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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Both or all – triggers, satisfaction and envir/psycho…. I ate too much last night. Oh, I did not exceed my points but even five minutes before bed I was still hitting the dried mango and Miss Meringue! This is exactly how I am feeling tonite … like I ate too much, yet have not exceeded my points. The problem lies more in *what I ate*. Quick, carry in dinner from a spot that really has nothing to offer other than heavy, fat laden fast foods (italian beef, sausage, etc) – but dh has been crying for a pepper and egg sandwich for a few weeks now .. and I decided to be a good sport. Dinner did not seem to satisfy me. I successfully denied the pie offer, but am still battling those munchies – which so far have only included 6 mini meringues. Where do you find the dried mango? I haven’t seen it around here and it sounds yummy! Costco has the dried mango but some natural food stores also sell it and maybe I’ve seen it at Trader Joes??? Oh, sausage does sound good. There’s an Italian restaurant by work which makes this incredible open face sausage sandwich covered by a terrific, thick tomato sauce and three kinds of thick gloppy melted cheeses. See I’m not quite "healed" yet! The sandwich has to be 30-40 points. Altho, even before the diet, ahem, WW began, I was taking about half of it home. Still, not a slimmy lunch by any means.
I found some at Trader Joe’s but didn’t pick it up … this trip. The store was ridiculously crowded and dh was getting antsy – kind of takes the fun out of shopping. Have you tried the chicken italian sausage from Trader Joe’s? If I recall correctly it was something like 90 calories per link and very little fat, came in several different flavor varieties. We tried the italian flavor, couldn’t taste the difference from the regular stuff. It has become a staple in our house (I love sausage and peppers). I think we all have some food items that will always call out to us (remember me and my onion rings?) – learning that we can have them, but have to give on something else is the trick. We CAN do this! This Italian restaurant the kids chose serves family style, suggests ordering entrees and sharing. Last time we went, we ordered 3 entrees and 1 salad for 8 people … took home more than half of everything (I sent it home with eldest daughter). It is definitely a place that I would not attempt to venture to without a larger group of people – much too dangerous for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Maybe what we consider "dangerous latitude" is what "normal" weight people just innately do or how they react to food. They turn their attention elsewhere. They do it naturally we need to be conscious of it. I don’t have to face maintenance just yet. Weeks or maybe months away. This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense. She’ll take out a box of bagel bite things, and fix herself 2 or 3. Me? Give me the whole box or forget it! I don’t think I was ever like her and have no idea where she got it from. My logic is that if I don’t ever stop trying to *lose* weight, then I don’t have to worry about maintenance – right? Backwards thinking, but I am still running scared. On the way home from the ski trip we were discussing weight and foods. My friend is becoming a real healthy food NUT! But we were trying to define why we crave certain items and whether it is natural (genetic) or learned or what. Since my sister seems like your daughter, I figure it is not learned/environmental. We were pretty much raised in the same environment (she’s 3 years younger). She’s maybe 100 pounds and always has been very thin at 5′5" So I figure genetics plays a role. So we have to fight some innate/inherent weight mechanism???
I definitely think it is a genetic thing. My youngest daughter and son have had the same meals served to them for the past 15 years – yet my sons tastes/desires tend to run toward the junk food/fast food items (chips, chips and more chips) and meat/potatoes. My daughter detests fast food and leans more heavily towards the vegetables and salsa. She eats very little in the form of potatoes/starchy foods or meat, and keeps portions well under control. This is not something that she learned by example … not in this house anyway. My mom always teased my dad over sardines. She hated fish in any form and he loved it and particularly smelly sardines (I do those also for breakfast before longer hikes/ski trips) but would dutiful open them, dice onion and make him a sandwich. Ahhhhhhhhh, she is a much better woman than me! I don’t humor the old man, I don’t fix his sardines or herring … if he wants them, he has to deal with them. <G It works in reverse also – he refuses to touch a jar of mayo or anything that has it in it. <G I have never been much of a mayo person either. I never did spread it on bread – maybe it was in the tuna sandwich but now that I prepare that stuff (and even for years), I just ate the tuna straight.
