guilty about having passed them on to your son (your hubby, your mother in law) I know I did big time for years. Ronnie There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Ronnie, Do you have Migraines? The doctor indicated there is a genetic component. I know my Mother-in-law suffers from them, and so does my husband, although all he gets is the light show and so doesn’t really need to treat his. Joy

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Thank you Kadee. Finally, someone who knows. None of these things happen to me, but I see the genetic links in my kids. I feel so sorry for my Mother-in-law who seems to have them all. Q-10 here I come! Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ronnie, Well Since I decided to look into it, I now think the doctor may be right. Cyclic vomiting syndrome is the name of the condition and I see that my son has many of the symptoms  - light bothers him, he is socially inept, becoming lethargic during episodes and it is related to other Dysautonomia conditions like POTS (extremely high heart rates – like 200 bpm) which my daughter has (accounts for the use of IV fluids as a remedy) and Chronic Fatigue caused by Orthostatic Intolerance (dramatic blood pressure changes on standing) which his twin has. I am light sensitive too. I wear sunglasses any time I go out and often indoors to. Fluorescent lights can be a problem for some. I have dysautonomia too but magnesium and co-enzyme Q10 help that and the heart problems and I am finding also the migraines. Helen finds magnesium helps and Teri Roberts takes magnesium and co-enzyme Q10 with her doctor’s advice. My blod pressure is "normal’ at 85/56 and the magnesium and CoQ10 have helped stabilize the rapid changes. Kadee

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Oh no  Joy. I wish you boththe best will keep you both in my prayers. MM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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Kadee, Thanks, and I will investigate all the links you provided tomorrow. I have such talented kids. One was concert master (that means violin) at the state Governor’s Honors and one has a JUST TO DIE FOR SAT score. I just can’t get over how these medical problems are wrecking our lives.  I myself have asthma which is clearly triggered by odors. Well, some perfumes set me off, while others are Ok. There must be something to that. But for now, am I wrong in thinking allergy? Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy Kids often get the "stomach migraines". I know a little girl who is about 5 who has the cyclic vomiting. She is on some very heavy duty meds and when she goes off or reduces them, she has a very hard time. Check http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/abortive_meds.html (Dr. Robbins posts here so perhaps he will reply) This page lists meds. http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/topics.html#CHILD

http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/childrensheadach… http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic494.htm

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZIAZF99C… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/37055-1.asp http://familydoctor.org/757.xml I have migraines as do several siblings. My dad’s grandmother and one of his aunts had migraines. My great aunt was very young when these started but were not abdominal but severe headaches. My mom has headaches which I suspect may bbe migraines too. My mother-in-law had migraines as well. My kids do get odour triggered headaches which is what my triggers are (cut grass, smoke, mould, cleaning products, perfume, pollen etc.) My son also gets headaches triggered by heat (either weather, exertion or getting worke up emotionally). So far they are controllable by cooling him down and having him lay in a cool dark room and sleep. For the odour triggers, we give antihistamine as they usaully have allergy symptoms too. Some people here such as Catherine say tyheir migraines strted as early as 2. Kadee

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Ronnie, Actually it is better to know. Before, the doctor would just say some kids did that, but not to let him miss school because of it. Clearly he has no knowledge of this condition.  According to him, it was just something I had to put up with (cleaned up and bought new carpeting regularly!)  Well I have news for him. Lethargic means no school that day – he was wrong to make me force my son to go. Finally getting to see a GI guy and getting this diagnosis is the first step to conquering the problem. I am going to try the Antihistamine because it is over the counter and he does seem to have sinus problems anyway. That was another of the symptoms. And no cheese or chocolate. Thanks for the suggestion. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is going to be a long road Joy.  Most of all dont let him see how upset you are when he is having one of his attacks.  My heart goes out to you.. Ronnie Ronnie, Well Since I decided to look into it, I now think the doctor may be right. Cyclic vomiting syndrome is the name of the condition and I see that my son has many of the symptoms  - light bothers him, he is socially inept, becoming lethargic during episodes and it is related to other Dysautonomia conditions like POTS (extremely high heart rates – like 200 bpm) which my daughter has (accounts for the use of IV fluids as a remedy) and Chronic Fatigue caused by Orthostatic Intolerance (dramatic blood pressure changes on standing) which his twin has. Joy Yes Joy I do and have since I was 10… My grandson seems to be having migraines and he is going to be 11.   Yes they are generic BUT please dont feel guilty about having passed them on to your son (your hubby, your mother in law) I know I did big time for years. Ronnie There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Ronnie, Do you have Migraines? The doctor indicated there is a genetic component. I know my Mother-in-law suffers from them, and so does my husband, although all he gets is the light show and so doesn’t really need to treat his. Joy

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MM, That is so nice of you. I really believe though that getting the proper diagnosis  is key. Then I will watch for the proper treatments and even cures and that is the difference between how we have been living and walking away from this. I know because since I have had a couple of conditions the docs didn’t figure out, I am an EXPERT at MEDLINE.  ( POTS, Chronic Fatigue in children and infection caused asthma). Newsgroups are the BEST at finding the answer. Thanks to you all. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh no  Joy. I wish you boththe best will keep you both in my prayers. MM Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy Kids often get the "stomach migraines". I know a little girl who is about 5 who has the cyclic vomiting. She is on some very heavy duty meds and when she goes off or reduces them, she has a very hard time. Check http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/abortive_meds.html (Dr. Robbins posts here so perhaps he will reply) This page lists meds. http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/topics.html#CHILD

http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/childrensheadach… http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic494.htm

