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ROFLMAO!! It’s like Borey’s greatest hits!!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barry Cohen "DONT THREATEN ME MISTER!" "dont give me your disabled veteran sob story to try to get brownie points from the public" "YOU JERK!" "Your A JERK!!" "Your such a jerk" "Your really a JERK" "you are a stupid jerk" "BIG JERK and a trouble maker!" "Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to be right in everything you say!" "There are so many jerks out here in cyber world. LET IT BE KNOWN PEOPLE AND CYBER JERKS" "Im sure that an idiot like you would tell them to pump themselves up with meds right from the start in every case to reduce their allergic reactions.Why dont you go swallow a bottle of each and mind your own business. If you can add your opinion without being a jerk, feel free to join in." "Your just a idiot!" "because of the stupid report that was in the magazine" "Its amazing how stupid people can be ,even trained healthcare workers." "your stupidity has no limits. FOOL!" "Reading his stupid comments every day just got to me yesterday and I lowered myself to his level." "Keep trying TURKEY!!" "you are delusional" "See a shrink,Mabe you can still be saved!" "This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each vent opening" "Your so thick headed and narrow minded" "Your a liar and a scam!" "Your lies and cheap talk wont help you" "Your lying remarks also help to fuel my enthusiasm ." "More of your cheap lies." "Because the more lies you post on the newsgroups the less people will listen to you. Then you will just be talking to yourself, looking like a fool." "the company, like you, are a bunch of liars" "Your Bad Service and Lies are even worse." "Circumstantial evidence my ass!!!" "And so does your BULL CRAP!!!" "BS BS BS all the way." "I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch of glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because they took in a big breathe of fresh ozone after a thunderstorm happened outside" "But if you think that these low power machines will burn out your lungs or will cause your pecker to fall off Please dont try one out!!I know of a great buy on a bridge in brooklyn NY. that you may want to invest in instead of buying a air purifier." "The ozone produced from the lighting will burn out your lungs and melt you from the inside out and turn you into a glob of ozonated goo!" "Sounds like we have a few hard core oil huffers and snorters here!!! Next thing Ill here from you is Try some gas or glue It will cure your allergies!!! and open those airways right up" "Dont buy from national allergy supply. I dont care for the owner hes a SOB." "You could pee across the the vacuum stream of such a weak piece of junk" "Dont give me your bull" "I dont have to take your BS or anyone else’s and I wont!" "the factory people in denmark are narrow minded" "Your not to bright, are you" "You are acting like a fool and It takes away the little credibility that you may still have!" "When the fat lady sings I hope that you will shut your yapper!" "You make your company and yourself look bad loosing credibility every time you lie in your posts!" "So why dont you crawl back under the rock that you came from ,you slug!" "Take a hike!" Barry Cohen
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: As a youngster I did some time in an oxygen tent. Because of the water : we breathe out I don’ think you’ll find lack of humidity a problem, but : maybe the excess. It was with me. They kept putting ice in there to : cool and dry it.—jack I am not worried about in a tent but running off a mask in a car I will need some humidity. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger :
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: http://www.aircleaners.com here. Just for the record Couger, Most : electrostatic air cleaners are for A/C and heating systems. They fit into : the air return area of the system. They are only good to have if the air : handler and the duct work has been properly cleaned out first. These types : of filters will only help to keep the air system from getting dirty. They : are mostly for preventive maintnence. The self charging types do not produce : any ozone. The ones that are electrically charged do produce uncontrollable : amounts of ozone. The most common brands are made by Honeywell { One of : Colons Favorite Brands } and by Trion. These air filters are only efficient : for a very short peroid of time, because as soon as a light coating of dust : attaches to the units metal gridwork, the rest of the dust will quickly : start to pass right through the air filter and back into the indoor : environment along with the ozone that is produced by the dust arching on the : metal gridwork as it passes through the gridwork itsself. These filter types : are not a good substitute compared to a quality HEPA air cleaner that will : clean the air through the HEPA air cleaners air filter in a bedroom size : area at aprox 15-17 air exchanges per hour. For a smoking area.a quality : radio ionizer air purifier will clean the smoke out of the air in a smoking : environment much faster and better then the electrostatic types as well. I was addressing active or charged electrostatic air cleaners. I have the passive electrostatic filter in my return air vents. I need to set up an experiment to see how efficient that they are. They seem to be pretty good. A loop of Scotch Tape on the inside and the outside for a couple of days and a look under a darkfield microscope will tell the tale real quick. The only practical solution for a smoking environment is to either take up smoking or leave. It only took me 15 years after I quit smoking to quit wanting one every time one lit up:{ Smoking bothers my wife and I never smoked in the house. Anyone that has someone