He’s a straight tuna guy also, I have to have something to make it *wet*. LOL I do adore tuna salad, but so far have avoided it. One of these days I’ll mess around and figure out a friendlier version that I can enjoy. I do weigh only meats/casseroles, shredded cheese, things like that. Guess it’s those higher calorie items that I want to make sure I am figuring correctly. It always comes right back to that portion control issue, and I am overly fearful of how fast that could possibly get away from me if I allow it. Fruits, veggies and such – I just pile ‘em on and take a point or two. Rice and potatoes I’m pretty good at eyeballing. I’m not doing much rice but have been eyeballing the kasha. It makes 3-something cups and I divide it roughly. Again, like folks say – you did not get here eating too many vegetables, One spoonful extra or less of rice, kasha or even mashed potatoes will not kill a ‘diet’ or WW plan. It is the cups of the stuff extra that did it and would again. Clearly, as I get closer to goal maybe that spoonful will be my stumbling block but I will just walk a bit further at the mall.
I’m not convinced that the one spoonful is going to make or break us … it’s those half cups that are the killer. <G I have learned to remove my plate immediately from the table when I am through. As a family, we tend to sit at the table and talk for quite a bit after dinner – something I really don’t want to discourage. But … that is the period that has done me in in the past, the continuous extra *bites* that are sitting in front of me. By removing my plate, I remove the suggestion that I want or need more. I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. I noticed in the trader joes flyer they now are offering something called baked potato sticks. Not sure exactly what they are, but thought I would check them out tomorrow. Might be a nice option when looking for *chips* That’s what I’m trying NOT to do. Try adding too much to overcome what I’ve cut out. I think I did that a few years ago with FF cookies. Trader Joes was giving out BAGS of free potato chips the other day. The woman before me got about 10 bags. When it was my turn, he asked and I said NO. He looked at me and I said, okay, two bags but they are already put away for a future trip. I need to resist the old pulls (G)
Well dang, I missed the freebies! <G I won’t tell you then that those potato sticks were good … or at least I thought so. Kind of had that styrofoam type appearance, but at least had a *real* flavor to them. I guess I can get away with them since they aren’t a trigger food for me. Keep those chocolate chip cookies out of my house though! Joyce — started ww 2/5/02 — 228.8/145.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 — LIFETIME 4/4/03 NAFC website can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaw179/
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I definitely think it is a genetic thing. My youngest daughter and son have had the same meals served to them for the past 15 years – yet my sons tastes/desires tend to run toward the junk food/fast food items (chips, chips and more chips) and meat/potatoes. My daughter detests fast food and leans more heavily towards the vegetables and salsa. She eats very little in the form of potatoes/starchy foods or meat, and keeps portions well under control. This is not something that she learned by example … not in this house anyway.
I agree about the genetics thing. My daughters are twins (fraternal, not identical) and thus had the same foods served to them from Day One. Neither one of them had any foods containing refined sugar or refined flour or chocolate until they were two years old. One daughter never did acquire a taste for chocolate until a couple of years ago after her baby was born. The other craves chocolate every time her TOM came around. One daughter prefers fruits and vegetables, the other goes for breads. Both of them experienced periods of lactose intolerance, one daughter from infancy to high school; the other daughter from 3rd grade to high school. I didn’t develop my lactose intolerance until I was in my 40s. I think it’s because of these differences that I observed in my children that I came to realize some things really are genetic and not indicators of character. Of course, applying that realization to real life is another matter. [g] — Prairie Roots 232/214/10% 209/157 ==
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This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense. She’ll take out a box of bagel bite things, and fix herself 2 or 3. Me? Give me the whole box or forget it! I don’t think I was ever like her and have no idea where she got it from. My logic is that if I don’t ever stop trying to *lose* weight, then I don’t have to worry about maintenance – right? Backwards thinking, but I am still running scared.
Both of my DDs fit your daughter’s profile: They just stop eating when they’ve had enough. I remember one time when one of my girls requested a special dinner. Special requests from either of them were a rare occurrence so I happily indulged her. We sat down to eat, she filled her plate, and after eating barely 1/4 of what she’d served herself, she pushed her plate away and said she was done. A minute later, her sister did the same. What do you mean, you’re done? I asked. Didn’t you like it? They both assured me the food was delicious. Then how can you not eat it? I wondered. I got the most curious answer: I’m not hungry anymore. And then I asked the defining question: What does feeling hungry have to do with it? I got blank stares in return. They truly did not know what I was asking them. And I truly did not understand how they could push away their favorite food before they were so stuffed they could hardly stand up afterwards. — Prairie Roots 232/214/10% 209/157 ==
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Hi Joyce, This is exactly how I am feeling tonite … like I ate too much, yet have not exceeded my points. If you’ve been eating very low-fat for a while, your body can have a bit of trouble digesting fat again. Which is a good thing, probably. Likewise, if you haven’t eaten a lot of dairy foods for a while, or if you haven’t eaten a lot of sugary foods. You body adapts to the diet you’ve been giving it and doesn’t always react so well to sudden change. So, either the food sits there in your stomach for hours, waiting to get digested, or it rushes right through and you aren’t satisfied.