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZIAZF99C… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/37055-1.asp http://familydoctor.org/757.xml I have migraines as do several siblings. My dad’s grandmother and one of his aunts had migraines. My great aunt was very young when these started but were not abdominal but severe headaches. My mom has headaches which I suspect may bbe migraines too. My mother-in-law had migraines as well. My kids do get odour triggered headaches which is what my triggers are (cut grass, smoke, mould, cleaning products, perfume, pollen etc.) My son also gets headaches triggered by heat (either weather, exertion or getting worke up emotionally). So far they are controllable by cooling him down and having him lay in a cool dark room and sleep. For the odour triggers, we give antihistamine as they usaully have allergy symptoms too. Some people here such as Catherine say tyheir migraines strted as early as 2. Kadee

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy Kids often get the "stomach migraines". I know a little girl who is about 5 who has the cyclic vomiting. She is on some very heavy duty meds and when she goes off or reduces them, she has a very hard time. Check http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/abortive_meds.html (Dr. Robbins posts here so perhaps he will reply) This page lists meds. http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/topics.html#CHILD

http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/completeguide/ch… http://www.headaches.org/consumer/educationalmodules/childrensheadach… http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic494.htm

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZIAZF99C… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.emedicinehealth.com/articles/37055-1.asp http://familydoctor.org/757.xml I have migraines as do several siblings. My dad’s grandmother and one of his aunts had migraines. My great aunt was very young when these started but were not abdominal but severe headaches. My mom has headaches which I suspect may bbe migraines too. My mother-in-law had migraines as well. My kids do get odour triggered headaches which is what my triggers are (cut grass, smoke, mould, cleaning products, perfume, pollen etc.) My son also gets headaches triggered by heat (either weather, exertion or getting worke up emotionally). So far they are controllable by cooling him down and having him lay in a cool dark room and sleep. For the odour triggers, we give antihistamine as they usaully have allergy symptoms too. Some people here such as Catherine say tyheir migraines strted as early as 2. Kadee

Thanks Kadee. The second to the last one was very informative. I have some more questions you may or may not know the answer to. Does anyone here see evidence of a link to bipolar disorders in your family? If I read this correctly, my son’s chances of becoming manic are now increased. I was aware he had some chance because my Brother-in-law is a manic as is one of my Mother-in-law’s nephews. Is there any connection between the severity of the migraines and the development of the disorder? What is the connection with Chronic Sinusitis? Is it always allergy related, or is it nasal swelling from unknown causes? Should I see and ENT, or will the successful treatment for Migraines take care of that symptom? Joy

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Kadee could you give Joy the site that your friend started for children with migraines/headaches… I believe she is  (?) French or Canadian.. TIA Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kadee, Thanks, and I will investigate all the links you provided tomorrow. I have such talented kids. One was concert master (that means violin) at the state Governor’s Honors and one has a JUST TO DIE FOR SAT score. I just can’t get over how these medical problems are wrecking our lives. I myself have asthma which is clearly triggered by odors. Well, some perfumes set me off, while others are Ok. There must be something to that. But for now, am I wrong in thinking allergy? I get allergy symptoms (sometimes mild anaphylaxis) but also definite migraine symptoms. For years, I was told that these were allergy and sinus problems and took meds for that. Now that I have the migraine diagnosis, I take allergy meds ahead if I may be in comntact with lots of perfume, smoke, Christmas tress, flowers etc. but take the migraine meds when I feel the migraine symptoms. Maxalt works great on the nasty migraines but others find that it doesn’t work for them but something else will. It is trail and error to find what fits each individual. Kadee

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Are you trying to tell me that treating allergies is never enough? No magic bullet, one drug fixes it all? He even has a skin condition the doc says is

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kadee, Thanks, and I will investigate all the links you provided tomorrow. I have such talented kids. One was concert master (that means violin) at the state Governor’s Honors and one has a JUST TO DIE FOR SAT score. I just can’t get over how these medical problems are wrecking our lives. I myself have asthma which is clearly triggered by odors. Well, some perfumes set me off, while others are Ok. There must be something to that. But for now, am I wrong in thinking allergy? I get allergy symptoms (sometimes mild anaphylaxis) but also definite migraine symptoms. For years, I was told that these were allergy and sinus problems and took meds for that. Now that I have the migraine diagnosis, I take allergy meds ahead if I may be in comntact with lots of perfume, smoke, Christmas tress, flowers etc. but take the migraine meds when I feel the migraine symptoms. Maxalt works great on the nasty migraines but others find that it doesn’t work for them but something else will. It is trail and error to find what fits each individual. Kadee

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Thanks Again Kadee, I am going out of town again tomorrow (just got back from an all day trip) so I will look at all those great links this weekend. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone here see evidence of a link to bipolar disorders in your family? If I read this correctly, my son’s chances of becoming manic are now increased. I was aware he had some chance because my Brother-in-law is a manic as is one of my Mother-in-law’s nephews. Is there any connection between the severity of the migraines and the development of the disorder? No bipolar in any of the many relatives I have with migraine. I seem to remember that some of the meds may help some people though and I know some people here have this. What is the connection with Chronic Sinusitis? Is it always allergy related, or is it nasal swelling from unknown causes? Should I see and ENT, or will the successful treatment for Migraines take care of that symptom? Many doctors say that many people who think they have sinus headaches have migraine instead. A few links that I remember are http://headaches.about.com/od/diagnosis/a/ahs_sinus_mig.htm http://headaches.about.com/cs/diagnosis/a/sinus_migr.htm http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sinus.html Of the approximately 14 million undiagnosed migraineurs who meet criteria for migraine as defined by the International Headache Society (IHS), 42% reported a physician diagnosis of "sinus headache". A past study has shown that 96% of patients who presented with self-described or physician diagnosed sinus headaches actually met IHS diagnostic criteria for migraine with and without aura and migrainous headache. http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/multiple_attacks_sinus_symptoms… http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sinus_diagnosis.html http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sumatriptan_sinus_attacks.html If you haven’t found the FAQ for ashm yet, it is http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ Some good sites: http://headaches.about.com/ http://www.migraines.org/ http://www.achenet.org/ http://www.headachedrugs.com/ http://www.headaches.org/ http://ahsnet.org/ http://www.w-h-a.org/wha2/index.asp http://www.neuroland.com/ http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/index.html Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/migraine/natural-cures/