wiht allergies, asthma or CF and smokes in the house should be smothered once a day until they pass out to see how it feels. I did not have very good luck wiht room air cleaners since the heating and A/C was over power them. If I lived some place that had more that 6 weeks between summer and winter they would probably be more useful. I did just pick up an industrial electrostatic air cleaner to see how they work. For 10 bucks I can always use the high voltage power supply. Air cleaning in homes is a complicated problem. It is difficult to tell which is worse the outside air or the inside air. In my case particulate, dust, pollen and such are only a part of the problem. I have industrial asthma and almost anything with any scent triggers my asthma. I have not found any air cleaner that have enough activated carbon to really do any good for more than a day or two. In another post I tell about a portable air cleaner I am building mainly to clean up the air on the highways enough that I am not sick went I get where I am going. I try to stay out of the air cleaner wars. The passive electrostatic air cleaners won’t get much if any smoke it takes higher charges to get smoke for some reason ozone will do it but the cure is as bad that the smoke if the levels are high enough to work. Ozone bothered me long before I had asthma. I don’t think any unit made for home use will really do much for smoke for the same reasons a room unit wouldn’t do much for me until I got the ducts cleaned and the filters on the air handler. You need to get all the air in the air handler. I realize my comments were rather short. I will try to be civil in the future. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger
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As a youngster I did some time in an oxygen tent. Because of the water we breathe out I don’ think you’ll find lack of humidity a problem, but maybe the excess. It was with me. They kept putting ice in there to cool and dry it.—jack
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Activated charcoal is very good at getting smoke and odors. It can be recharged by baking.
Very interesting. How do you do that? What temperature? How long? How many times can you do this before it needs replacing? Sneezy
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Can anyone tell me,the difference between a ozone generator,and a u.v. light ? Are they the same? Thanks
An ozone generator is a device that produces ozone, a UV light is a device that produces light in the ultraviolet frequencies. Now what happens is since UV light carries more energy that normal light (I know I’m fudging the physics here but I’m trying to keep it simple) the light can create ozone. There is no ‘Army of One’ in the word: ‘Team’
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: : Can anyone tell me,the difference between a : ozone generator,and a u.v. light ? Are they the same? Thanks : : An ozone generator is a device that produces ozone, a UV light is a : device that produces light in the ultraviolet frequencies. : : Now what happens is since UV light carries more energy that normal : light (I know I’m fudging the physics here but I’m trying to keep it : simple) the light can create ozone. It depend on the spectra (the frequency or range) of the UV light if it generates ozone or not. A broad spectrum bulb will generate a bunch of ozone. There are UV bulbs that generate almost no ozone. If I was looking for an inexpensive way to generate ozone a broad spectrum UV bulb would be my first choice it is a lot cheaper that high voltage. But the high voltage is needed to generate the ions for an electrostatic air cleaner that is very likely to make ozone as a side effect. Again an electrostatic air cleaner can be built so they don’t make much ozone but it is not easy. Electrostatic air cleaners are used to drop particulate in industrial uses. They are very good at getting smoke as well. The smoke is much better solved by not letting it in the house. Activated charcoal is very good at getting smoke and odors. It can be recharged by baking. But you need an oven out side or you will just put all the stuff back in the house. I am building a HEPA filter followed by a activated charcoal canister and then a humidifier and running it to a mask or tent for use in a car or hostile motel rooms. I can’t find a bubble so I am going to build the damn thing. I am tired of being held hostage to a world that stinks. I don’t care if people stare I am going to breath clean air. The humidifier is the problem. It will require good hygiene to keep molds and bacteria. I will make it of copper and if that causes problems silver plate it. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other reason than it was a fire hazard After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work before it would return. It takes at least 15 minutes for ozone to be depleted. Until then it will damage anything that can be affected by oxidization. In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on the good air quality. What measurement techniques are you using to determine if the indoor ozone levels are within safe limits? Hint: Ozone is incapable of ‘cleaning the air; in concentrations that are not known to be hazardous to humans. And why are you using a an ozone generator instead of a product such as an electrostatic filter? In my case, the results have been spectacular. You are gambling with your life and health. _Maybe_ you got lucky this time, but the next person may not. Especially when there are products available that are both safer and more effective than ozone generators. Allen There is no ‘Army of One’ in the word: ‘Team’
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Not that its any of your business, but I am happy to let you know that our jg account is up and doing just fine.