Hehehe – I’ve had a good amount of experience in both those departments, can’t say I enjoy either one of them though. <G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense. There’s a couple of things probably going on here. Firstly, some people simply have a better "appetite feed-back loop" which switches off hunger as soon as they’ve had enough (just like some people are better at maths, or some people are more athletic). If a person doesn’t grow up in the kind of environment where food was pushed on them even when they were full (you know, "Clean your plate" and "Just one more…" syndrome), they can be like this for life, and hence never get over- weight (lucky beggars!).
Thanks for the info, I find it very interesting! Maybe I have helped her develop these eating skills without even knowing it. I have never played the *clean your plate* game, is how I was brought up and I really hated it. I swore I would never do it to my kids … and so far haven’t. My son is a *better* eater – as far as eating heavier quantities. He has recently lost about 40 pounds while away at college. When he is home I have found that I have a tendency to want to fill him up. I caught myself tonite when he pushed his plate away and it was still half full (was his second helping). At first I took it personally and started to say something to him about cleaning that plate … don’t you like mama’s cooking (in jest) … whatever – then realized if he was done, leave the kid alone! Why make him miserable or destroy all the hard work he has done to shed his excess weight? I guess time will tell with my youngest, if she will remain that skinny little thing that she currently is. I do hope so, hate to think that she will one day struggle like the rest of us. Secondly, if you over-eat for a long time, your body actually disables the "full switch" (for the technically minded, I’m talking about the leptin hormone mechanism). But you can re-set it if you eat sensibly for a while. I forget how long, but the figure of 5 months seems to be lodged in my brain (?).
Again, very interesting! This goes back to what Fred and I have discussed as far as getting even the portions of veggies under control. Maybe we aren’t resetting our bodies by piling up high on them. Definitely something to think about! The problem is, if you have a bit of a binge before that process has had a chance to occur, or if you later binge for psychological reasons, you can disable that switch all over again! 
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So in a nutshell, this can always be a problem child unless we do get somewhat strict with ourselves? Fruits, veggies and such – I just pile ‘em on and take a point or two. Rice and potatoes I’m pretty good at eyeballing. I’m making a conscious effort to cram as much fruit and veg into every meal that I can. This is partly general healthy eating, partly due to the research that shows it can improve asthma (I have quite bad asthma) and partly because if you eat that much fruit and veg, you frankly haven’t got room for anything fattening! (no matter how poor your appetite control mechanism!).
I’m doing the same, not for the asthma reason though (No asthma here – lucky me!). I agree, if I fill up on salad and veggies there isn’t much room for larger portions of the more fattening and less healthier items. If I want an evening snack, I force myself to try a piece of fruit first and see if that satisfies me … usually it does and I don’t need anything else until those cookie cravings hit in the wee hours. <G Thank heavens for miss meringues! One "rule" I have for myself is: Side-salad with everything. Another rule is: Always finish with fruit. It did have unfortunately side- effects for the first two weeks, but now it seems to have settled down!
I have always loved salads but hated to fix them – so they usually were an item that was eaten when going out to dinner. I changed that quickly. Now salads appear very frequently, and in large quantities. I toss the leftovers in a zipper bag, eat it for snacks and lunches – doesn’t last more than a day or two. I also suffered from those side effects <G, but now it’s settled down to the point of making me wonder how to get it going again. Does your body eventually get used to the increased amount of fiber and slow down the elimination? (Gotta admit, I think those dried bing cherries did the trick for me today – lol) I noticed in the trader joes flyer they now are offering something called baked potato sticks. Not sure exactly what they are, but thought I would check them out tomorrow. Might be a nice option when looking for *chips* Have you tried carrot, beetroot and parsnip chips? They sell them here in UK in Marks & Spencers, but I’m sure you can get them elsewhere. They’re baked so they have hardly any points.
