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Hi Anybody here know where i can buy ephedrine/ ephedrine HCL for a safe cutting cycle, please let me know.

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I believe it is still available in Canada. In the US, you can buy it over-the-counter in anti-asthma products. However, they mix it with another drug. Are you a body builder?

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Here in Canada it is still available in some health food stores,,,a lot of places have removed them from the shelf as it is known to cause heart attacks.  I believe that you can order from some places on-line.  You’d have to google for it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started taking flaxseed oil capsules and didnt realize this may help with my weight loss…does anyone know the true benefits (or downside of taking this)?? I’ve never taken the flaxseed capsules.  It’s always been the oil directly. I think taking the oil directly coats the stomach better and digests slowly (one of the benefits of fat, same calories, yet longer to digest – feel as if you’ve "just eaten" for a longer period of time). Unfortunately, just the thought of consuming a tablespoon of oil makes me gag.  So I take EFA capsules. Chris

Yeah.  I can completely understand that!  I consider myself lucky to love the taste.  Not many people do. (unless it’s got vinegar and seasonings in it and is served on a salad lol)

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I started taking flaxseed oil capsules and didnt realize this may help with my weight loss…does anyone know the true benefits (or downside of taking this)?? I’ve never taken the flaxseed capsules.  It’s always been the oil directly. I think taking the oil directly coats the stomach better and digests slowly (one of the benefits of fat, same calories, yet longer to digest – feel as if you’ve "just eaten" for a longer period of time).

Unfortunately, just the thought of consuming a tablespoon of oil makes me gag.  So I take EFA capsules. Chris

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I started taking flaxseed oil capsules and didnt realize this may help with my weight loss…does anyone know the true benefits (or downside of taking this)??

I’ve never taken the flaxseed capsules.  It’s always been the oil directly. I think taking the oil directly coats the stomach better and digests slowly (one of the benefits of fat, same calories, yet longer to digest – feel as if you’ve "just eaten" for a longer period of time).

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Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx

Fiber consumption Good fats (olive oil, ) consumption and I have found that the new chromium/green tea combos do work a bit for me with appetite suppression.  Although it does not kill cravings, elliminate temptations nor does it eliminate appetite completely.   There are no miracle pills.

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I started taking flaxseed oil capsules and didnt realize this may help with my weight loss…does anyone know the true benefits (or downside of taking this)??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx My favorite is a plain tablespoon or two of your oil of choice. (120-240 cals). I tend to choose extra-virgin olive oil (I’ve grown accustomed to the taste by itself), or very fresh-pressed flax seed oil. If you don’t like it alone, add some to a salad or on heated veggies. YUM… not too many calories and yet holds ya (well, me) for hours and hours. Trust me, I forget to eat.  It’s nice not to have to babysit your calorie intake.  This coming from a former binge eating glutton.

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Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx

My favorite is a plain tablespoon or two of your oil of choice. (120-240 cals). I tend to choose extra-virgin olive oil (I’ve grown accustomed to the taste by itself), or very fresh-pressed flax seed oil. If you don’t like it alone, add some to a salad or on heated veggies. YUM… not too many calories and yet holds ya (well, me) for hours and hours. Trust me, I forget to eat.  It’s nice not to have to babysit your calorie intake.  This coming from a former binge eating glutton.

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Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx

There are two: fiber and exercise.  Read an earlier posting by me and a couple of others.

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Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx

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Honest, quick shipping, won’t last long… in fact I will not be surprised if my site is deleted and this post as well.

I won’t be surprised if your comcast account is closed as well as your website, and you get a visit from authorities for selling ephedra products that became illegal to sell about a year ago. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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know a lot of people have been looking for this Original Stackers for sale, good prices because I need money bad right now. Please sign up for a hushmail account to email me so we can keep the emails private and encrypted. All the info is here: http://orsupplied.photosite.com/orsuppliedathushmail4stackers/ Honest, quick shipping, won’t last long… in fact I will not be surprised if my site is deleted and this post as well.

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I find that black coffee completely kills my appetite for a while. (Not so if I add cream.) Some, however, report that caffeine stimulates their appetite — so this must be dependent on individual body/brain chemistry. Mary

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Yeah.  I can completely understand that!  I consider myself lucky to love the taste.  Not many people do. (unless it’s got vinegar and seasonings in it and is served on a salad lol) I actually prefer lowfat and fat-free salad dressings .  I don’t really like oils very much.

Anyway, some people like olive oil salad dressings Take care.

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Hi , just found this group , Are there any safe appetite suppressants that actually work out there? Thanx

I am told that Hoodia works, *if* you can actually find a product that contains it in enough quantity to do you any good. Other than that, since they took away ephedra, I haven’t found anything that is non-prescription that works.  You might try OTC asthma products which contain ephedrine, but I can’t vouch for them. I use prescription products and even they don’t do much good. Em Be careful what you wish for….

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I started taking flaxseed oil capsules and didnt realize this may help with my weight loss…does anyone know the true benefits (or downside of taking this)?? I’ve never taken the flaxseed capsules.  It’s always been the oil directly. I think taking the oil directly coats the stomach better and digests slowly (one of the benefits of fat, same calories, yet longer to digest – feel as if you’ve "just eaten" for a longer period of time). Unfortunately, just the thought of consuming a tablespoon of oil makes me gag.  So I take EFA capsules. Chris Yeah.  I can completely understand that!  I consider myself lucky to love the taste.  Not many people do. (unless it’s got vinegar and seasonings in it and is served on a salad lol)

I actually prefer lowfat and fat-free salad dressings .  I don’t really like oils very much. Chris

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My 2yr old son has extremely bad allergies and a mild case of asthma. I just bought some of those Micro-filter bags for my present vaccum cleaner, so we’ll see if that helps.  But, I was wondering if anyone has tried any of these products and whether or not they really work:

Do you know what he is allergic to?  If so then you should be targeting products that affect those allergens. IMO, if you are unsure what he is allergic to – I would start with a HEPA air cleaner for his bedroom, the furnace filters and dust-mite proof covers for his mattress and pillows.  This will reduce the amount of allergens he is exposed to at night while he sleeps. "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Newton But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Carl Sagan

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Hi Jennifer, I do not usually post here but saw you post and thought I might have something interesting. 7 years ago my daughter had asthma and was prescribed the two usual inhalers, preventative and relief. After a short time she had bad headaches which were initially put down to migraine but got worse and progressed to nightmares and all sorts of nasty things. It was still diagnosed as migraines and got worse including temporary blindness and inability to sleep. This went on for 9 months over her run up to her GCSE’s and they tested for child abuse, exam stress and all sorts but refused to accept it could be a reaction to the asthma medication. They signed her off after the nine months saying it was migraine and she would have to live with it so, in frustration we decided to stop he asthma medication and the symptoms went away, restarted the asthma medication and they came back. I presented that to my GP and he changed the medication to a powder form and that was OK so it was the carrier component of the medication and I have since found out it affects the muscles around the brain causing pressure in the brain. I am not saying your son has or will have this problem just something to keep an eye on and be aware of. I was a little reckless in stopping the medication but I kept a close eye and her asthma was mild. IF you think it is a problem then see your doc about the powder form and search the net, I can not remember the sites but I think I did a search on the trade and chemical names. Good luck. — Gandalf

| My 2yr old son has extremely bad allergies and a mild case of asthma.

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I do not usually post here but saw you post and thought I might have

  something interesting. 7 years ago my daughter had asthma and was prescribed the two usual

  inhalers, preventative and relief. After a short time she had bad headaches   which were initially put down to migraine but got worse and progressed to   nightmares and all sorts of nasty things. (snip) What are the two usual inhalers?  I figure the first would be albuterol aka salbutamol, but what would the second be?  Ipratropium bromide?  Salmeterol?

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My 2yr old son has extremely bad allergies and a mild case of asthma. I just bought some of those Micro-filter bags for my present vaccum cleaner, so we’ll see if that helps.  But, I was wondering if anyone has tried any of these products and whether or not they really work: 1) Allertech Mold & Mildew Stain Preventer  A protective barrier against mold & mildew stains Any area of high humidity is likely to support the growth of mold and mildew; bathrooms, laundry rooms, basements, etc. Mold spores are released into the air and can spread quickly throughout your home, causing discomfort for the allergy sufferer. A single application of AllerTech

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Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES. We have not ever made such a ridiculous claim. We only tell people that our products will help to cut down on the triggers that help to irritate or help to cause the symptoms of diseases or conditions such as allergies or asthma.I am sure that our answer to you will be a waste of our time because you also lie and turn peoples statements around as to suite your own childish interests almost to the level as nancy. In fact I would bet that she has gotten a good part of her misinformation from your sorry posts in the first place.But just to be civil to you,{ For Once } we have answered your question in good faith. http://www.aircleaners.com here. Oh Please Nancy, you say that your going to stop posting but then you continue with your TOTAL LIES AND DRIBBLE ! I

I challenge you to quote one thing (with supporting evidence) which she said that is a lie. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES. We have not ever made such a ridiculous claim. We only tell people that our products will help to cut down on the triggers that help to irritate or help to cause the symptoms of diseases or conditions such as allergies or asthma.I am sure that our answer to you will be a waste of our time because you also lie and turn peoples statements around as to suite your own childish interests almost to the level as nancy. In fact I would bet that she has gotten a good part of her misinformation from your sorry posts in the first place.But just to be civil to you,{ For Once } we have answered your question in good faith.

Can you provide the quote? I challenge you to quote one thing (with supporting evidence) which she said that is a lie.

"Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES.

She didn’t say that. Show the post if I’m wrong. Another unfounded claim brought to you by Barry. What a surprise.