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My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other reason than it was a fire hazard After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work before it would return.
It takes at least 15 minutes for ozone to be depleted. Until then it will damage anything that can be affected by oxidization. In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on the good air quality.
What measurement techniques are you using to determine if the indoor ozone levels are within safe limits? Hint: Ozone is incapable of ‘cleaning the air; in concentrations that are not known to be hazardous to humans. And why are you using a an ozone generator instead of a product such as an electrostatic filter? In my case, the results have been spectacular.
You are gambling with your life and health. _Maybe_ you got lucky this time, but the next person may not. Especially when there are products available that are both safer and more effective than ozone generators. Allen
There is no ‘Army of One’ in the word: ‘Team’
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Can anyone tell me,the difference between a ozone generator,and a u.v. light ? Are they the same? Thanks Carl
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http://www.aircleaners.com here. Just for the record Couger, Most electrostatic air cleaners are for A/C and heating systems. They fit into the air return area of the system. They are only good to have if the air handler and the duct work has been properly cleaned out first. These types of filters will only help to keep the air system from getting dirty. They are mostly for preventive maintnence. The self charging types do not produce any ozone. The ones that are electrically charged do produce uncontrollable amounts of ozone. The most common brands are made by Honeywell { One of Colons Favorite Brands } and by Trion. These air filters are only efficient for a very short peroid of time, because as soon as a light coating of dust attaches to the units metal gridwork, the rest of the dust will quickly start to pass right through the air filter and back into the indoor environment along with the ozone that is produced by the dust arching on the metal gridwork as it passes through the gridwork itsself. These filter types are not a good substitute compared to a quality HEPA air cleaner that will clean the air through the HEPA air cleaners air filter in a bedroom size area at aprox 15-17 air exchanges per hour. For a smoking area.a quality radio ionizer air purifier will clean the smoke out of the air in a smoking environment much faster and better then the electrostatic types as well. Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I became asthmatic in 1993. I’m 45, and am under reasonable control with : Singulair. : : Second hand cigarette smoke is a significant problem for me and I avoid it : at all costs. I don’t patronize smoking businesses. I became interested in : ozone generators when I walked through the front door of a business and : found two employees smoking behind the parts counter. I did an about face, : and walked out the door. Once outside though, I realized that I did not : smell any smoke nor feel the effects from it. I really did need to pick up : the parts I wanted and I was curious why the smoke didn’t bother me. I : ventured back inside, and despite the smokers I did not feel any ill : effects, although I did smell ozone. I purchased the parts and discussed my : observations. They showed me the ozone generators they sold. I picked up : some literature, recoiled from the prices, and left. : : Over the next few years I read numerous articles and decided that the : negative effects of an ozone generator outweighed the questionable benefits. : The subject was relegated to a back burner until two years ago when a new : tenant moved into my office building. They had about 12 employees, all : smokers. They voted to make it a smoking office. The common airspace above : our respective ceilings resulted in my office being labeled "Second Hand : Smoking Lounge." There were weeks at a time I could not work in my own : office. At times I worked on a laptop computer in my car, with phone and : network cables extended to the parking lot. Negotiations with the tenant : and property manager were not successful in solving the problem. : : My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone : generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the : smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The : homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other : reason than it was a fire hazard : : Based on the fact that the temporary ozone generator in the ceiling had : helped I decided to buy a unit. I didn’t have a choice. I purchased a used : Eagle 5000, and placed it above the ceiling. This unit is much bigger than : I needed, but the used price was better than the new price of a smaller : unit. There was a significant reduction of cigarette smoke levels in my : office. There was from