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kadee

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Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

Hmm.  This is what I know.  Migraines in children are most usually found in boys.  Migraines can come without headaches (I’ve actually had some, they’re definitely bizarre). Boys usually also grow out of migraines by the time they’re through puberty. What other symptoms does your son have?  Aura?  Light sensitivity?  I’d want to know specifically since the "smoking gun" (headache) isn’t apparent. What is the antidepressant?  There are many to choose from, many with fewer side effects. Also, given this many problems, it would be good for your child to see a specialist (neurologist)….or for you to get a second opinion if this gentleman is a neurologist.  It sounds like a complicated case.  Good luck!

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Yep, that was me.  The role of serotonin in migraine explains the antidepressant prescription. So it is actually weather triggered! Just like SAD is triggered by low levels of sunlight. Several people with asthma report Thunderstorms set them off. There are several theories out there, like increased mold or ozone levels. But what if it is just the pressure change itself? Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kadee By this definition, I had migraines. As I recall, they seemed to often be associated with weather fronts moving through. And sometimes they would be so bad, I would vomit. I don’t know what I did right, but they just went away. I still have poorly controlled Chronic Sinusitis even after surgery and maximum medication (that mean steroids and more steroids). Joy Check here for criteria for a migraine. Migraine criteria http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/hpmidx.htm Other types: http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/index.html I have always felt better after the storm hits. My son tells me that his head starts to hurt once the rain starts. I have worked with several people who would get a weather migraine after mine was in force. I was kind of like the canary in the mine field- more sensitive to the changes. My main triggers are odours though and perhaps these are stronger before a storm with everything being whipped up. Once the rain starts, it may wash away some of the nasty odours. I have a collection of weather and migraine links. I haven’t checked them recently so don’t know if some are no longer valid.

http://healingwellmigraines.subportal.com/health/Diseases_and_Conditi… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The researchers then analyzed government weather data and looked for correlations: Twenty-two percent of the patients were sensitive to low temperatures and low humidity; 12 percent had migraines triggered by high temperatures and high humidity; A passing front or otherwise-changing weather pattern affected 10 percent; sensitivity to high barometric pressure affected 8 percent, and low pressure affected 5 percent. "For many years, we have known that weather changes can act as triggers for migraine attacks," says Dr. Seymour Diamond, director and founder of the National Headache Foundation. However, he adds, "previous studies have shown that barometric pressure changes, rather than the combination of low humidity and cold weather are responsible."

http://www.weather.com/newscenter/topstories/health/achesandpains/010… http://home.att.net/~jhonni/ http://www.nature.com/nsu/000203/000203-1.html http://www.healingwell.com/library/migraines/mcelhinney1.htm

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/den/health/stories/health-99931920011… http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/10c81e.htm http://www.aan.com/neurovista/febmar2000/article228.html http://my.webmd.com/content/article/1700.51371 http://www.migraine.ca/web/faq.htm http://www.touchtmj4.com/4weather/wxwisdom/general/humanbarometers.asp http://www.canoe.ca/HealthReference/migraine_9.html http://www.headaches.org/topicsheets/envir_physical.html http://www.weather.com/maps/activity/health/achesandpains/index_large… http://www.pcipr.com/newsroom/IHC/20010627_IHC_Weather.asp

http://aol.weather.com/newscenter/topstories/health/achesandpains/010… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6346/quest4.htm http://members.rogers.com/cmmn/articles/migraine.html http://members.rogers.com/cmmn/articles/cosmo Kadee

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Kadee, I think this article is the answer to the Elavil question http://www.cvsaonline.org/cvstricyclicscodev.htm I need to ask to change to one of the other meds on Friday when we again see the doctor. Over the next few days I will look for something to suggest. I hope he is open to that and I am not wasting my time. At least I didn’t get the impression from this doctor that he was the type to dismiss research from a patient. From what I understand today, it is called a syndrome because, although the symptoms are similar, the causes can be many and varied. That explains why the classes of drugs used to treat it are so variable. At http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2910.htm they suggest drugs from the following classes:- Anti-anxiety, anti-histamine, antibiotic, antidepressant, heart medication (Beta Blocker but elsewhere I have seen a calcium channel blocker), Barbiturate, anti-nausea, and migraine. So I am thinking that because the other kids in the family have the Addison like condition, that he should treat for an Endocrine disorder as the cause. Trouble is, none of the drugs in that list really address endocrine problems. Most of the people on the message board CVSAONLINE agreed that GI docs were the ones to see though so I had decided to stick with this GI Doctor for now. Somewhere there is supposed to be a list of the good ones for CVS, but  I haven’t found that yet. Off to hunt. Thanks for all your help pointing me in the correct direction. Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Elavil is the name of the antidepressant. According to http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2910.htm, that is the one to try. He really hasn’t had an aura, but he can’t sleep if the the least amount of light in his room, so I consider him to be light sensitive.. Because he is 18 (I have been told there is nothing to be done since he was 5), I am concerned he will not outgrow it.  So I should be seeing a Neurologist now that I have a diagnosis? I know that Elavil has been mentioned. I can’t remember who has tried it but I will add it to the subject header and someone who has experience may reply. Kadee