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You guys can go on at Colin as much as you like. The facts are that devices that you promote have yet to be proven to provide any significant improvement in the condition of people with asthma. This opinion is corroborated by people who have spent a significant amount of their life studying asthma and respiratory conditions with little to gain by taking any particular stance. If you persist in playing the man and not the ball, then you lose any little amount of credibility that you may have left. Put up or shut up.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES. We have not ever made such a ridiculous claim. We only tell people that our products will help to cut down on the triggers that help to irritate or help to cause the symptoms of diseases or conditions such as allergies or asthma.I am sure that our answer to you will be a waste of our time because you also lie and turn peoples statements around as to suite your own childish interests almost to the level as nancy. In fact I would bet that she has gotten a good part of her misinformation from your sorry posts in the first place.But just to be civil to you,{ For Once } we have answered your question in good faith. Can you provide the quote? I challenge you to quote one thing (with supporting evidence) which she said that is a lie. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Go screw off Jim. Colon asked us a question and we answered it as requested. Your entitled to your opinion, but thats all it is . Your opinion! The law is the law and the law still states that based on the current EPAs standards for levels of ozone in indoor environments these quality ozone-ionizer air purifiers are safe to operate.They are safe enough not to require warning labels of any kind. Many thousands of people have been using them and loving them for years on end without any health problems.We must get over 30 calls a week from people that we have never talked to before that ask us if we sell these air purifier units because they aggressively want to purchase one due to the fact that a friend or family member owning one. We hear them raving about how well these units work.We have been operating one in our own home for 5 years without any problems. So until the EPA can prove that these air purifiers low { safe } levels of ozone output are too high to pass future standards and the laws are changed to the point of banning the units for sale and or use, we will continue to sell them to our customers. You can jump up and down, stamp your feet and continue to post your personnel opinions on these air purifiers, but we will continue to counter post until the laws are changed to outlaw the sale and or use of these products. Signature To Chat With A Live Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Live Help —– Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES. We have not ever made such a ridiculous claim. We only tell people that our products will help to cut down on the triggers that help to irritate or help to cause the symptoms of diseases or conditions such as allergies or asthma.I am sure that our answer to you will be a waste of our time because you also lie and turn peoples statements around as to suite your own childish interests almost to the level as nancy. In fact I would bet that she has gotten a good part of her misinformation from your sorry posts in the first place.But just to be civil to you,{ For Once } we have answered your question in good faith. http://www.aircleaners.com here. Oh Please Nancy, you say that your going to stop posting but then you continue with your TOTAL LIES AND DRIBBLE ! I I challenge you to quote one thing (with supporting evidence) which she said that is a lie. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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To Chat With A Live Salesworm { NOW ! } Add the HumanWorm "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.barryhumanworm.com Hmmm, Barry the Spam-masturbating human worm… Sheldon

Hi Sheldon, What was the question? (my newsreader has cleared). Anyhow, I’d like to say that 4 years ago, I had some exposure to something that emitted ozone 3 times (in a closed environment). If anyone ever dares to sell me anything remotely related, I’ll put my foot in their mouth (or somewhere else appropriate) because that little machine landed me in ER for 12 hours in acute pain which was diagnosed as pleurisy.  Two subsequent pain events "clued me in " to the offending equipment and I told the acquaintance to either turn it off in my presence or I would no longer be able to visit.  He got rid of it. (but it did smell "sweet and refreshing"). IMO J

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Go screw off Jim. Colon asked us a question and we answered it as requested.

Actually, you did not. Your entitled to your opinion, but thats all it is . Your opinion! The law is the law and the law still states that based on the current EPAs standards for levels of ozone in indoor environments these quality ozone-ionizer air purifiers are safe to operate.

The law does not state that the product is safe.  All it this means is that the limits do not exceed the legal limits passed by Congress. You have been informed several times that the standard you are using is not sufficient to protect sensitive people (I even provided a link to the EPA website where it expressly states this).  Since you have been informed (with verifiable references) that your claims are untrue then you are making statements that you know to be misleading. BTW, I challenge you to provide some sort of evidence that Any Governmental Agency has certified your product as safe for indoor use. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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barry– I’m just guessing here–one of your 1000’s of satisfied customers? Thanks for the post. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Sheldon, What was the question? (my newsreader has cleared). Anyhow, I’d like to say that 4 years ago, I had some exposure to something that emitted ozone 3 times (in a closed environment). If anyone ever dares to sell me anything remotely related, I’ll put my foot in their mouth (or somewhere else appropriate) because that little machine landed me in ER for 12 hours in acute pain which was diagnosed as pleurisy.  Two subsequent pain events "clued me in " to the offending equipment and I told the acquaintance to either turn it off in my presence or I would no longer be able to visit.  He got rid of it. (but it did smell "sweet and refreshing"). IMO J

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http://www.aircleaners.com here. I think that the over ten years of use and ownership of these air purifiers from the Millions, Yes Millions of HAPPY Alpine air purifier owners are good enough proof that these ozone-ionizer air purifier machines have positive results for the people that own them.I think that the fact that the EPA’s law to date states and proves that these air purifers are well within the safety limit laws that have been set by the EPA themselves and not by you, colon or by anyone else in this newsgroup.I also think that even if the EPA were to revise the law, these very low power, low ozone output air purifiers will still fall within any new updated safety standards. I also think that if or when the standards are changed and these air purifiers still are deemed to be safe by any new EPA standards, all of you anti- air purifier people. { You know who you are } are going to really feel let down that your OPINIONS were not shared by the EPA and by the millions of future owners of these great air purifiers.I also think { Jim } that our many years in the indoor air quality industry serving many thousands of customers that have been and still are quite happy with our products and services shows that our credibility is still right on top as it always has been. What credibility do you have in the indoor air quality field do you have jim ? Are you qualified to install and repair air conveyance systems ? Do you even understand how they work. Have hundreds of physicians sent their patients to you for their allergy and asthma product needs for the last 13 years ? Do you even know the difference between HEPA air cleaners, ozone-ionizer air purifiers- both needle point and radio ionization, electrostatic precipitators, self charging electrostatic air filters, Different types and ratings of pleated air filters. Do you know anything about which EPA registered biocides are proper and safe to use in air conveyance systems and are you certified to mix them for application in to these systems. Or are you just some guy that knows nothing about the indoor air quality industry that like to shoot off his mouth and send us stupid personal unsolicited E-Mails out of frustration and for the need to be part of the anti air purifier club for idiots to boost your pitiful ego. Now you put up or shut up! Sheepboy !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys can go on at Colin as much as you like. The facts are that devices that you promote have yet to be proven to provide any significant improvement in the condition of people with asthma. This opinion is corroborated by people who have spent a significant amount of their life studying asthma and respiratory conditions with little to gain by taking any particular stance. If you persist in playing the man and not the ball, then you lose any little amount of credibility that you may have left. Put up or shut up. Ok Colon Here’s your One Thing. Good Old Nancy states that we Claimed that our products, whether it be our HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers or any our other allergy /asthma products WOULD CURE DISEASES. We have not ever made such a ridiculous claim. We only tell people that our products will help to cut down on the triggers that help to irritate or help to cause the symptoms of diseases or conditions such as allergies or asthma.I am sure that our answer to you will be a waste of our time because you also lie and turn peoples statements around as to suite your own childish interests almost to the level as nancy. In fact I would bet that she has gotten a good part of her misinformation from your sorry posts in the first place.But just to be civil to you,{ For Once } we have answered your question in good faith. Can you provide the quote? I challenge you to quote one thing (with supporting evidence) which she said that is a lie. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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http://www.aircleaners.com here. I think that the over ten years of use and ownership of these air purifiers from the Millions, Yes Millions of HAPPY Alpine air purifier owners are good enough proof that these ozone-ionizer air purifier machines have positive results for the people that own them.I think that the fact that the EPA’s law to date states and proves that these air purifers are well within the safety limit laws that have been set by the EPA themselves and not by you, colon or by anyone else in this newsgroup.I also think that even if the EPA were to revise the law, these very low power, low ozone output air purifiers will still fall within any new updated safety standards.

Actually, the proposed Indoor Air Quality standards recommend that there be no detectible ozone emissions. (Something I have pointed out to you before.) And we only have your word about the ‘millions’ of satisfied customers. Can you provide any recommendation for your product from any source that does not have a financial interest?  Odd how we seem to have to rely on your unsupported word.  While your detractors can provide references for everything they say. BTW, you accused somebody of lying and I asked you to provide the relevant quote.  Why have you not done so? "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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http://www.aircleaners.com here. I think that the over ten years of use and ownership of these air purifiers from the Millions, Yes Millions of HAPPY Alpine air purifier owners are good enough proof that these ozone-ionizer air purifier machines have positive results for the people that own them.

‘You think’ is not proof.  (now it’s MILLIONS! of owners, not thousands) I think that the fact that the EPA’s law to date states and proves that these air purifers are well within the safety limit laws that have been set by the EPA themselves and not by you, colon or by anyone else in this newsgroup. I also think that even if the EPA were to revise the law, these very low power, low ozone output air purifiers will still fall within any new updated safety standards. I also think that if or when the standards are changed and these air purifiers still are deemed to be safe by any new EPA standards, all of you anti- air purifier people. { You know who you are } are going to really feel let down that your OPINIONS were not shared by the EPA and by the millions of future owners of these great air purifiers.

Again with the speculation, but no proof.  You’re arrogant enough to give us the opinions of *future* customers.  Alpine is now in the penalty phase of a long-ongoing suit that they lost, and it isn’t because they’ve made honest claims.  You fit the company perfectly.           I also think {Jim } that our many years in the indoor air           quality industry serving many thousands of customers that           have been and still are quite happy with our products and           services shows that our credibility is still right on top as           it always has been. We know very well about your credibility here. What credibility do you have in the indoor air quality field do you have jim ? Are you qualified to install and repair air conveyance systems ? Do you even understand how they work. Have hundreds of physicians sent their patients to you for their allergy and asthma product needs for the last 13 years ?

Well, the real question is your credibility.  You’ve been asked to provide your vaunted credentials here and never complied.  Either they don’t exist, or aren’t particularly glowing.  Hundreds of physicians?  Post letters from any ten (with contact info) to back that up.

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http://www.aircleaners.com here. I think that the over ten years of use and ownership of these air purifiers from the Millions, Yes Millions of HAPPY Alpine air purifier owners are goo http://www.aircleaners.com here. I think that the over ten years of use and ownership of these air purifiers from the Millions, Yes Millions of HAPPY Alpine air purifier owners are goo

I sure wish all of your millions would start their own newsgroup!