time to time the smell of ozone in my office, but : overall, my situation was much improved. I was concerned about the effects : of ozone, but at this point, it was the lesser of two evils. : : Eventually, other efforts solved the smoke problem, so I took the ozone : generator home. Then I got a new neighbor who burns wood, coal, garbage, : and who knows what else, in his fireplace. This mixture infiltrated my : home and is an asthma trigger for both my wife and myself. We were both : miserable in our own home. Thoughts again turned to the ozone generator. : However, we found that even on the lowest setting the ozone triggered my : wife’s asthma, and on slightly higher settings, mine. : : After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be : effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space : after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down : quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator : into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all : the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed : the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone : would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work : before it would return. : : In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit : is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the : air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better : than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on : the good air quality. : : In my case, the results have been spectacular. : : Allen I would look at electrostatic air cleaners. I believe that properly made ones do not generate ozone. You will not find any form any one advertising on this group. I would make sure that there was no ozone output from the air cleaner. Ozone and asthma are not good matches. Ozone is a strong irritant and oxidizer that directly damages tissue. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger
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I became asthmatic in 1993. I’m 45, and am under reasonable control with Singulair. Second hand cigarette smoke is a significant problem for me and I avoid it at all costs. I don’t patronize smoking businesses. I became interested in ozone generators when I walked through the front door of a business and found two employees smoking behind the parts counter. I did an about face, and walked out the door. Once outside though, I realized that I did not smell any smoke nor feel the effects from it. I really did need to pick up the parts I wanted and I was curious why the smoke didn’t bother me. I ventured back inside, and despite the smokers I did not feel any ill effects, although I did smell ozone. I purchased the parts and discussed my observations. They showed me the ozone generators they sold. I picked up some literature, recoiled from the prices, and left. Over the next few years I read numerous articles and decided that the negative effects of an ozone generator outweighed the questionable benefits. The subject was relegated to a back burner until two years ago when a new tenant moved into my office building. They had about 12 employees, all smokers. They voted to make it a smoking office. The common airspace above our respective ceilings resulted in my office being labeled "Second Hand Smoking Lounge." There were weeks at a time I could not work in my own office. At times I worked on a laptop computer in my car, with phone and network cables extended to the parking lot. Negotiations with the tenant and property manager were not successful in solving the problem. My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other reason than it was a fire hazard Based on the fact that the temporary ozone generator in the ceiling had helped I decided to buy a unit. I didn’t have a choice. I purchased a used Eagle 5000, and placed it above the ceiling. This unit is much bigger than I needed, but the used price was better than the new price of a smaller unit. There was a significant reduction of cigarette smoke levels in my office. There was from time to time the smell of ozone in my office, but overall, my situation was much improved. I was concerned about the effects of ozone, but at this point, it was the lesser of two evils. Eventually, other efforts solved the smoke problem, so I took the ozone generator home. Then I got a new neighbor who burns wood, coal, garbage, and who knows what else, in his fireplace. This mixture infiltrated my home and is an asthma trigger for both my wife and myself. We were both miserable in our own home. Thoughts again turned to the ozone generator. However, we found that even on the lowest setting the ozone triggered my wife’s asthma, and on slightly higher settings, mine. After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work before it would return. In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on the good air quality. In my case, the results have been spectacular. Allen