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Kadee By this definition, I had migraines. As I recall, they seemed to often be associated with weather fronts moving through. And sometimes they would be so bad, I would vomit. I don’t know what I did right, but they just went away. I still have poorly controlled Chronic Sinusitis even after surgery and maximum medication (that mean steroids and more steroids). Joy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone here see evidence of a link to bipolar disorders in your family? If I read this correctly, my son’s chances of becoming manic are now increased. I was aware he had some chance because my Brother-in-law is a manic as is one of my Mother-in-law’s nephews. Is there any connection between the severity of the migraines and the development of the disorder? No bipolar in any of the many relatives I have with migraine. I seem to remember that some of the meds may help some people though and I know some people here have this. What is the connection with Chronic Sinusitis? Is it always allergy related, or is it nasal swelling from unknown causes? Should I see and ENT, or will the successful treatment for Migraines take care of that symptom? Many doctors say that many people who think they have sinus headaches have migraine instead. A few links that I remember are http://headaches.about.com/od/diagnosis/a/ahs_sinus_mig.htm http://headaches.about.com/cs/diagnosis/a/sinus_migr.htm http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sinus.html Of the approximately 14 million undiagnosed migraineurs who meet criteria for migraine as defined by the International Headache Society (IHS), 42% reported a physician diagnosis of "sinus headache". A past study has shown that 96% of patients who presented with self-described or physician diagnosed sinus headaches actually met IHS diagnostic criteria for migraine with and without aura and migrainous headache. http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/multiple_attacks_sinus_symptoms… http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sinus_diagnosis.html http://www.headachedrugs.com/archives/sumatriptan_sinus_attacks.html If you haven’t found the FAQ for ashm yet, it is http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ Some good sites: http://headaches.about.com/ http://www.migraines.org/ http://www.achenet.org/ http://www.headachedrugs.com/ http://www.headaches.org/ http://ahsnet.org/ http://www.w-h-a.org/wha2/index.asp http://www.neuroland.com/ http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/index.html Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/migraine/natural-cures/

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kadee

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(So that kid was right on Our Gang when he said "I have a headache in my stomach! ;-)  ) Was the antihistimine Vistaril?

Benadryl is the one I have been running into in my reading. Another drug with excessive sleepiness as the side effects. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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(So that kid was right on Our Gang when he said "I have a headache in my stomach! ;-)  ) Was the antihistimine Vistaril?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is an antihistimine that helped my grand daughter and I am wrecking my brain trying to think of the name of it.  Yes there are stomach migraines.. Ronnie Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone in here know anything about migraines in Children? My son was diagnosed, although he doesn’t have headaches. He throws up pretty regularly in the middle of the night and the doctor said migraines are associated with the stomach not emptying. The antidepressant he proscribed though has been of no help and the excessive sleepiness side effect is really impacting his life. Does anyone know if there is an alternative med to try or if it even sounds like the diagnosis is correct? Joy Hmm.  This is what I know.  Migraines in children are most usually found in boys.  Migraines can come without headaches (I’ve actually had some, they’re definitely bizarre). Boys usually also grow out of migraines by the time they’re through puberty. What other symptoms does your son have?  Aura?  Light sensitivity?  I’d want to know specifically since the "smoking gun" (headache) isn’t apparent. What is the antidepressant?  There are many to choose from, many with fewer side effects. Also, given this many problems, it would be good for your child to see a specialist (neurologist)….or for you to get a second opinion if this gentleman is a neurologist.  It sounds like a complicated case.  Good luck!

Kelly, Elavil is the name of the antidepressant. According to http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2910.htm, that is the one to try. He really hasn’t had an aura, but he can’t sleep if the the least amount of light in his room, so I consider him to be light sensitive.. Because he is 18 (I have been told there is nothing to be done since he was 5), I am concerned he will not outgrow it.  So I should be seeing a Neurologist now that I have a diagnosis? Joy

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I tried Elavil years ago and had a horrible side effect … I began having nightmares of seeing huge hairy spiders!  Also I couldnt eat enough.  When I started eating the wallpaper I knew I had to stop.  I kid about the wallpaper but I did put on 30 pounds from it and I did see the spiders.  When the doctor just wanted to up the dosage I went home and dumped the stuff down the toilet and never looked back.  But everyone is different…. Ronnie

Ronnie, My husband tried it years ago. I made him go off it. He was MEAN. Fortunately another person in his office was going through a similar transformation after she was prescribed it and her family was demanding she try something, anything, else so he believed me that he wasn’t himself. In my son’s case however, the excessive sedation and the fact that it quite frankly didn’t work is the reason I am seeking another answer. Does anyone know if I can eliminate the antidepressants because this one didn’t work, or will I be forced to trial and error a bunch of them before they conclude that class of meds is not the answer? Joy

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I tried Elavil years ago and had a horrible side effect … I began having nightmares of seeing huge hairy spiders!  Also I couldnt eat enough.  When I started eating the wallpaper I knew I had to stop.  I kid about the wallpaper but I did put on 30 pounds from it and I did see the spiders.  When the doctor just wanted to up the dosage I went home and dumped the stuff down the toilet and never looked back.  But everyone is different…. Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Elavil is the name of the antidepressant. According to http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2910.htm, that is the one to try. He really hasn’t had an aura, but he can’t sleep if the the least amount of light in his room, so I consider him to be light sensitive.. Because he is 18 (I have been told there is nothing to be done since he was 5), I am concerned he will not outgrow it.  So I should be seeing a Neurologist now that I have a diagnosis? I know that Elavil has been mentioned. I can’t remember who has tried it but I will add it to the subject header and someone who has experience may reply. Kadee

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Cure for IBS.