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http://www.aircleaners.com here.Sorry Allan your acting like a jerk that just wants to start trouble with your buddy Colon because your accusation that I am selling products on this newsgroup is totally BS.Your spewing slander and lies are not ment as a counter balance at all. Thats plain to see! It is ment purely as a attempt to cause trouble to us even at the cost of the both of you passing misinformation to the others on these newsgroups. Any type of information that we pass on to others to help the people on the newsgroups are met by your childish remarks for no other reason other than to be hurtful and to discredit our posts for your own selfish psychological needs.   I do not ever ask people to call our company to purchase our products.If people click onto our website they are doing it on their own. I answer questions about indoor air quality, HEPA air cleaners , Air purifiers and other types of allergy / asthma products in good faith and I openly and honestly answer the questions with almost 13 years of experience in these industries. As far as air purifiers go,your statement that I push ozone-ionizer air purifiers to people with asthma is total bull crap.Actually I recommend to asthma and environmental allergy sufferers alike that they should have a quality HEPA air cleaner operating in their bedroom to reduce the airborn allergens that may trigger their allergy and asthma problems so they can sleep better at night. As far as air purifiers go, I simply state theTRUE facts that many people with asthma and allergies enjoy these air purifiers without any of your over exaggerated projected lies and predictions of death, lung damage or other health problems. I also state the true fact that these air purifiers require no health warning labels at all on them do to the very low and well below EPA standards of ozone output.Many thousands of these air purifiers have been sold to people in this country for over a ten year time period. To this day, I have not herd of even one report of a ozone- ionizer air purifier hurting the health of one person in any way, shape or form. I have talked to thousands of air purifier owners that feel that their units provide them with great benefits. I am not saying that everyone with allergies and or asthma should own one, I am just saying that there are many thousands of air purifier owners that enjoy their machines without any negitive side effects.The EPA and FDA have gone over these air purifiers with a fine tooth comb.If they were a proven definite danger to your health, I assure you they would not be on the market. If you dont agree with the EPA and FDA , be a leader and prove that they should not be on the market instead of bellyaching about it by quoting hearsay articles that have not proven their validity to the extent of triggering a change of law or environmental standards to the point of outlawing these air purifiers.. Contrary to your feelings, they are still on the market and they are still selling like hotcakes. Please Tell Me Why ? And please dont be a fool and say that every person that has ever purchased one of these air purifiers were ripped off by scammers and thieves. That would be totally ridicules do to the fact that many people purposely and aggressively seek out these air purifiers so they can own one or more units. This happens each and every day ! Before I close, I will repeat that we do not spam this or any newsgroup with as you say direct selling. We do not ask or push people in any way to go to our website for the purpose of purchasing our quality products. If people choose to go to our website for more information or to check out our products, they are going on their own because they are looking for a product or they simply want to check it out.If that bothers you, go have a cow!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, this is a grudge between barry and the world.  He resents it when people point out that he attempts to sell ozone-producing air cleaners to persons with respiratory illnesses, a practice that is shameless. He portrays himself as a ‘crusader’ for promoting his right to market these lung-damaging products, thus choosing to ignore myriad studies and the American Lung Association position that such products are harmful to persons with asthma.  This is not for anything so noble as scientific disagreement (since science is not on his side), but for the rankest of motives: profit.  Since there are many who are unfamiliar with the dangers of ozone, Colin, I and others make it a practice to provide a counterbalance to his marketing pitches with scientific evidence that rebuts his claims.  barry doesn’t like it and resorts to puerile name calling. This time around, he’s selling HEPA air cleaners, at least a legitimate product, but selling to a support group nonetheless.  He should stop. Wow!  Well it seems that my post has struck some kind of nerve.  If there is some sort of grudge between you and Mr Campbell then I suggest you keep it between the two of you and keep me out of it. As for your other comments, you are certainly welcome to rebuff any comments I make but you certainly should be able to do so without the insults and personal attacks.  It seems that you are the one quick to judgment.  I made no comment regarding your expertise or anybody else’s on this subject.  I merely made an observation that your post contains specific product endorsements that you sell.  I am also in sales and quite often talk about the technology without following it with a sales pitch. If direct selling is permitted in this newsgroup, then you can simply and professionally direct me to a source that says so. Get a life ! <snip Before you buy.

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I don’t really know much about this type of filter other than it is meant to be a lot more efficient than the disposable jobs than can be readily purchased from retail stores. From what I have read Hepa filters do a good job of filtering dust, etc.  and are commonly used in the latest models of Air Purifiers. I would like to know where I can go on-line or on foot to buy one of these (10"x20"x1") for my living room. I figure if these filters work well in an air purifier, then they should perform better than the cheap disposable residential type air filters.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. With best regards, Seraph

HEPA filters cannot be used in conventional forced air furnaces due to the high resistance to air flow. They could cause the fan motor to burn out. However high efficiency furnace filters are available at the same places that sell conventional furnace filters; Home Depot, Sears, Orchard Supply, etc. There are also filters that are available for use on the hot air outlets. 3M makes an efficient Filtrete filter. http://www.3m.com/US/home_leisure/filtrete/index.html Filtrete Filters [electrostatic] http://www.3m.com/US/home_leisure/filtrete/70_wheretobuy.html Where to Buy Filtrete Filters [Home Depot, K-Mart, Walmart, Target, Ace Hardware, etc] Ellis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HEPA filters cannot be used in conventional forced air furnaces due to the high resistance to air flow. They could cause the fan motor to burn out. However high efficiency furnace filters are available at the same places that sell conventional furnace filters; Home Depot, Sears, Orchard Supply, etc. There are also filters that are available for use on the hot air outlets. 3M makes an efficient Filtrete filter. http://www.3m.com/US/home_leisure/filtrete/index.html Filtrete Filters [electrostatic] http://www.3m.com/US/home_leisure/filtrete/70_wheretobuy.html Where to Buy Filtrete Filters [Home Depot, K-Mart, Walmart, Target, Ace Hardware, etc] Ellis

Not only you and Chris have explained the application and availability of HEPA filters but you’ve also advised me where to buy higher efficiency ones to suit my needs. Thank you so much. Seraph Before you buy.

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Hi folks, I don’t really know much about this type of filter other than it is meant to be a lot more efficient than the disposable jobs than can be readily purchased from retail stores. From what I have read Hepa filters do a good job of filtering dust, etc.  and are commonly used in the latest models of Air Purifiers. I would like to know where I can go on-line or on foot to buy one of these (10"x20"x1") for my living room. I figure if these filters work well in an air purifier, then they should perform better than the cheap disposable residential type air filters.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

For ‘brick and mortar’ stores, try Sears, Wall-Mart, Target, etc. You should be able to find many online stores through a search engine (such as Yahoo). "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Hi Seraph, Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com here. The best quality HEPA air cleaners are made by Austin Air and Care 2000. These quality HEPA air cleaners will exchange the air aprox 15-17 times per hour in a bedroom size area.The cheaper dept store brands will only do about 4-5 air exchanges per hour in a bedroom size area. The HEPA filters in both of the Austin Air and Care 2000 units will last aprox five years before they need to be replaced. Both units are very quiet and contain 15 pounds of activated coconut shell carbon for odor and chemical outgassing removel.Both of these units are far superior then any dept store air cleaner on the market and because they do not require constant pre-filter and HEPA filter replacments they will be much more cost effective in the long run. If fact they will pay for themselves in filter replacment savings of the cheaper dept store air cleaners within 1 to 11/2 years of time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks, I don’t really know much about this type of filter other than it is meant to be a lot more efficient than the disposable jobs than can be readily purchased from retail stores. From what I have read Hepa filters do a good job of filtering dust, etc.  and are commonly used in the latest models of Air Purifiers. I would like to know where I can go on-line or on foot to buy one of these (10"x20"x1") for my living room. I figure if these filters work well in an air purifier, then they should perform better than the cheap disposable residential type air filters.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. With best regards, Seraph Before you buy.

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Get a life ! Your one of those people that would be the first to go join a lynch mob with out caring or knowing what the story really is about. Dont worry, your not the only one that likes to shoot off your mouth. Colon and a few others just think that they are true to life experts in the field of indoor air quality air cleaning equipment and everything else on the entire planet.

I do admit that my NIOSH, EPA, and AHERA internal air quality certifications are expired.  But unlike yourself I have had specialized training and certifications in the subject. IAQ, is a subject that I really do know more about that a mere salesman. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Actually, this is a grudge between barry and the world.  He resents it when people point out that he attempts to sell ozone-producing air cleaners to persons with respiratory illnesses, a practice that is shameless. He portrays himself as a ‘crusader’ for promoting his right to market these lung-damaging products, thus choosing to ignore myriad studies and the American Lung Association position that such products are harmful to persons with asthma.  This is not for anything so noble as scientific disagreement (since science is not on his side), but for the rankest of motives: profit.  Since there are many who are unfamiliar with the dangers of ozone, Colin, I and others make it a practice to provide a counterbalance to his marketing pitches with scientific evidence that rebuts his claims.  barry doesn’t like it and resorts to puerile name calling. This time around, he’s selling HEPA air cleaners, at least a legitimate product, but selling to a support group nonetheless.  He should stop. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow!  Well it seems that my post has struck some kind of nerve.  If there is some sort of grudge between you and Mr Campbell then I suggest you keep it between the two of you and keep me out of it. As for your other comments, you are certainly welcome to rebuff any comments I make but you certainly should be able to do so without the insults and personal attacks.  It seems that you are the one quick to judgment.  I made no comment regarding your expertise or anybody else’s on this subject.  I merely made an observation that your post contains specific product endorsements that you sell.  I am also in sales and quite often talk about the technology without following it with a sales pitch. If direct selling is permitted in this newsgroup, then you can simply and professionally direct me to a source that says so. Get a life ! <snip Before you buy.

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Wow!  Well it seems that my post has struck some kind of nerve.  If there is some sort of grudge between you and Mr Campbell then I suggest you keep it between the two of you and keep me out of it. As for your other comments, you are certainly welcome to rebuff any comments I make but you certainly should be able to do so without the insults and personal attacks.  It seems that you are the one quick to judgment.  I made no comment regarding your expertise or anybody else’s on this subject.  I merely made an observation that your post contains specific product endorsements that you sell.  I am also in sales and quite often talk about the technology without following it with a sales pitch. If direct selling is permitted in this newsgroup, then you can simply and professionally direct me to a source that says so. Get a life !

<snip Before you buy.

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Thanks Lisa. Anyone that reads our posts or our return e-mails to real questions knows that we always try to provide good honest info to everyone. The truth here is that I wont take the garbage from the jerks so they have the need to slander us. Have a good weekend.

Slander? Is warning people that you have sold ozone generators to asthmatics ’slander?’ You are the person with a reputation to live down. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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First of all, it does not sound like Colin said anything inflammatory to warrant the SSSSS comment.  Next, your reply sounds too much like an ad and may be inappropriate for a discussion newsgroup. It is nice that vendors who sell products that help are available to answer questions but the answers should not contain obvious marketing comments. Here’SSSSSSS COLON

<snip Before you buy.