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http://www.aircleaners.com here.Not that its any of your business, but I am happy to let you know that our jg account is up and doing just fine. We have never ever lost our ISP because we never spew any spam. Our main purpose is to provide quality answers to other posters questions. We took on our starband satellite purely for its great fast connection speed. This saves us alot of time in our allergy products business because we are online 24 hours a day. We now only use our jg dial up acount only when we have heavy overcast days that block our satellite signal. The satellite is far better for us out here in the beautiful high country of Colorado because the phone lines go down often in the winter and when we have wet spring snow conditions. So you can post all the garbage and lies that you want to because the jokes on you. This is america and if you do not agree with our posts, TOO BAD ! Your welcome to post what you want to, its just too bad that when you do, you make yourself look like a fool. Your stupid actions only show everyone in the newsgroup what a fool you are. This goes for your little group of buddies as well. Everytime you post your negitive hash into the newsgroup, the readers see our website link and they click into our website to check out our great products and prices.{ Many Become Our Happy Customers }. So keep it coming because your posts only serve us by bringing more customers into our great business.Why would we even consider spamming the newsgroups when we have nuts like you to do it for us ! Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have sold hundreds of Alpine air purifiers with great results for our customers. Barium Enema abuse lost his gj.net account Opinion Complain: "DONT THREATEN ME MISTER!" "dont give me your disabled veteran sob story to try to get brownie points from the public" "YOU JERK!" "Your A JERK!!" "Your such a jerk" "Your really a JERK" "you are a stupid jerk" "BIG JERK and a trouble maker!" "Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to be right in everything you say!" "There are so many jerks out here in cyber world. LET IT BE KNOWN PEOPLE AND CYBER JERKS" "Im sure that an idiot like you would tell them to pump themselves up with meds right from the start in every case to reduce their allergic reactions.Why dont you go swallow a bottle of each and mind your own business. If you can add your opinion without being a jerk, feel free to join in." "Your just a idiot!" "because of the stupid report that was in the magazine" "Its amazing how stupid people can be ,even trained healthcare workers." "your stupidity has no limits. FOOL!" "Reading his stupid comments every day just got to me yesterday and I lowered myself to his level." "Keep trying TURKEY!!" "you are delusional" "See a shrink,Mabe you can still be saved!" "This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each vent opening" "Your so thick headed and narrow minded" "Your a liar and a scam!" "Your lies and cheap talk wont help you" "Your lying remarks also help to fuel my enthusiasm ." "More of your cheap lies." "Because the more lies you post on the newsgroups the less people will listen to you. Then you will just be talking to yourself, looking like a fool." "the company, like you, are a bunch of liars" "Your Bad Service and Lies are even worse." "Circumstantial evidence my ass!!!" "And so does your BULL CRAP!!!" "BS BS BS all the way." "I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch of glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because they took in a big breathe of fresh ozone after a thunderstorm happened outside" "But if you think that these low power machines will burn out your lungs or will cause your pecker to fall off Please dont try one out!!I know of a great buy on a bridge in brooklyn NY. that you may want to invest in instead of buying a air purifier." "The ozone produced from the lighting will burn out your lungs and melt you from the inside out and turn you into a glob of ozonated goo!" "Sounds like we have a few hard core oil huffers and snorters here!!! Next thing Ill here from you is Try some gas or glue It will cure your allergies!!! and open those airways right up" "Dont buy from national allergy supply. I dont care for the owner hes a SOB." "You could pee across the the vacuum stream of such a weak piece of junk" "Dont give me your bull" "I dont have to take your BS or anyone else’s and I wont!" "the factory people in denmark are narrow minded" "Your not to bright, are you" "You are acting like a fool and It takes away the little credibility that you may still have!" "When the fat lady sings I hope that you will shut your yapper!" "You make your company and yourself look bad loosing credibility every time you lie in your posts!" "So why dont you crawl back under the rock that you came from ,you slug!" "Take a hike!" Opinion Complain: Barium Enema’s a PUTZ that thinks that he’s an expert about everything.
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We have sold hundreds of Alpine air purifiers with great results for our customers.