Question:

Positive Philosophy: Adding up the somes ! "What helps one does not help all.  That’s the nature of the ailment." Be a litte more positive…what helps some might not help all, but if you add up all the "somes" they add up ! Caesar J. B. Squitti The Rainbow of Truth ! http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/gate.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rita <rknydel…@myrealbox.com

wrote in message <news:fd5io01lgunarna1eepbkhb20gt41667hq@4ax.com… On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:58:01 GMT, "roywilliams31dallas" <whattheh…@goaway.com wrote: tried all that shit …it don’t work one damn bit. Taking Prilosec helps more than anything else. What helps one does not help all.  That’s the nature of the ailment. "caesarjbsquitti" <ord…@squittis.com wrote in message news:b92c462a.0410301735.15909bb8@posting.google.com… Cure for IBS. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. The information in the book "Prescription for Natural Cures" and other material suggested that ‘parasites’ were difficult to find, there are quite a variety. The treatment exists in both pharmaceutical and herbal.  In fact many of the herbal treatments have existed for centuries, and are relatively inexpensive. So, the key words to look up are ‘ herbal treatment for parasites’…and compare the various herbal treatments for treating them. In checking with medical doctors, there are pharmaceutical drugs for this purpose, and i still am unable to decide why ‘doctors’ do not treat for such a probable caue even though they cannot identify the exact problem… http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… So, break beyond the barriers of modern pharmaceutical manipulation and see what you can find… I  have found several important key points…. 1.  High fiber diet. 2.  Various common herbal treatments 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. 4.  Good bacteria to help the digestive system…found in yogart… Key words to look up… "parasites" "friendly bacteria" " stomach enzymes" "fiber" Good Luck !

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In article <b92c462a.0411010705.32994…@posting.google.com

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 ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote:

Raw and litghtly cooked foods provide enzymes,

No, they don’t.

Microbial or fungal enzymes , also sometime slabelled as plant enzymes are derived from the fermentation of fungeus.  

Humans derive enzymes from their own bodies, not from ANY food.

enzymes…and if you have IBS or similar intestional problem…enzyme conditions may be a concern…

IBS has NOTHING to do with enzymes.

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 ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote:

While researching intestional problems it was noted that ‘bacterial’ infections for a vareity of diseases, not to mention enzyme

Huh?

Again I would suggest looking up ‘herbal treatment for parasites’…

I would suggest not.

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Enzymes can be supplied by enzyme tablets from any healthfood stores. It is definately beneficial to use enzyme tablets (having at least the four basic enzymes) for IBS. Eat these twice a day with food. Also beneficial are tablets of Multidophilus: 12 benefecial bacteria in acid resistant tablets. Eat these twice a day with or without food but 2 hours away from any antibiotics. It will take at least 2-6 weeks to notice positive effects

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wrote: Enzymes can be supplied by enzyme tablets from any healthfood stores. It is definately beneficial to use enzyme tablets (having at least the four basic enzymes) for IBS. Eat these twice a day with food.

Actually, the only preparation studied has been Creon. It seems that it might help with bloating, but not necessarily with any other aspect of IBS.

It will take at least 2-6 weeks to notice positive effects

I’d be surprised it takes that long.

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In article <205974b3c294a1c0daa396a055ef8…@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com, "thedoc" <the…@hotmail.com wrote: Enzymes can be supplied by enzyme tablets from any healthfood stores. It is definately beneficial to use enzyme tablets (having at least the four basic enzymes) for IBS. Eat these twice a day with food. Actually, the only preparation studied has been Creon. It seems that it might help with bloating, but not necessarily with any other aspect of IBS. It will take at least 2-6 weeks to notice positive effects I’d be surprised it takes that long.

you troll everywhere, and arn’t a doctor or at least a credible one.

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tried all that shit …it don’t work one damn bit. Taking Prilosec helps more than anything else.

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"caesarjbsquitti" <ord…@squittis.com wrote in message news:b92c462a.0410301735.15909bb8@posting.google.com… Cure for IBS. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. The information in the book "Prescription for Natural Cures" and other material suggested that ‘parasites’ were difficult to find, there are quite a variety. The treatment exists in both pharmaceutical and herbal.  In fact many of the herbal treatments have existed for centuries, and are relatively inexpensive. So, the key words to look up are ‘ herbal treatment for parasites’…and compare the various herbal treatments for treating them. In checking with medical doctors, there are pharmaceutical drugs for this purpose, and i still am unable to decide why ‘doctors’ do not treat for such a probable caue even though they cannot identify the exact problem… http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… So, break beyond the barriers of modern pharmaceutical manipulation and see what you can find… I  have found several important key points…. 1.  High fiber diet. 2.  Various common herbal treatments 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. 4.  Good bacteria to help the digestive system…found in yogart… Key words to look up… "parasites" "friendly bacteria" " stomach enzymes" "fiber" Good Luck !