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Get a life ! Your one of those people that would be the first to go join a lynch mob with out caring or knowing what the story really is about. Dont worry, your not the only one that likes to shoot off your mouth. Colon and a few others just think that they are true to life experts in the field of indoor air quality air cleaning equipment and everything else on the entire planet. The fact is that they are not experts at all.They are opinion freaks! And when anyone{ especially me } posts on their own or in disagreement, they have a cow. It just so happens that we are state licensed experts in the the indoor air quality field and have been so since 1989.We also know all about the many different types and brands of HEPA air cleaners, air purifiers and allergy control products since we have been dealing  with them since 1989. We keep up with all of the latest info in our industry which makes us more qualified then most people on this newsgroup to answer questions from experience and not just opinions. So when we post a ton of info on different types of products or on allergy / asthma related problems it may sound like a salesman talking. The fact is we are in business to make money and after people in the newsgroup read the info that we post many of them go check out our website and then call us on the phone for more info or to place their order.If our answers to peoples questions are honest, full and complete, who cares if it sounds like marketing. As long as its a good answer made in good faith to the poster thats asking the question, that should be good enough. Its a hell of alot better then the answers from people that do not know a thing about the subject matter in the post.We have nothing against peoples opinions. Its just that you will need to do your own research to make your own decision based on all of the data and info that you recieve. Many people from this and other newsgroups become our customers after they do their research and can verify the info that we post. The most important fact here is that we ONLY answer posts from people that ask questions on allergy / asthma related problems or products. When we post back to them we answer those questions without ever asking them to purchase from our company. Its up to the people that are reading the posts to find our company on their own. If that bothers you, TOO BAD BECAUSE WE DO NOT SPAM THE NEWSGROUP. If you do not agree with our info or recommendations of allergy related products or info thats ok as well. Feel free to purchase low quality allergy products from Wal-Mart or elsewhere. But If you want good solid info that you can check out yourself to verify its validity, then read our posts and enjoy them.If you want to shoot off your mouth because you cant handle the fact that we will counter post to the lies and insults that certain jerks continuously and obsessively have the need to spew out every time we post in good faith to answer questions with proper honest answers.Go Ahead ! You will receive the same respect that you show to us. Respect goes both ways. If you want to dish it out ya better be ready to take some back. Show us respect and we will respect you! We will be here one way or the other. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, it does not sound like Colin said anything inflammatory to warrant the SSSSS comment.  Next, your reply sounds too much like an ad and may be inappropriate for a discussion newsgroup. It is nice that vendors who sell products that help are available to answer questions but the answers should not contain obvious marketing comments. Here’SSSSSSS COLON <snip Before you buy.

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YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass ! Mabe for the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase. Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market, Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best on the entire market period !

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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 Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass ! Mabe for  the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research  everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase.  Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin  Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market,  Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to  sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt  again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other  HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best  on the entire market period !

  YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary).   I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be   posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products,   we must assume bias.   "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell Folks, I have no idea what happened to my post of yesterday. However, I am shopping around, Colin, as I had mentioned in the missing thread. I had also asked if any one knew of a site or a source for a comparison of Air Purifiers in terms of reliability, maintenance cost, noise level, etc. The unit I am interested in should be quiet, built to last, and able to handle a 14′ x 17′ room. I listened to a couple of Kenmore models at our local Sears a couple of night ago and found them to be quieter than the Honeywell models. Panasonic has a couple of models available on-line only, which I would like to see and hear in person but unfortunately our only local Panasonic dealer does not carry air purifiers. Does anyone have any experience with these? If interested, Please do a search for Air Purifiers at the following link: http://www.servicemerchandise.com/ Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. With HIS best regards, <Note Barry! Seraph Ps. General Powell is right on the money, Colin. Before you buy.

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I have no idea what happened to my post of yesterday. However, I am shopping around, Colin, as I had mentioned in the missing thread. I had also asked if any one knew of a site or a source for a comparison of Air Purifiers in terms of reliability, maintenance cost, noise level, etc.

Last year Consumer Reports did an article on air filters.  Your local library should have copies. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass !

It could also stand for sssssnake oil salesman. This miserable gouger has been annoying people on the cigar newsgroups too. At least he’s consistent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mabe for the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase. Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market, Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best on the entire market period ! YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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If you are still shopping, try http://www.breathefree.com. They carry Austin products as well as others AND have a 30 day money back guarantee.  Not everyone can make that claim.

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Personally I don’t find him annoying at all.  He olny posts this info if someone posts previously asking for info on air cleaners/filter. Even then, he gives he info, doesn’t require that a person purchse only from him.  When we were looking for a new vauum a few months ago I eamiled  Barry, and was very impressed with his reply and his professionalism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass ! It could also stand for sssssnake oil salesman. This miserable gouger has been annoying people on the cigar newsgroups too. At least he’s consistent. Mabe for the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase. Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market, Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best on the entire market period ! YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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I’m more impressed with his illiteracy and pervasive self-interest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally I don’t find him annoying at all.  He olny posts this info if someone posts previously asking for info on air cleaners/filter. Even then, he gives he info, doesn’t require that a person purchse only from him.  When we were looking for a new vauum a few months ago I eamiled  Barry, and was very impressed with his reply and his professionalism. Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass ! It could also stand for sssssnake oil salesman. This miserable gouger has been annoying people on the cigar newsgroups too. At least he’s consistent. Mabe for the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase. Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market, Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best on the entire market period ! YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Thanks Lisa. Anyone that reads our posts or our return e-mails to real questions knows that we always try to provide good honest info to everyone. The truth here is that I wont take the garbage from the jerks so they have the need to slander us. Have a good weekend.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally I don’t find him annoying at all.  He olny posts this info if someone posts previously asking for info on air cleaners/filter. Even then, he gives he info, doesn’t require that a person purchse only from him. When we were looking for a new vauum a few months ago I eamiled  Barry, and was very impressed with his reply and his professionalism. Here’SSSSSSS COLON !!  The SSSSSS stands for snake in the grass ! It could also stand for sssssnake oil salesman. This miserable gouger has been annoying people on the cigar newsgroups too. At least he’s consistent. Mabe for the first time I gotta agree with you Colon. Seraph should research everything on HEPA air cleaners before deciding on which unit to purchase. Then after Seraph finds out on his or hers own that the Care 2000 or Austin Air HEPA air cleaners are indeed the best HEPA air cleaners on the market, Seraph will feel that the best choice was made. That’s how we decided to sell these two lines of HEPA air cleaners in the first place.Your rifgt again Colon. We are Bias. We are Bias because we would not sell any other HEPA air cleaner that is of a lower quality. Those two brands are the best on the entire market period ! YMMV  (Your Milage May Vary). I would suggest that you do some comparison shopping.  Barry may be posting with good intentions – but since he is selling those products, we must assume bias. "Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off."    General Colin Powell

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Hi folks, I don’t really know much about this type of filter other than it is meant to be a lot more efficient than the disposable jobs than can be readily purchased from retail stores. From what I have read Hepa filters do a good job of filtering dust, etc.  and are commonly used in the latest models of Air Purifiers. I would like to know where I can go on-line or on foot to buy one of these (10"x20"x1") for my living room. I figure if these filters work well in an air purifier, then they should perform better than the cheap disposable residential type air filters.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. With best regards, Seraph Before you buy.

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I would like to know where I can go on-line or on foot to buy one of these (10"x20"x1") for my living room. I figure if these filters work well in an air purifier, then they should perform better than the cheap disposable residential type air filters.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It’s not online, but, Sears usually has a good selection.  The best place to put one first is in your bedroom.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com   COLON—I do it because its just plain FUN! Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to be right in everything you say!  And yes I am a state certified class B air conditioning contractor. I have been in the IAQ business since 1989 cleaning sick buildings from condos to federal buildings. I own all types of equipment from Large industrial HEPA vacuum units to $60.000 Pringle power vac trucks . Im qualified to mix and apply many types of biocides in indoor environments. I also do upgrades and the cleaning in cleanrooms in hospitals and computer rooms I have tested just about every type and brand of HEPA air cleaner and air purifier on the market. I know which units work best and why they  work . That goes for the junkie units as well. For the last ten years I have put out a large national allergy/asthma products mail order catalog which gets shipped to allergists throughout the USA , Canada and South America There’s much more to my credentials but I think that was a good start. So COLON you just keep telling people that I dont know what Im talking about. You will always be just plain COLON to me!

So you are not certified nor trained in IAQ? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Say what you want to COLON !

One thing I have never figured out is why people seem to think that deliberately misspelling my name in this manners is supposed to impress me. Is it original?  No. Is it mature?  No. Is it cute?  No. And isn’t the last guy to do this our resident Alpine fraud?   quality, allergy / asthma products and air cleaners. After being in the business since 1989 I am an expert in this field.

Are you a certified IAQ technician?  Or are you an expert salesman? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Barry here of http://www.aircleaners.com   COLON—I do it because its just plain FUN! Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to be right in everything you say!  And yes I am a state certified class B air conditioning contractor. I have been in the IAQ business since 1989 cleaning sick buildings from condos to federal buildings. I own all types of equipment from Large industrial HEPA vacuum units to $60.000 Pringle power vac trucks . Im qualified to mix and apply many types of biocides in indoor environments. I also do upgrades and the cleaning in cleanrooms in hospitals and computer rooms I have tested just about every type and brand of HEPA air cleaner and air purifier on the market. I know which units work best and why they  work . That goes for the junkie units as well. For the last ten years I have put out a large national allergy/asthma products mail order catalog which gets shipped to allergists throughout the USA , Canada and South America There’s much more to my credentials but I think that was a good start. So COLON you just keep telling people that I dont know what Im talking about. You will always be just plain COLON to me! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Say what you want to COLON ! One thing I have never figured out is why people seem to think that deliberately misspelling my name in this manners is supposed to impress me. Is it original?  No. Is it mature?  No. Is it cute?  No. And isn’t the last guy to do this our resident Alpine fraud? quality, allergy / asthma products and air cleaners. After being in the business since 1989 I am an expert in this field. Are you a certified IAQ technician?  Or are you an expert salesman? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Hey Colon, I post the truth. If you can still read I stated on the post to ask anyone that has owned both types of air cleaners what their opinion of both types of units were!  Your a trouble maker!