Barium Enema abuse lost his gj.net account Opinion Complain: "DONT THREATEN ME MISTER!" "dont give me your disabled veteran sob story to try to get brownie points from the public" "YOU JERK!" "Your A JERK!!" "Your such a jerk" "Your really a JERK" "you are a stupid jerk" "BIG JERK and a trouble maker!" "Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to be right in everything you say!" "There are so many jerks out here in cyber world. LET IT BE KNOWN PEOPLE AND CYBER JERKS" "Im sure that an idiot like you would tell them to pump themselves up with meds right from the start in every case to reduce their allergic reactions.Why dont you go swallow a bottle of each and mind your own business. If you can add your opinion without being a jerk, feel free to join in." "Your just a idiot!" "because of the stupid report that was in the magazine" "Its amazing how stupid people can be ,even trained healthcare workers." "your stupidity has no limits. FOOL!" "Reading his stupid comments every day just got to me yesterday and I lowered myself to his level." "Keep trying TURKEY!!" "you are delusional" "See a shrink,Mabe you can still be saved!" "This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each vent opening" "Your so thick headed and narrow minded" "Your a liar and a scam!" "Your lies and cheap talk wont help you" "Your lying remarks also help to fuel my enthusiasm ." "More of your cheap lies." "Because the more lies you post on the newsgroups the less people will listen to you. Then you will just be talking to yourself, looking like a fool." "the company, like you, are a bunch of liars" "Your Bad Service and Lies are even worse." "Circumstantial evidence my ass!!!" "And so does your BULL CRAP!!!" "BS BS BS all the way." "I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch of glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because they took in a big breathe of fresh ozone after a thunderstorm happened outside" "But if you think that these low power machines will burn out your lungs or will cause your pecker to fall off Please dont try one out!!I know of a great buy on a bridge in brooklyn NY. that you may want to invest in instead of buying a air purifier." "The ozone produced from the lighting will burn out your lungs and melt you from the inside out and turn you into a glob of ozonated goo!" "Sounds like we have a few hard core oil huffers and snorters here!!! Next thing Ill here from you is Try some gas or glue It will cure your allergies!!! and open those airways right up" "Dont buy from national allergy supply. I dont care for the owner hes a SOB." "You could pee across the the vacuum stream of such a weak piece of junk" "Dont give me your bull" "I dont have to take your BS or anyone else’s and I wont!" "the factory people in denmark are narrow minded" "Your not to bright, are you" "You are acting like a fool and It takes away the little credibility that you may still have!" "When the fat lady sings I hope that you will shut your yapper!" "You make your company and yourself look bad loosing credibility every time you lie in your posts!" "So why dont you crawl back under the rock that you came from ,you slug!" "Take a hike!" Opinion Complain: Barium Enema’s a PUTZ that thinks that he’s an expert about everything.
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: : I became asthmatic in 1993. I’m 45, and am under reasonable control with : Singulair. : : Second hand cigarette smoke is a significant problem for me and I avoid it : at all costs. I don’t patronize smoking businesses. I became interested in : ozone generators when I walked through the front door of a business and : found two employees smoking behind the parts counter. I did an about face, : and walked out the door. Once outside though, I realized that I did not : smell any smoke nor feel the effects from it. I really did need to pick up : the parts I wanted and I was curious why the smoke didn’t bother me. I : ventured back inside, and despite the smokers I did not feel any ill : effects, although I did smell ozone. I purchased the parts and discussed my : observations. They showed me the ozone generators they sold. I picked up : some literature, recoiled from the prices, and left. : : Over the next few years I read numerous articles and decided that the : negative effects of an ozone generator outweighed the questionable benefits. : The subject was relegated to a back burner until two years ago when a new : tenant moved into my office building. They had about 12 employees, all : smokers. They voted to make it a smoking office. The common airspace above : our respective ceilings resulted in my office being labeled "Second Hand : Smoking Lounge." There were weeks at a time I could not work in my own : office. At times I worked on a laptop computer in my car, with phone and : network cables extended to the parking lot. Negotiations with the tenant : and property manager were not successful in solving the problem. : : My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone : generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the : smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The : homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other : reason than it was a fire hazard : : Based on the fact that the temporary ozone generator in the ceiling had : helped I decided to buy a unit. I didn’t have a choice. I purchased a used : Eagle 5000, and placed it above the ceiling. This unit is much bigger than : I needed, but the used price was better than the new price of a smaller : unit. There was a significant reduction of cigarette smoke levels in my : office. There was from time to time the smell of ozone in my office, but : overall, my situation was much improved. I was concerned about the effects : of ozone, but at this point, it was the lesser of two evils. : : Eventually, other efforts solved the smoke problem, so I took the ozone : generator home. Then I got a new neighbor who burns wood, coal, garbage, : and who knows what else, in his fireplace. This mixture infiltrated my : home and is an asthma trigger for both my wife and myself. We were both : miserable in our own home. Thoughts again turned to the ozone generator. : However, we found that even on the lowest setting the ozone triggered my : wife’s asthma, and on slightly higher settings, mine. : : After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be : effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space : after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down : quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator : into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all : the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed : the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone : would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work : before it would return. : : In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit : is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the : air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better : than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on : the good air quality. : : In my case, the results have been spectacular. : : Allen I would look at electrostatic air cleaners. I believe that properly made ones do not generate ozone. You will not find any form any one advertising on this group. I would make sure that there was no ozone output from the air cleaner. Ozone and asthma are not good matches. Ozone is a strong irritant and oxidizer that directly damages tissue. — Gordon W5RED www.couger.com/gcouger
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Dont worry about COLON, He’s a PUTZ that thinks that he’s an expert about everything. Believe me he’s not !