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tried all that shit …it don’t work one damn bit. Taking Prilosec helps more than anything else. "caesarjbsquitti" <ord…@squittis.com

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Cure for IBS. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. The information in the book "Prescription for Natural Cures" and other material suggested that ‘parasites’ were difficult to find, there are quite a variety. The treatment exists in both pharmaceutical and herbal.  In fact many of the herbal treatments have existed for centuries, and are relatively inexpensive. So, the key words to look up are ‘ herbal treatment for parasites’…and compare the various herbal treatments for treating them. In checking with medical doctors, there are pharmaceutical drugs for this purpose, and i still am unable to decide why ‘doctors’ do not treat for such a probable caue even though they cannot identify the exact problem… http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… So, break beyond the barriers of modern pharmaceutical manipulation and see what you can find… I  have found several important key points…. 1.  High fiber diet. 2.  Various common herbal treatments 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. 4.  Good bacteria to help the digestive system…found in yogart… Key words to look up… "parasites" "friendly bacteria" " stomach enzymes" "fiber" Good Luck !

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Cure for IBS. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. The information in the book "Prescription for Natural Cures" and other material suggested that ‘parasites’ were difficult to find, there are quite a variety. The treatment exists in both pharmaceutical and herbal.  In fact many of the herbal treatments have existed for centuries, and are relatively inexpensive. So, the key words to look up are ‘ herbal treatment for parasites’…and compare the various herbal treatments for treating them. In checking with medical doctors, there are pharmaceutical drugs for this purpose, and i still am unable to decide why ‘doctors’ do not treat for such a probable caue even though they cannot identify the exact problem… http://www.abeautifuldifference.com/webdoc.535.html There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… So, break beyond the barriers of modern pharmaceutical manipulation and see what you can find… I  have found several important key points…. 1.  High fiber diet. 2.  Various common herbal treatments 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. 4.  Good bacteria to help the digestive system…found in yogart… Key words to look up… "parasites" "friendly bacteria" " stomach enzymes" "fiber" Good Luck !

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Cure for IBS.

There is at present no cure.

After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause.

Parasites can intestinal problems and may be mistaken for IBS, but IBS itself is a separate entity.

There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer…

IBS does not do this. (I’m not sure there is any infectious intestinal problem that could lead to cancer.)

3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up.

Foods do not contain enzymes. The digestive system does.

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"Enzyme: A protein produced by cells or takin in supplement form that acts as a catalyst for a specific biochemical reaction, such as digestion or energy production…" Raw and litghtly cooked foods provide enzymes, but there is some quesiton as to whether they really help…Supplemental enzymes can be taken fora variety of health beneftis.  Three main types.  Plant enzymes are derived from plants.  Most common are bromelain from pineapple stems an papain from unripe papayas.  Both  help you to digest proteins and bromelain has anti-inflammatory effects… Microbial or fungal enzymes , also sometime slabelled as plant enzymes are derived from the fermentation of fungeus.  Protease enzymes break down protein, lipase enzymes are for fats, amylase is for carbohydrates and many other are aviailable to break down others… Look in up…Your post suggests that you are misinformed about enzymes…and if you have IBS or similar intestional problem…enzyme conditions may be a concern… Caesar J. B. Squitti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -flux <supp…@fluxsoft.com

wrote in message <news:support-D0BC99.15163831102004@news.verizon.net… In article <b92c462a.0410301735.15909…@posting.google.com,  ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote: Cure for IBS. There is at present no cure. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. Parasites can intestinal problems and may be mistaken for IBS, but IBS itself is a separate entity. There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… IBS does not do this. (I’m not sure there is any infectious intestinal problem that could lead to cancer.) 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. Foods do not contain enzymes. The digestive system does.

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Serendipity ?    1. The faculty of making fortunate discoveries by accident. Found any recently ? While researching intestional problems it was noted that ‘bacterial’ infections for a vareity of diseases, not to mention enzyme deficiencies was not mentioned….why ? Again I would suggest looking up ‘herbal treatment for parasites’… Caesar J. B. Squitti – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote in message <news:b92c462a.0411010705.32994a06@posting.google.com

… "Enzyme: A protein produced by cells or takin in supplement form that acts as a catalyst for a specific biochemical reaction, such as digestion or energy production…" Raw and litghtly cooked foods provide enzymes, but there is some quesiton as to whether they really help…Supplemental enzymes can be taken fora variety of health beneftis.  Three main types.  Plant enzymes are derived from plants.  Most common are bromelain from pineapple stems an papain from unripe papayas.  Both  help you to digest proteins and bromelain has anti-inflammatory effects… Microbial or fungal enzymes , also sometime slabelled as plant enzymes are derived from the fermentation of fungeus.  Protease enzymes break down protein, lipase enzymes are for fats, amylase is for carbohydrates and many other are aviailable to break down others… Look in up…Your post suggests that you are misinformed about enzymes…and if you have IBS or similar intestional problem…enzyme conditions may be a concern… Caesar J. B. Squitti flux <supp…@fluxsoft.com wrote in message <news:support-D0BC99.15163831102004@news.verizon.net… In article <b92c462a.0410301735.15909…@posting.google.com,  ord…@squittis.com (caesarjbsquitti) wrote: Cure for IBS. There is at present no cure. After years of suffering from IBS a certain individual decided to do his own research, and this research suggested that "parasites’ could be a cause. Parasites can intestinal problems and may be mistaken for IBS, but IBS itself is a separate entity. There is another problem…and that is all the symptoms, that result because of ‘intestional problems’ ultimately will leave the body robbed of key nutrients and chemicals it needs to function properly…common sense would suggest a variety of related ‘diseases’ including cancer… IBS does not do this. (I’m not sure there is any infectious intestinal problem that could lead to cancer.) 3.  Drinking or eating foods that provide’ intestional enzymes" another key word         to look up. Foods do not contain enzymes. The digestive system does.

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Please give me advice about how to get relief from migraine without medication.