I wouldn’t have any problem with your posts if they were intended to help people.  All you are trying to do is sell things. This is a support group.  There are .forsale groups that are more appropriate for commercial postings. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Say what you want to COLON ! I post the truth when it comes to indoor air quality, allergy / asthma products and air cleaners. After being in the business since 1989 I am an expert in this field. If someone asks where to purchase a product, Im not going to send them to someone else . Im going to tell them to check out my website so they can see what I sell. After they read the info on my products , they can decide where and if they want to make a purchase.If they want info on a product or anything else, I will answer their question if I feel that I can help them.   Your really a JERK COLON!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Colon, I post the truth. If you can still read I stated on the post to ask anyone that has owned both types of air cleaners what their opinion of both types of units were!  Your a trouble maker! I wouldn’t have any problem with your posts if they were intended to help people.  All you are trying to do is sell things. This is a support group.  There are .forsale groups that are more appropriate for commercial postings. No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Honeywell air cleaners are not good quality! Just because many dept stores sell them does not mean that they are good quality! They are so loud, any{ MOST} people cant sleep with them turned on at night. The clean air is shot down to the ground which kicks up more dust into the air, You will have to replace prefilters every two to three months at a very high price in the long run, Their air exchange rate per hour is very LOW! Even in a bedroom sized room. The Austin Air Healthmate Is the Best HEPA air cleaner on the market! Just ask anyone that has owned both machines. They are ten times better then the Honeywells in every way!  For your best source for the Austin Air HEPA units , See the website at http://www.aircleaners.com

Of course you sell the Austin product.  Can you please take your constant sales pitches somewhere else? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Hey Colon, I post the truth. If you can still read I stated on the post to ask anyone that has owned both types of air cleaners what their opinion of both types of units were!  Your a trouble maker!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Honeywell air cleaners are not good quality! Just because many dept stores sell them does not mean that they are good quality! They are so loud, any{ MOST} people cant sleep with them turned on at night. The clean air is shot down to the ground which kicks up more dust into the air, You will have to replace prefilters every two to three months at a very high price in the long run, Their air exchange rate per hour is very LOW! Even in a bedroom sized room. The Austin Air Healthmate Is the Best HEPA air cleaner on the market! Just ask anyone that has owned both machines. They are ten times better then the Honeywells in every way!  For your best source for the Austin Air HEPA units , See the website at http://www.aircleaners.com Of course you sell the Austin product.  Can you please take your constant sales pitches somewhere else? No electrons were harmed in the posting of this message.

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Honeywell air cleaners are not good quality! Just because many dept stores sell them does not mean that they are good quality! They are so loud, any{ MOST} people cant sleep with them turned on at night. The clean air is shot down to the ground which kicks up more dust into the air, You will have to replace prefilters every two to three months at a very high price in the long run, Their air exchange rate per hour is very LOW! Even in a bedroom sized room. The Austin Air Healthmate Is the Best HEPA air cleaner on the market! Just ask anyone that has owned both machines. They are ten times better then the Honeywells in every way!  For your best source for the Austin Air HEPA units , See the website at http://www.aircleaners.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Home Depot sells quite a few Honeywell Airpurifiers also. I have two Honeywell HEPA air cleaners that I purchased through National Allergy Supply.  I bought both of them within the past year, so the price I paid should be relatively current.  If I’m remembering right I paid about $200 for one, and $175 for the other.  If you would like, I can hunt the website address for National Allergy Supply.  Just let me know. Take care! Ash I am in the process of researching hepa air purifiers. I need one that will cover a living room/Kitchen area in a house, at least 1200 sq. feet. I would like to stay under $400.  There are so many I don’t know which one is better. Any help on what you guys might have found and what you like would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Home Depot sells quite a few Honeywell Airpurifiers also. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have two Honeywell HEPA air cleaners that I purchased through National Allergy Supply.  I bought both of them within the past year, so the price I paid should be relatively current.  If I’m remembering right I paid about $200 for one, and $175 for the other.  If you would like, I can hunt the website address for National Allergy Supply.  Just let me know. Take care! Ash I am in the process of researching hepa air purifiers. I need one that will cover a living room/Kitchen area in a house, at least 1200 sq. feet. I would like to stay under $400.  There are so many I don’t know which one is better. Any help on what you guys might have found and what you like would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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I am in the process of researching hepa air purifiers. I need one that will cover a living room/Kitchen area in a house, at least 1200 sq. feet. I would like to stay under $400.  There are so many I don’t know which one is better. Any help on what you guys might have found and what you like would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Check this link, it might help: http://www.thstore.com/thstore/ProductInfo2.asp?ID=A-ESP- 4000SC&GroupID=7 AllerAir products are not as known as the big companies, but their products are excellent: they combine different technologies which have each a specific role in the elimination of airborne contaminants. We also carry replacement elements. Good luck in your research, The Health Store "Dive Into Purity" www.thstore.com I am in the process of researching hepa air purifiers. I need one that will cover a living room/Kitchen area in a house, at least 1200 sq. feet. I would like to stay under $400.  There are so many I don’t know which one is better. Any help on what you guys might have found and what you like would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Before you buy.

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I have two Honeywell HEPA air cleaners that I purchased through National Allergy Supply.  I bought both of them within the past year, so the price I paid should be relatively current.  If I’m remembering right I paid about $200 for one, and $175 for the other.  If you would like, I can hunt the website address for National Allergy Supply.  Just let me know. Take care! Ash – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in the process of researching hepa air purifiers. I need one that will cover a living room/Kitchen area in a house, at least 1200 sq. feet. I would like to stay under $400.  There are so many I don’t know which one is better. Any help on what you guys might have found and what you like would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Hi Jean, please keep in touch about your Tennitus. Tell me about your med, Amitryplilline.

…………………  Colleen,  Amitryptilline (elavil) is an old antidepressant invented before the new ssri’s. Its been around about 35-40 years from what I’ve been told.  It was prescribed for me after getting tinnitus 14 years ago when newer ssri’s were not available.  I refused to take it at first. About l year into the T and driven to despair over it, I realized I had to finally listen to my md and try someting.  Within a few weeks I was able to eat and sleep normally and the tinnitus did not seem so severe. I continued the medication for about 1 year and stopped when my life finally returned to some type of normalcy..  Like many tinnitus sufferers – I too am  plagued with reoccuring bouts of severe depression. These depressions are cyclic/endogenous and and unreated to any external life event.   I believe that depression is a precursor for many of us with tinnitus but that these two conditions *do not* necessarily have to coexist.    Elavil (amitryptilline) is *not* the majic bullet for tinnitus, but I believe antid’s can be   helpful aiding  the habituation/acclimation period of tinnitus.  jean – no designations  edu. college of experience  

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Every now and then I think its nice to introduce/reintroduce ourselves to each other as there have been so many new additions to the group over the past several months. We havent done this in awhile, but last time we did it, it was alot of fun… I’ll start the ball rolling. I hope many of you unknowns will add your profiles too… No one is under any obligation to answer and each of these questions can be answered in part or in full… For the sake of all of our new members I hope our professionals’ will add their profiles also. If anyone has anything to add.. feel free.. ……………………………………………… Name:  Jean Black Age:   46/F Residency: Scranton, Pa. Occupation: real estate broker/appraiser (concentrate in the appraisal field) Hi every one  - Great idea Jean

This is me Henry Love Bristol UK Tinnitus for about 20 years – Cause Not sure but the bombs in Belfast certainly didn’t help ! Age 59 Occupation. Business Management Consultant – own practice and artist. Deaf too. I use two high power in the canal hearing aids made by Starkey. How do I cope with the Big T ?  Cope! It is always there just like my left foot; after a time I just forget it but then I stub my toe and I remember it. Its loud then. Very best regards Henry Bristol England

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When using a blow dryer the other day, the ear closest to the dryer started a very deep thumping.  It sounded as if a large person were walking down the hall.  When I turned off the dryer, the thumping increased in intensity and rhythm for about 5 seconds, then subsided for another 5 or so, then stopped completely and went back to my normal moderate T.  Has anyone else experienced effects from a hair dryer?

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 Hi All,  I hope everyone is enjoying reading the profiles and responses of the members who posted their "intros" as much as I am.  It’s people and posts like this that actually humanize the newsgroup bringing the intenet to life.  Although we’re as varied in location as we are in backgrounds and occupations this affliction has brought us all together for some unbeknown reason..  I hope, as we all do, that  our differences in opinion can always be put aside in the best interest of the newcomers as they begin to discover usenet and alt. support tinnitus.  jean

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 Every now and then I think its nice to introduce/reintroduce ourselves to each other as there have been so many new additions to the group over the past several months.  We havent done this in awhile, but last time we did it, it was alot of fun… I’ll start the ball rolling. I hope many of you unknowns will add your profiles too… No one is under any obligation to answer and each of these questions can be answered in part or in full…  For the sake of all of our new members I hope our professionals’ will add their profiles also.  If anyone has anything to add.. feel free.. ……………………………. Name:  Inge Krol Age:   42/F Residency: Bergeijk, the Netherlands (near Belgian border) Married, one daughter (very bright, great fun to be with) Occupation: secretary (mostly, all kinds of tasks in small trading company) How many years/months with tinnitus: into my fourth yearnoe Cause of tinnitus: Hypothyroidism Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  flunarizine, magnesium, zink, gingko (none of which helped. now home made TRT (Viennatone Silent Star, relaxation exercises, following Jean’s example to take the days as they come, doing fine now, also thanks to this group, because where I live support is hard to come by close by)

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Hi Jean, please keep in touch about your Tennitus. Tell me about your med, Amitryplilline. I am very interested. I’m 59 and have had Tennitus for 19 solid years without any relief. It’s getting very bad and the ENT doctor wants me to wear 2 hearing aids which I’m fighting. I don’t have them yet because I still want to find something to stop the ringing so I can hear again. Please write me, I’d love to hear from you. Mkaybrick@aol-Love Colleen