Barry is, of course, a proven liar and quite capable of insisting that the Moon is made of green cheese and that anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot — eric "live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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http://www.aircleaners.com here. We have sold hundreds of Alpine air purifiers with great results for our customers. There is one thing that I must correct for you. Its is the negitive ionizer in your air purifier that is quickly knocking down the smoke in your home and office, not the ozone. The ozone will help to rid the smoke odors as well as other types of odors. The ozone must be turned down to a low setting in a smaller area or it must be placed into a large area in order to dilute the ozone down to a low level. If the unit is turned up to high it may dry out your mucus membranes a bit.Iiif this happens, just turn it down. Its nice to hear from people that have positive reports about how great their air purifiers work . Signature To Chat With A LIVE Sales Person { NOW ! } Click On The Box To The Right Add the HumanClick "Click to Chat" button to your own e-mails for free at www.humanclick.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I became asthmatic in 1993. I’m 45, and am under reasonable control with Singulair. Second hand cigarette smoke is a significant problem for me and I avoid it at all costs. I don’t patronize smoking businesses. I became interested in ozone generators when I walked through the front door of a business and found two employees smoking behind the parts counter. I did an about face, and walked out the door. Once outside though, I realized that I did not smell any smoke nor feel the effects from it. I really did need to pick up the parts I wanted and I was curious why the smoke didn’t bother me. I ventured back inside, and despite the smokers I did not feel any ill effects, although I did smell ozone. I purchased the parts and discussed my observations. They showed me the ozone generators they sold. I picked up some literature, recoiled from the prices, and left. Over the next few years I read numerous articles and decided that the negative effects of an ozone generator outweighed the questionable benefits. The subject was relegated to a back burner until two years ago when a new tenant moved into my office building. They had about 12 employees, all smokers. They voted to make it a smoking office. The common airspace above our respective ceilings resulted in my office being labeled "Second Hand Smoking Lounge." There were weeks at a time I could not work in my own office. At times I worked on a laptop computer in my car, with phone and network cables extended to the parking lot. Negotiations with the tenant and property manager were not successful in solving the problem. My thoughts again turned to ozone generators. I placed a homebuilt ozone generator above the ceiling tile in my office. I hoped to mitigate the smoke before it got into my office. It worked reasonably well. The homebuilt ozone generator was not a long term solution, if for no other reason than it was a fire hazard Based on the fact that the temporary ozone generator in the ceiling had helped I decided to buy a unit. I didn’t have a choice. I purchased a used Eagle 5000, and placed it above the ceiling. This unit is much bigger than I needed, but the used price was better than the new price of a smaller unit. There was a significant reduction of cigarette smoke levels in my office. There was from time to time the smell of ozone in my office, but overall, my situation was much improved. I was concerned about the effects of ozone, but at this point, it was the lesser of two evils. Eventually, other efforts solved the smoke problem, so I took the ozone generator home. Then I got a new neighbor who burns wood, coal, garbage, and who knows what else, in his fireplace. This mixture infiltrated my home and is an asthma trigger for both my wife and myself. We were both miserable in our own home. Thoughts again turned to the ozone generator. However, we found that even on the lowest setting the ozone triggered my wife’s asthma, and on slightly higher settings, mine. After the experience at my office, I was convinced the unit could be effective if used correctly. But how to keep the ozone out of our air space after it had done its job? After much thought and knowing ozone breaks down quickly, I hit upon the idea of directing the output of the ozone generator into the cold air return of the furnace. I leave the furnace blower on all the time during the winter to circulate air to the farthest rooms. I placed the unit at the farthest cold air inlet from the furnace. I hoped the ozone would do its job removing smoke particles and break down in the duct work before it would return. In my situation, it has worked better than I could have imagined. The unit is set for the lowest ozone output. There is not a hint of ozone in the air. When returning home the air inside the house is considerably better than outdoor air. Visitors to our home have even spontaneously remarked on the good air quality. In my case, the results have been spectacular. Allen
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