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There IS a natural treatment FAQ that I don’t remember the URL for, but I’m sure someone will post it for you. However, and I don’t mean to be negative, I know VERY few people who can handle Migraine DISEASE without medications. Unless you have heart disease, have had a stroke, or have risk factors for one of them, painkillers aren’t considered by most doctors to be the first line of treatment for Migraine attacks anyway. They can’t actually stop the Migraine, only mask the pain for a few hours while you hope the Migraine runs its course during that time. Please keep in mind that Migraines aren’t actually headaches; they’re episodic attacks of a neurological disease. The headache is only one symptom. Some people have Migraines without ever having a headache. Your best bet is either an exceptional neurologist who really knows Migraine or an actual Migraine specialist. Good luck, Teri Robert, Ph.D. Migraineur * Journalist/Patient Advocate www.helpforheadaches.com www.headaches.about.com * MAGNUM Support Advisor www.migraines.org

| Hello. | I’ve suffered from migraine since I was 15 years old. | My migraine symptoms have been terrible year after year. | However, I have difficulty experience allergic reactions to | painkillers, so usually I can’t take medicines for migraine. Thus, | once I suffer from migraine, I have to be absent from class for a few | days. I’ve been very nervous about migraine since I started to go to | college, because even though I was absent from class only one day, it | was hard for me to catch up on the class. | Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without | medication? | | Thank you.

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Hello. I’ve suffered from migraine since I was 15 years old. My migraine symptoms have been terrible year after year. However, I have difficulty experience allergic reactions to painkillers, so usually I can’t take medicines for migraine. Thus, once I suffer from migraine, I have to be absent from class for a few days. I’ve been very nervous about migraine since I started to go to college, because even though I was absent from class only one day, it was hard for me to catch up on the class. Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without medication? Thank you.

Migraines are not just bad headaches, although most times very bad headaches are one of the symptoms. The first thing to do is to make an appointment with either a headache specialist or a nuerologist to make sure what you have really are migraines. There are a few very serious things that can have similar symtoms to migraines that must be ruled out first. They are rare, but are serious enough not to take the chance with. There is a long list of preventative medications that can be very helpfull if what you have actually is migrane and they are frequent enough to indicate them. There are also a wide assortment of abortive medications that can be used. There is also the NTI Device from Dr Boyd. I’m sure some nice person will post the list of other helpful links. Welcome aboard, glad you found us, and sorry you had to. Bear

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Hello. I’ve suffered from migraine since I was 15 years old. My migraine symptoms have been terrible year after year. However, I have difficulty experience allergic reactions to painkillers, so usually I can’t take medicines for migraine. Thus, once I suffer from migraine, I have to be absent from class for a few days. I’ve been very nervous about migraine since I started to go to college, because even though I was absent from class only one day, it was hard for me to catch up on the class. Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without medication? Thank you.

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Actually, I think you need to understand and qualify your statements about low carb.  It’s not an issue of just low carbing and that will fix things. It’s an issue of getting the simple sugars and processed flour and foods out of your life.  I think laying out a blanket statement that people need to low carb and then pointing them to Atkins is irresponsible at best. Nutrition is a larger issue than that and we here at this newsgroup take a larger look at our health and realize it’s not a one size fits all approach. Migraines are a disease and are to be treated as such.  To minimize the situation by simply trying to prescribe an Atkins diet is belittling and obviously you don’t understand migraines. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Err, no.  If it works that way, it’s because the diet eliminated migraine triggers for that particular person.  It’s not going to work that way for everybody. I started eating a high carb, balanced diet AFTER eliminating my dietary triggers.  There was no change in migraine frequency. I swear, LC diets are like a religion; you can find someone who thinks they can cure anything. -km, "If all you’ve got is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail." Since you by implication still have some migraines, maybe you haven’t removed all your food triggers yet. Of course it doesn’t work the same way for everyone. But low-carb helps so many that it’s a very good place to start. Surely anyone with migraines should at least try this easy solution since it has very rapid effect. You can search usenet with google for people who have been very successful and plead with others try this method with groups.goole.com . http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/6/28-905283.html

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I don’t have food triggers other than sulfites and aspartame, both of which I abstain.  Mine are hormonal…as in perimenopausal and such…I don’t think the elimination diet is going to identify anything I don’t already know. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been doing low carb for two years…no such luck.  I’ve not seen a good link between Atkins and my hormonally induced migraines. Michelle The next step is to get a cytotoxic blood test or try an elimination diet. http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-84989.html http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T137529.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Err, no.  If it works that way, it’s because the diet eliminated migraine triggers for that particular person.  It’s not going to work that way for everybody. I started eating a high carb, balanced diet AFTER eliminating my dietary triggers.  There was no change in migraine frequency. I swear, LC diets are like a religion; you can find someone who thinks they can cure anything. -km, "If all you’ve got is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail." Since you by implication still have some migraines, maybe you haven’t removed all your food triggers yet.

Yes I have.  Maybe you haven’t considered the idea that food isn’t the only thing that triggers me.  My remaining triggers are not under my control, since they involve the choices of other people to drench themselves in chemicals that are toxic to me. Of course it doesn’t work the same way for everyone.

That’s right.  Some people run on carbs.  Some people run on proteins/fats.  If you put a person who runs on carbs on a LC diet, they will be just as miserable as when you put a proteins/fats person on a high carb diet. But low-carb helps so many that it’s a very good place to start. Surely anyone with migraines should at least try this easy solution since it has very rapid effect.