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Here’s a snippet on amitriptyline from a medications database. ——————————– Generic Name:     Amitriptyline HCl Information Title: TRICYCLIC ANTIDEPRESSANTS – ORAL, INJECTION Uses:This medication is used to treat depression. It may take 2 to 3 weeks before the full effects of this medication are noticed. It may also be used to treat nerve pain, insomnia, bed-wetting in children and has other purposes as well.  How to Use This Medication:Take this as prescribed. Try to take each dose at the same time(s) each day so you remember to routinely take this.    Do not stop taking this medication without your doctor’s approval. Nausea, headache or fatigue can occur if the drug is suddenly stopped.   Side Effects:May cause drowsiness, dizziness, increased sun sensitivity or blurred vision.    May initially cause dizziness and lightheadedness when rising too quickly from a sitting or lying position.    Other side effects include heartburn, loss of appetite, dry mouth, strange taste in mouth, anxiety, restlessness or sweating. These should subside as your body adjusts to the medication.    Notify your doctor if you develop chest pain, a rapid heart rate, difficulty urinating, nightmares, ringing in the ears, excessive sedation or uncoordinated movements while taking this medication.    Taking this medication at bedtime may help minimize side effects. Talk to your doctor about this.    In the unlikely event you have an allergic reaction to this drug, seek medical attention immediately. Symptoms of an allergic reaction include rash, itching, swelling, dizziness or trouble breathing.  Precautions:Before using this drug tell your doctor your medical history, especially of glaucoma, prostate problems, decreased urine output, thyroid disease, breathing problems, seizure problems, alcohol use, heart disease,mental/emotional problems, liver or kidney disease and of any drug allergies.    Use caution when engaging in tasks requiring alertness such as driving or operating machinery.    Limit alcohol consumption as it may increase the drowsiness and dizziness effects of this drug.    Limit exposure to hot weather as it may lead to heat stroke.    This drug should be used during pregnancy only if clearly needed. Discuss the risks and benefits with your doctor.    This drug may be excreted into breast milk. The effects on the infant are not known at this time. Consult your doctor before breast-feeding.   Interactions:Inform your doctor about the medicines you take, especially if you take clonidine, guanadrel, guanethidine, MAO inhibitors (e.g., furazolidone, phenelzine, selegiline, tranylcypromine), cimetidine, SSRIs (e.g., fluoxetine, sertraline), warfarin, carbamazepine,  certain diet pills (e.g., phentermine, fenfluramine), adrenaline-type drugs (e.g., dopamine, ephedrine, epinephrine, pseudoephedrine, phenylephrine, isoproterenol) some of which may be found in cough and cold or asthma products and of any other drugs you may use, both prescription and nonprescription. This drug may cause an allergic reaction in patients with a history of sensitivity to the following:  Carbamazepine; Tricyclic Antidepressants.  Use the Interactions Checker located on the main toolbar for additional interaction information for this drug. Drug Tips & Label Warnings:Do not allow anyone else to use this medication. May cause drowsiness.  Alcohol may intensify this effect.  Use care when operating a car or dangerous machines.Avoid prolonged or excessive exposure to direct and/or artificial sunlight while taking this medication.It is very important that you take or use this exactly as directed.  Do not skip doses or discontinue unless directed by your doctor.Obtain medical advice before taking non-prescription drugs as some may affect the action of this medication. Dosage Information:Minimum/Maximum Adult Daily Dose:100 – 300 mg  (milligram) OR 1 – 3 TabletIf you miss a dose and are taking more than 1 daily: do not take it if it is almost time for the next dose, instead, skip the missed dose and resume your usual dosing schedule. If you take it once daily at bedtime, do not take it the following morning. Call your doctor. Do not double the dose to catch up.  Storage:Store at room temperature away from moisture and sunlight. Do not store in the bathroom. Do not freeze liquid forms of this medication.   Related Drugs:Amitriptyline HCl 100 mg Tablet is available by Prescription.   Below are the names and availability of other drug forms that also have the generic name Amitriptyline HCl.  Some may not be available at all pharmacies, and others may be that are not listed here.  Check with your doctor or pharmacist. Elavil 10 mg/ml Vial – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 10 mg Tablet – Prescription Endep 10 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 10 mg Tablet – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 100 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 100 mg Tablet – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 150 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 150 mg Tablet – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 25 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 25 mg Tablet – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 50 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 50 mg Tablet – Prescription Amitriptyline HCl 75 mg Tablet – Prescription Elavil 75 mg Tablet – PrescriptionAmitriptyline HCl 100 mg Tablet belongs to the class Central Nervous System Agents / Psychotherapeutic Agents / Antidepressants. ——————————- MkayBrick wrote:

Hi Jean, please keep in touch about your Tennitus. Tell me about your med, Amitryplilline.  

—- Thomas E. Boismier, M.P.H. Director of The Balance Care Center, a division of Ear, Nose & Throat Associates, P.C. 347 W. Berry St, Suite 102 Fort Wayne  IN  46802

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Name: Robert Dion Age: 45 Residency: Montreal, Canada Occupation: CAD draftsman, Montreal Public Works How long with T:  21 months Medication: None Comments: Overweight, tinnitus came about pretty suddenly.  Maybe due to drinking so much diet soft drinks with Aspartame, who knows?  Right now I am following Dr. Nagler’s advice from a while back: I found an ENT that knows Tinnitus and we are finding out all we can about my T. He found that my right nostril is swollen and that I check for Apnee in a sleep clinic, that’ll be on may the 25th.   My tinnitus roams from my right ear to the back of my head and it changes in quality and quantity throughout the day. Fullness in both ears, but worse in left one.  It definitely is louder when I wake up from a nap. The first months were awful I had panic and anxiety attacks, could not sleep, I thought it was the end of the world. Hypnotherapy saved me from going over the edge, I can now sleep whenever I wish, but not more than a maximum of 4 hours at a time. Usually 2 hour segments. Time is the equalizer. Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Name:  Jean Black Age:   46/F Residency: Scranton, Pa. Occupation: real estate broker/appraiser (concentrate in the appraisal field) How many years/months with tinnitus: 15 years Cause of tinnitus: Unknown – (possible overexposure to noise, stress, ear problems) Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  amitryptilline 25mg Additional Comments: The first year was hell. The second year was purgatory, the third year was all about picking up the pieces and getting my life back on track. From then on life’s been pretty much normal again… Over the past 2 years being involved with ast has helped me understand that the cure to tinnitus lies in one word….. APPLE: A: acceptance  P: prayers  P: patience  L: letting time pass  E: encouragement.

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Every now and then I think its nice to introduce/reintroduce ourselves to each other as there have been so many new additions to the group over the past several months. We havent done this in awhile, but last time we did it, it was alot of fun… I’ll start the ball rolling. I hope many of you unknowns will add your profiles too… No one is under any obligation to answer and each of these questions can be answered in part or in full… For the sake of all of our new members I hope our professionals’ will add their profiles also. If anyone has anything to add.. feel free.. ……………………………………………… Name:  Jean Black Age:   46/F Residency: Scranton, Pa. Occupation: real estate broker/appraiser (concentrate in the appraisal field) How many years/months with tinnitus: 15 years Cause of tinnitus: Unknown – (possible overexposure to noise, stress, ear problems) Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  amitryptilline 25mg Additional Comments: The first year was hell. The second year was purgatory, the third year was all about picking up the pieces and getting my life back on track. From then on life’s been pretty much normal again… Over the past 2 years being involved with ast has helped me understand that the cure to tinnitus lies in one word….. APPLE: A: acceptance  P: prayers  P: patience  L: letting time pass  E: encouragement.

I mainly read this group, but I thought if you don’t I would like to join in Name: Sandy Age:  55/F Residency: Romford Essex U.K Occupation:  Home Maker Number Years/with Tinnitus/Meniere’s   31 Cause: started when pregnant with first child Med.:  Buccastem (for the Meniere’s) Treatment: I have had one operation for the Meniere’s, and  had five years without a  Meniere’s attack, but they have now returned, and I have to make a decision as to whether to have another operation, this time to cut the Auditory Nerve. (Not to sure exactly what this entails yet) When I had the first operation the doctor’s hoped it might have helped the Tinnitus and deafness but it did not. Life: NONE — Sandy Romford Essex U.K mailto:jas…@harold11.freeserve.co.uk

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Mike Fick Albuquerque, NM/USA 55 yo. 12-14 years with mild left T and occasional 6-day vertigo episodes diagnosed as BPPV. Retired from Air Force and engineering career a decade ago to free up my time for the IMPORTANT stuff: windsurfing. Now do technical writing when it’s not windy. But two years ago my L ear shut off overnight, from decent hearing to no hearing at all on that side in 8 hours. STILL most docs said it was not Menere’s. No meds ever helped the T, vertigo, or hearing. But when vertiginous drop attacks stopped me from driving, walking near hard surfaces, etc., the MANY docs involved converged on Meniere’s diagnosis. The drop attacks (6-8 in a month, each like being tackled by a pro linebacker) quit, but I could not risk their returning while I was driving or sailing, so I had the offending cochlea dug outta there 18 months ago. Went windsurfing 13 days later in a near-gale. Had no effect on the T, but I can now get on with my life. At least my T has gotten no WORSE in the last 12 years. No docs have blamed my T or Meniere’s on any specific trauma, but I played with fireworks for years, raced dirt bikes for decades (doesn’t explain unilateral T), fired handguns for a few years, and drove fast with car windows open for years. I’m prepared to start taking sign and lip reading lessons if I ever get another vertigo attack, because it would probably mean I’ve lost the bilateral Meniere’s odds. That’s just one more vote for windsurfing while I can, because losing my remaining hearing and balance could  pretty much ends life as I know it. Mike

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Name: Arie Bomhof Hometown: Lethbridge, Alberta Age: 44 Occ.: Programmer Analyst Yrs: 2 months Meds: elavil (25mg), zopiclone to help with sleeping Comments: I had a mild case of t 5yrs (for about 2 months)ago.  I was having some dental work done when I got it.  After final adjustments to bridge work the t went away and never thought about it again.  So there is some encouragement for some who are asking "will it ever go away".  Yes it does in some cases. About 2 months ago I took a shot with a .22 rifle which caused ringing in my ears right away.  The ringing stopped after a few minutes, but about a week later they started hissing to the point now when I hear it all the time. Mine is quieter in the morning louder in the evening.  No matter what I eat or drink even a little wine or other alcohol, does not seem to affect my constant t. The zopiclone really helps me sleep but I hope to stop that soon.  This group has been a real blessing to me.  I, like some others, in the group have a strong faith in Jesus Christ, I pray alot for all who have t,  especially those who are just discovering they have it, for those who offer so much support in this group, and for the research and cure in the future.  All those who say that t will get better with time, are absolutely right.  Thanks to Jean who really got me through my dark days of January.  God bless you all and lets keep praying for that day when our doctors can say, "Here, take this and it’ll be gone in the morning"

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Diana Haver     Richmond, VA 54-year-old grandmother applications programmer T started one year ago after an ear infection.  I have also been helped very much by this group.  In the beginning I could not sleep and left a contract job that I had just begun.  Now I am back working, and that keeps my mind off of it most of the time.  Sleep OK.  Ginkgo has helped, but I am not taking it right now.  Medical College of VA Tinnitus Clinic recommended low sugar diet, which helped.  They also do electrical stimulation of the brain, but I don’t feel bad enough to try that.  The humor out here has been my biggest help.  I remember well the day that I sat here laughing at ‘I wake up in the morning and my ear goes ringy-ding’.  I had been feeling so bad that I could not believe that I was laughing at that.  That was a real turning point for me. So thanks to all who have provided humor and help.

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Name:  Wayne Minick Age:   54/M Residency: sauble Beach, Ontario Occupation: Retired Elementary School Teacher. How many years/months with tinnitus: 1 yr Cause of tinnitus: Unknown – Lifestyle?? Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  None Additional Comments: Scared the hell out of me when the continual ringing wouldn’t go away. Now, I just operate around it and make the best of the situation.

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JF (prefer internet anonymity) age: 42, male, electrical control systems engineer, had T for 2 years and five months, live in ohio, I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. My T is most likely noise induced and possibly aggravated by dental work and antibiotics, used to drink a lot of coffee and tea, stress makes my T worse as does lack of sleep, poor nutrition, loud noises, and lying down. T got louder last fall but I can’t figure out why. tried ginko but it didn’t seem to help. did the ENT thing (live with it). now just trying to cope and not let it effect my life in a negative way. Sorry about the cancer scare. Thanks for setting me straight! JF

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OK, I’m mostly a reader here and enjoy the interaction between all the regulars: NAME: Dave Green RESIDENCY; wellington, New Zealand OCCUPATION: Computer Sales & Technical HOW MANY YEARS: I’ve had T for 4 years AGE:44/ M CAUSE OF TINNITUS: Unknown, prob loud noise exposure MED/TREATMENTS: nothing regular now, used Imovane at onset. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Mine started as soft hiss in my right ear but is now quite audible in both ears. Doesn’t worry me unless I get overtired. Dave — ** Please remove the -anon from my address if replying by email **

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male 25 sydney australia got T and H probably from too many hours at dance clubs, but paternal uncle and mother have T have had T and H for 3.5 years almost drove me to the brink, but a constant faith that somehow, I would learn to cope with it pulled me through, bad family situation, coupled with an additional chronic illness did not help never taken any meds at all, saw about 4 ents, all heartless bastards, found some wonderful audiologists, they helped a lot, dream is to have a huge benefit music festival with all the big names to help T / H awareness and raise some funds music remains my first and only love Yours Tc On 1 Mar 1999 00:31:25 GMT, jb2…@aol.com (JB2178) wrote:

: : Every now and then I think its nice to introduce/reintroduce ourselves to each ther as there have been so many new additions to the group over the past :several months. : : We havent done this in awhile, but last time we did it, it was alot of fun… :I’ll start the ball rolling. I hope many of you unknowns will add your profiles :too… No one is under any obligation to answer and each of these questions can :be answered in part or in full… : : For the sake of all of our new members I hope our professionals’ will add :their profiles also. : : If anyone has anything to add.. feel free.. : :……………………………………………… :Name:  Jean Black : :Age:   46/F : :Residency: Scranton, Pa. : :Occupation: real estate broker/appraiser (concentrate in the appraisal field) : :How many years/months with tinnitus: 15 years : :Cause of tinnitus: Unknown – (possible overexposure to noise, stress, ear :problems) : :Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  amitryptilline 25mg : :Additional Comments: The first year was hell. The second year was purgatory, :the third year was all about picking up the pieces and getting my life back on :track. From then on life’s been pretty much normal again… Over the past 2 :years being involved with ast has helped me understand that the cure to :tinnitus lies in one word….. APPLE: :A: acceptance  P: prayers  P: patience  L: letting time pass  E: encouragement. : :   =-=-=- remove NOSPAM if replying by email

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Hi: NAME: Mimi RESIDENCY; Toronto, Canada OCCUPATION: Corporate Interior Designer HOW MANY YEARS: 2 months pulsatile T, 3 weeks squealing T AGE: 31/F CAUSE OF TINNITUS: Under investigation MED/TREATMENTS: nothing ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Seem to be coping mostly due to the existence of this group.

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NAME:  Tom Boismier RESIDENCY  Fort Wayne IN, USA OCCUPATION:  Director of a vestibular laboratory and balance rehab program HOW MANY YEARS:  10, right side, episodic ringing, ‘mild’ AGE:  39/M CAUSE OF TINNITUS:  probably endolymphatic hydrops (I have right ear fullness and spells of vertigo too) MED/TREATMENTS:  sodium restriction and 1/2 gal water/day. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:  Believe it or not, my tinnitus and vertigo started about 4 years AFTER I started working in vestibular labs. Must be catching… —- Thomas E. Boismier, M.P.H. Director of The Balance Care Center, a division of Ear, Nose & Throat Associates, P.C. 347 W. Berry St, Suite 102 Fort Wayne  IN  46802

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wrote Every now and then I think its nice to introduce/reintroduce ourselves to each other as there have been so many new additions to the group over the past several months.

Good idea Jean.   Here’s mine Name:  Rien van Keulen Age:   47/M Residency: Witham, Essex, UK Occupation: Electronic Data Interchange consultant in insurance industry How many years/months with tinnitus: 23 years Cause of tinnitus: Sudden hearing loss on both sides accompanied by t Meds/Treatments that helped my tinnitus:  never tried any because they weren’t available. Additional Comments: Support from my wife, my boss at the time, a super audiologist and the realisation that there were a lot of people out there with far greater problems helped me to get through the first 6 months. After that acceptance of the "new me" meant that neither deafness nor t have ever held me back.  Especially the t is part of me and if at times it is louder than at others, then so be it.  I do wonder, if I only have a mild form, if there is such a thing.  I actually use it to go to sleep at night! — Rien a Dutchman in Witham, Essex, UK For correct e-mail address: delete "changethis" and replace with: demon.co.uk        

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Subject: Re: Introductions anyone?? From: "wayne dudenas" <wdude…@npiec.on.ca Date: Mon, Mar 1, 1999

NAME: Leonard LOCATION: Somewhere in the Golden West YEARS WITH T: 15-20 CAUSE: Noise-induced

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Well, my up-until-now supportive BF has been just _wonderful_ about my WOE. Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof. He lectured me for about 30 min. about anorexia and inaccurate body images, etc. I’ve admitted to having an eating disorder in high school (and what woman in America _doesn’t_ have some sort of eating disorder?), but all I want is to be in the weight range of the small build section for my height! Augh! He was standing there, holding the bottle above his head and I was jumping up and down, trying to bat it out of his hand, begging and whining like a junkie. Looking back on it, it’s reeeeaaaallly embarassing. "But I’m doing so good with it! I don’t have any cravings! You don’t know what it’s like! I feel so good!" Ack. Mortifying. He _eventually_ gave me back the bottle (funny how he didn’t even notice the vivarin and baby asprin sitting right next to it), with the demand that I only take them every other day, and I must stop taking them as soon as I reach 130. Sigh. I promised and then snuck a dose this morning. I feel wretched, ‘cos I broke my promise and I feel like he’s really a) disappointed in me for taking them in the first place and b) less supportive now of my WOE. So basically, I’m just looking for some sympathy. On the up side, the ketostix showed a dark moderate last night. Didn’t weigh myself though. Sniffle, Lydia 145/141/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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. Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof.

I just don’t understand if something is  THAT bad for you…why is it OTC? IMO everything is "bad" for you if not taken in moderation. I used to take Phentermine and my boyfriend went "nuts."  However, he didn’t lecture me nor tell/ask me to stop.  He only proposed I asked a "real" doctor (i.e. family doctor/ OBGYN …someone I trusted).  I did that only because I felt he MAY be right, that he may be on to something.  I asked my family doctor and she absolutely refused to give me any such drug and explained the perks, both good and bad.  I stopped taking phentermine immediately. Now, I take this thermogenic "fat-burner" I bought from Puritan’s Pride (www.puritan.com), it has ephedra, guarana (caffeine) and I add a couple aspirin to the regimen.  Maybe, just maybe, he (your BF) wouldn’t object to such a "drug."  My boyfriend is ok with this (even if he wasn’t, isn’t this MY life, MY body?). Just a thought… Wummin~ Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Well, my up-until-now supportive BF has been just _wonderful_ about my WOE. Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof.

Are mini-thins some commercial form of the ECA stack?  I’ve not heard of them. If they are, show him some of the many posts or medline articles on how, when used in proper dosages, this is a perfectly safe, and *effective* diet aid. Dave 225/200/170 Low Carbing since 6/2/98 "We are Lawyer Borg, juries are irrelevant, judgments are irrelevant.  We’ll appeal."

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Level with him Lydia. Present your case with scientific arguments.From the bottom of your mind and heart tell him everything you feel and think about the matter including any vulnerabilities/insecurities you have.Communicate. If he is as upset and caring as his reaction shows, he should be willing to accept your challenge that you examine the facts closely together and find out whether you are truly endangering your health. The more open minded you are the more open minded he has to be. Stop hiding in order to do the things you believe are within your right to do.Stop hiding period. Beat him over the head with kindness.acceptance and togetherness while remaining your own positive, centered,mature self. He he…Overkill?! What do you think Lydia? He has the high ground: Mainstream acceptance and righteousness.Most MDs will side with him citing your blemished record as well.You have anecdotal evidence,your own character and the new truth that will one day be established beyond doubt. A difficult case in my mock trial scenarios….