Not necessarily.  If you have liver or kidney issues, low carbing can be harmful. To address the OP’s original concerns, there is an option that hasn’t been discussed yet: auto-hypnosis.  I hesitate to mention it, really, since it doesn’t work for everybody, and responsible hypnotherapists can be hard to find.  Avoid the charlatans who advertise such services; what you want are responsible counseling psychologists who use it as an adjunct of therapy, not a primary tool. A good hypnotherapist can teach you how to get indirect control over the blood flow in your brain, which is what causes the pounding pain (at least in my case), and how to achieve a very deep state of relaxation, which will keep your other muscles from contibuting to the pain. I have been able to control migraines with auto-hypnosis without any medication whatsoever, although I prefer to use Aleve along with it (that’s probably just a crutch, really). There should be a local association of practicing psychotherapists in your area; that would be a good place to start inquiring about hypnotherapists. -km — Only cowards fight kids — unidentified Moscow protester the black rose proud to be owned by a yorkie http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

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Not everyone has food triggers. Teri

| I’ve been doing low carb for two years…no such luck.  I’ve not seen a good | link between Atkins and my hormonally induced migraines. | | Michelle | | | The next step is to get a cytotoxic blood test or try an elimination diet. | | http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-84989.html | | http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T137529.html

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I’ve been doing low carb for two years…no such luck.  I’ve not seen a good link between Atkins and my hormonally induced migraines. Michelle

The next step is to get a cytotoxic blood test or try an elimination diet. http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/21-84989.html http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T137529.html

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Err, no.  If it works that way, it’s because the diet eliminated migraine triggers for that particular person.  It’s not going to work that way for everybody. I started eating a high carb, balanced diet AFTER eliminating my dietary triggers.  There was no change in migraine frequency. I swear, LC diets are like a religion; you can find someone who thinks they can cure anything. -km, "If all you’ve got is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail."

Since you by implication still have some migraines, maybe you haven’t removed all your food triggers yet. Of course it doesn’t work the same way for everyone. But low-carb helps so many that it’s a very good place to start. Surely anyone with migraines should at least try this easy solution since it has very rapid effect. You can search usenet with google for people who have been very successful and plead with others try this method with groups.goole.com . http://atkins.com/Archive/2002/6/28-905283.html

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I’ve been doing low carb for two years…no such luck.  I’ve not seen a good link between Atkins and my hormonally induced migraines. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without medication? Thank you. You really, really should try a low-carb diet like Atkins as soon as possible. Many people report that they stop having migraines in just a few days. There is no other treatment that I know of that comes close to this effectiveness, medication or no medication.

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Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without medication? Thank you. You really, really should try a low-carb diet like Atkins as soon as possible. Many people report that they stop having migraines in just a few days. There is no other treatment that I know of that comes close to this effectiveness, medication or no medication.

Err, no.  If it works that way, it’s because the diet eliminated migraine triggers for that particular person.  It’s not going to work that way for everybody. I started eating a high carb, balanced diet AFTER eliminating my dietary triggers.  There was no change in migraine frequency. I swear, LC diets are like a religion; you can find someone who thinks they can cure anything. -km, "If all you’ve got is a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail." — Only cowards fight kids — unidentified Moscow protester the black rose proud to be owned by a yorkie http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

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Could you please give me advice about treatment for migraine without medication? Thank you.

You really, really should try a low-carb diet like Atkins as soon as possible. Many people report that they stop having migraines in just a few days. There is no other treatment that I know of that comes close to this effectiveness, medication or no medication.

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Hi Kadee, I’ll bet you could just tell that you were that nice person I was referring to above, if not, you sure were. Bear Thanks, Bear. You’re a pretty nice person to. I love the humour you post. Kadee

I’ll put together another post of jokes later tonight, thanks for reminding me. Bear

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello. I’ve suffered from migraine since I was 15 years old. My migraine symptoms have been terrible year after year. However, I have difficulty experience allergic reactions to painkillers, so usually I can’t take medicines for migraine. If you haven’t found the FAQ for ashm yet, it is http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ Some good sites: http://headaches.about.com/ http://www.migraines.org/ http://www.achenet.org/ http://www.headachedrugs.com/ http://www.headaches.org/ http://ahsnet.org/ http://www.w-h-a.org/wha2/index.asp http://www.neuroland.com/ Migraine criteria http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/hpmidx.htm Other types: http://www.upstate.edu/neurology/haas/index.html The Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ which Teri mentioned is at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/medicine/migraine/natural-cures/ As Teri mentioned, painkillers are not a good form of treatment and many of us find that they do nothing to help. There are a variety of treatments available but what works for one person may not for another. It takes time to find your own solution but many doctors will provide samples in order to find what works. Dr. Sandy L. posted the list of prophylactics he has compiled. If you can’t find it, I can post it again. You may wish to check out our archives at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.support…. Kadee

Hi Kadee, I’ll bet you could just tell that you were that nice person I was referring to above, if not, you sure were. Bear The first rays of dawn make the mushrooms scream.   I think with careful cultivation I can make them do "Ode to Joy".

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Sandy L’s case; he is certainly not an "Unsympathetic doctor." Thanks Sandy.

I’ve noticed that, too bad he isn’t in my area Bear The first rays of dawn make the mushrooms scream.   I think with careful cultivation I can make them do "Ode to Joy".

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I’m sure some nice person will post the list of other helpful links. I’m sure some nice person will post the list of other helpful links. Welcome aboard, glad you found us, and sorry you had to. Bear

Bear, Sandy L just did yesterday. It is down 14 lines (below your post) on my "Subject" (headers) list, and is entitled "Re: Stubborn Headaches, Unsympathetic doctors." It is dated 9/11/04, 10:47 AM on my screen. Nice reply, Bear. Incidentally, the subject seems to be unsuitably applied in Sandy L’s case; he is certainly not an "Unsympathetic doctor." Thanks Sandy. BobB —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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