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Wummin, I believe Mini-Thins are ephedra.  Lydia is stacking.  You’re herbal stacking.  If Lydia’s BF doesn’t object to her taking Puritan’s Pride it’s only because he doesn’t know it’s the same thing. My guess is he won’t be happy with her taking any diet aids since she had an eating disorder in high school.  I can see his point, I would also be worried that this would be like "just one drink" for an alcoholic.  Of course, I don’t know any thing about the circumstance or nature of the eating disorder she had.  Not the mention the fact that I’m not a expert on any thing I’ve expressed an opinion about here (ie: stacking & eating disorders). I do wish the best for Lydia.  Caution does seem prudent in this case. Karyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof. I just don’t understand if something is  THAT bad for you…why is it OTC? IMO everything is "bad" for you if not taken in moderation. I used to take Phentermine and my boyfriend went "nuts."  However, he didn’t lecture me nor tell/ask me to stop.  He only proposed I asked a "real" doctor (i.e. family doctor/ OBGYN …someone I trusted).  I did that only because I felt he MAY be right, that he may be on to something.  I asked my family doctor and she absolutely refused to give me any such drug and explained the perks, both good and bad.  I stopped taking phentermine immediately. Now, I take this thermogenic "fat-burner" I bought from

c(www.puritan.com), it has ephedra, guarana (caffeine) and I add a couple – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -aspirin to the regimen.  Maybe, just maybe, he (your BF) wouldn’t object to such a "drug."  My boyfriend is ok with this (even if he wasn’t, isn’t this MY life, MY body?). Just a thought… Wummin~ Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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: My guess is he won’t be happy with her taking any diet aids since she had an : eating disorder in high school.   You’re right on, there…not having a sweet tooth himself, he doesn’t understand how _wonderful_ it is to see a plate of donuts and go "Eh. Donuts. Bleh." And even if he did, he doesn’t like the idea of my taking an appetite suppressant in any form. : I do wish the best for Lydia.  Caution does seem prudent in this case. Thank you! I’m wishing the best for me, too. ‘Course, that means wishing to weigh 126. You’re right with the "just one drink" analogy. I still have a difficult time not starving myself. But I know that _eating_ is the only way I will loose the weight I gained as a vegetarian (gained about 25 lbs eating about 1,000 calories/day). I’ve thought about this and I’ve decided that, starting next week, I will only take the stack on M-W-F and on the days where I perform at the Rennaissance Festival. That is the most I’m willing to compromise. Plus, if I find I simply _cannot_ stick to the WOE without the ECA, then I _am_ using the stack for the wrong reasons… Thanks to everyone for the kind words. Lydia 145/141/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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Wummin, I believe Mini-Thins are ephedra.  Lydia is stacking.  You’re herbal

stacking.     Are they completely different…I thought they were essentially     the same… My guess is he won’t be happy with her taking any diet aids since she had

an eating disorder in high school.  I can see his point, I would also be worried that this would be like "just one drink" for an alcoholic.     Point VERY well taken, I apologize for sounding "snooty."  : Wummin~ Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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lydia, sounds like your BF really loves and cares about you! rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, my up-until-now supportive BF has been just _wonderful_ about my WOE. Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof. He lectured me for about 30 min. about anorexia and inaccurate body images, etc. I’ve admitted to having an eating disorder in high school (and what woman in America _doesn’t_ have some sort of eating disorder?), but all I want is to be in the weight range of the small build section for my height! Augh! He was standing there, holding the bottle above his head and I was jumping up and down, trying to bat it out of his hand, begging and whining like a junkie. Looking back on it, it’s reeeeaaaallly embarassing. "But I’m doing so good with it! I don’t have any cravings! You don’t know what it’s like! I feel so good!" Ack. Mortifying. He _eventually_ gave me back the bottle (funny how he didn’t even notice the vivarin and baby asprin sitting right next to it), with the demand that I only take them every other day, and I must stop taking them as soon as I reach 130. Sigh. I promised and then snuck a dose this morning. I feel wretched, ‘cos I broke my promise and I feel like he’s really a) disappointed in me for taking them in the first place and b) less supportive now of my WOE. So basically, I’m just looking for some sympathy. On the up side, the ketostix showed a dark moderate last night. Didn’t weigh myself though. Sniffle, Lydia 145/141/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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can someone tell me aproximately how much more weight you lose with stacking? I want to know if it’s worth all that

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Ok…. maybe I’m a little dumb… or just a little sheltered. Can someone please explain *very simply*: 1) What are Mini Thins? 2) What is Stacking? Thanks ~Mischief~ 177/142/125

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: lydia, : sounds like your BF really loves and cares about you! He does, Rosie. He’s a doll and a half and I wouldn’t trade him for the _world_. He’s one of those fellows that’s about 2% bodyfat, all wiry and long, and I think that’s why he doesn’t "get" the I-feel-fat mentality. He does, however, comment daily on his appreciation of my round bottom. Hee, hee! Of course, show me a woman that really _believes_ a guy when he says she has a great butt and I’ll show you a woman with an XY chromosome. Lydia drumroll please<<<

145/!!139!!/126 — Lydia Ash                         /       I don’t want the world. http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~ash /

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Are mini-thins some commercial form of the ECA stack?  I’ve not heard of them.

Mini-thins (or mini-tabs) are a cheaper form of Primatene (Ephedrine and guaifenisen).  One minithin contains the same ingredients as one dose (2 tablets) of Primatene, and cost about half as much.  I think it cost me more than $4 for 40 Primatene (12.5mg) at WalMart, and I pay $5.99 or $6.99 for 60 (25mg) Mini-tabs, depending on where I pick them up. Although the label instructions are almost identical to Primatene, they are usually sold at the counters of truck stops for staying awake. (If anyone goes looking for them, be aware that there are both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine versions of mini-tabs, with almost identical labels.  Be sure to read the ingredients.) —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Ash) writes: He does, Rosie. He’s a doll and a half and I wouldn’t trade him for the _world_.

Ok the question is does he have any single brothers? Hey I had to try….. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.       ~~ Anonymous~~

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Well, Wummin, I don’t know about Mini-Thins, but I think they’re ephedrine, and if that’s the case, they won’t be OTC for long, as the FDA has declared it dangerous and it’s being pulled from shelves everywhere–at least if what I’ve heard in news reports is correct. It seems that people were abusing it, and several have died from overdoses (mostly kids, I think), and that’s why it’s being pulled. From what I understand, there are several products on the market, either through health food stores or independent distributors, that include ephedra and guarana, to help burn fat. I know that L-Carnitine also helps, and it’s one of the ones Dr. Atkins recommends taking, though I’m not sure if that’s the reason for it. Hope this helps. CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . Last night he found my bottle of Mini-Thins (they were just sitting out by the bed) and about went through the roof. I just don’t understand if something is  THAT bad for you…why is it OTC? IMO everything is "bad" for you if not taken in moderation. I used to take Phentermine and my boyfriend went "nuts."  However, he didn’t lecture me nor tell/ask me to stop.  He only proposed I asked a "real" doctor (i.e. family doctor/ OBGYN …someone I trusted).  I did that only because I felt he MAY be right, that he may be on to something.  I asked my family doctor and she absolutely refused to give me any such drug and explained the perks, both good and bad.  I stopped taking phentermine immediately. Now, I take this thermogenic "fat-burner" I bought from Puritan’s Pride (www.puritan.com), it has ephedra, guarana (caffeine) and I add a couple aspirin to the regimen.  Maybe, just maybe, he (your BF) wouldn’t object to such a "drug."  My boyfriend is ok with this (even if he wasn’t, isn’t this MY life, MY body?). Just a thought… Wummin~ Visit my homepage:  http://www.geocities.com/~wummin

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Jamie, One of the things that I had to do when I started low carbing was quit taking the particular antidepressant I was on, which was Parnate. Parnate is an MAOI, and is severely reactive to many of the things on the WOE, such as cheese, avocados, sour cream, just to name three. Some people are highly reactive to those, and some only mildly, while on the Parnate. However, the only way to determine if you’re highly reactive or not is if you have a stroke or heart attack when eating the prohibited foods while taking the drug. Fortunately, for me, I was able to switch to St. John’s Wort, and I’ve found that it’s working as well, and possibly better, as I’m able to get some of my weight off, which was causing as much depression as anything else. However, I’ll also bring up this caution:  ANYONE taking any kind of MAOI for depression (i.e., Parnate, Nardil, etc.), is at GRAVE RISK if they take any kind of med (whether herbal or OTC) containing pseudoephedrine or ephedrine. The combination *is* deadly. Though I’m not a doctor, nurse, pharmacist or dietician, I *did* take an MAOI for several years, and I’m very well versed on what causes adverse reactions when taken with the drug. So anyone taking an MAOI would be in jeopardy if they were stacking. CAT 248/237/135 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are mini-thins some commercial form of the ECA stack?  I’ve not heard of them. Mini-thins (or mini-tabs) are a cheaper form of Primatene (Ephedrine and guaifenisen).  One minithin contains the same ingredients as one dose (2 tablets) of Primatene, and cost about half as much.  I think it cost me more than $4 for 40 Primatene (12.5mg) at WalMart, and I pay $5.99 or $6.99 for 60 (25mg) Mini-tabs, depending on where I pick them up. Although the label instructions are almost identical to Primatene, they are usually sold at the counters of truck stops for staying awake. (If anyone goes looking for them, be aware that there are both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine versions of mini-tabs, with almost identical labels.  Be sure to read the ingredients.) —  "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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And MY question is does he have any single brothers over 40? LOL! CAT 248/237/135

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ash) writes: He does, Rosie. He’s a doll and a half and I wouldn’t trade him for the _world_. Ok the question is does he have any single brothers? Hey I had to try….. Tricia "Rae" 158/142/120 There is only one success – to be able to spend your life in your own way.      ~~ Anonymous~~

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However, I’ll also bring up this caution:  ANYONE taking any kind of MAOI for depression (i.e., Parnate, Nardil, etc.), is at GRAVE RISK if they take any kind of med (whether herbal or OTC) containing pseudoephedrine or ephedrine. The combination *is* deadly. Though I’m not a doctor, nurse, pharmacist or dietician, I *did* take an MAOI for several years, and I’m very well versed on what causes adverse reactions when taken with the drug. So anyone taking an MAOI would be in jeopardy if they were stacking.

Warnings against taking them if you are taking an MAO inhibitor is on the label of the OTC asthma products and the herbal stacks. Taking any OTC drug without reading the label could be hazardous to anyone’s health. Other conditions condraindicating the use of ephedrine/Ma Huang include diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, hyperthyroid and enlarged prostate. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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OZONE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ,purchase a austin air HEPA air cleaner with active coconut carbon and zeolite mixture find them and other allergy/asthma products at lowest prices at http://www.allergystore.com/

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writes: OZONE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ,purchase a austin air HEPA air cleaner with active coconut carbon and zeolite mixture find them and other allergy/asthma products at lowest prices at

http://www.allergystore.com/ The filters are $$$$ though. Buy an Enviroresearch Electronic air cleaner. They are ionizers with collectors, and some models never need filters, some are $6 a year!

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: : OZONE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ,purchase a austin air HEPA air cleaner : with : active coconut carbon and zeolite mixture find them and other : allergy/asthma products at lowest prices at : http://www.allergystore.com/ : The filters are $$$$ though. Buy an Enviroresearch Electronic air : cleaner. They are ionizers with collectors, and some models never need : filters, some are $6 a year! Umm, activated carbon is not that expensive.  Even a very large quantity of activated carbon will only cost of the order of $10.  Plus, the activated carbon will remove particles including ozone with some efficiency. Problem is… if the humidity is high enough, the activated carbon gets saturated with water and stops working .  Of course, having seen the Austin Air prices, I would suggest one talks to the industrial air-cleaning manufacturers first. Cheers, Kin Hoong

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