I haven’t seen them or heard of them around here. We do have something called veggie chips, are kind of like a styrofoam texture/appearance but are pretty good. The problem being … they are so much higher in calories and fat, almost to the point of being equal to regular potato chips! Definitely deceiving for those that don’t read the nutrition labels and only base their idea of healthy on seeing the word *vegetable* in the name of the product. Joyce — started ww 2/5/02 — 228.8/145.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 — LIFETIME 4/4/03 NAFC website can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaw179/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I should reduce the very plentiful vegetable servings like a quarter of a cauliflower and one or two stalks of broccoli to something a bit less – just in case I’m keeping the stomach thinking it needs to be VERY FULL. I think GREAT TASTE can be very satifying but a bit of oil/protein helps the full feeling. Fries are only something I did at a restaurant as an accompaniment to a burger. My mom and significant other never did such fried stuff at home and neither did I. Yes, those 3 slices of pizza also went down easily – I did not feel stuffed. And I did time the slices – not gobbling and quickly moving to the next. Maybe I just needed more food. I was hoping that I would feel full – maybe I should have quit anyway??? I’m guessing you were really hungry and did need the amount you ate – maybe more. But I do understand the concern. I think we are so afraid of heading right back into the path we came from, and I can see how easily it can happen. I sometimes think I obsess too much, measure portions too frequently. My brain knows that it is impossible to put on all that I have lost by eating one larger meal … but I’m afraid of totally losing control as in the past. This might be something that I need to make closer observations on. WHAT items leave me feeling full in smaller quantities, WHAT items make me want to continue eating and eating. Is it even particular food items or is it more environmental/psychological issues? Both or all – triggers, satisfaction and envir/psycho…. I ate too much last night. Oh, I did not exceed my points but even five minutes before bed I was still hitting the dried mango and Miss Meringue! This is exactly how I am feeling tonite … like I ate too much, yet have not exceeded my points. The problem lies more in *what I ate*. Quick, carry in dinner from a spot that really has nothing to offer other than heavy, fat laden fast foods (italian beef, sausage, etc) – but dh has been crying for a pepper and egg sandwich for a few weeks now .. and I decided to be a good sport. Dinner did not seem to satisfy me. I successfully denied the pie offer, but am still battling those munchies – which so far have only included 6 mini meringues. Where do you find the dried mango? I haven’t seen it around here and it sounds yummy!
Costco has the dried mango but some natural food stores also sell it and maybe I’ve seen it at Trader Joes??? Oh, sausage does sound good. There’s an Italian restaurant by work which makes this incredible open face sausage sandwich covered by a terrific, thick tomato sauce and three kinds of thick gloppy melted cheeses. See I’m not quite "healed" yet! The sandwich has to be 30-40 points. Altho, even before the diet, ahem, WW began, I was taking about half of it home. Still, not a slimmy lunch by any means. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s good. Actually, yesterday when some folks noted the weightloss, they congratulated me on the hard work. I had to admit (though reluctantly) that it has not been that hard. I was reluctant to admit that since I don’t want to give myself the latitude to go OFF the deep end thinking that weightloss was not that hard. So I’m inclined to think WW is reasonable for me, at least. I’ve always felt the same way … this journey has been too easy, which scares me. I don’t feel like it was hard at all and still can’t believe it has been over a year since I started. I’m finding it is harder to give myself the latitude to veer off program without feeling guilty or being hard on myself. I also am afraid to *quit* the losing end of things and move on to maintanence. It’s hard to give up the easy stuff and move on to the harder task … which I know has to be done sometime. Maybe what we consider "dangerous latitude" is what "normal" weight people just innately do or how they react to food. They turn their attention elsewhere. They do it naturally we need to be conscious of it. I don’t have to face maintenance just yet. Weeks or maybe months away. This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense. She’ll take out a box of bagel bite things, and fix herself 2 or 3. Me? Give me the whole box or forget it! I don’t think I was ever like her and have no idea where she got it from. My logic is that if I don’t ever stop trying to *lose* weight, then I don’t have to worry about maintenance – right? Backwards thinking, but I am still running scared.
On the way home from the ski trip we were discussing weight and foods. My friend is becoming a real healthy food NUT! But we were trying to define why we crave certain items and whether it is natural (genetic) or learned or what. Since my sister seems like your daughter, I figure it is not learned/environmental. We were pretty much raised in the same environment (she’s 3 years younger). She’s maybe 100 pounds and always has been very thin at 5′5" So I figure genetics plays a role. So we have to fight some innate/inherent weight mechanism??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems. I just really like the stuff. Maybe the fish and its healthy oils really satisfy. I wrote elsewhere, salt is not a problem for me – so far. I was teasing you. <G Dh also loves his pickled herring, and I humor him. It is supposed to be very good for you, so go with it! My mom always teased my dad over sardines. She hated fish in any form and he loved it and particularly smelly sardines (I do those also for breakfast before longer hikes/ski trips) but would dutiful open them, dice onion and make him a sandwich. Ahhhhhhhhh, she is a much better woman than me! I don’t humor the old man, I don’t fix his sardines or herring … if he wants them, he has to deal with them. <G It works in reverse also – he refuses to touch a jar of mayo or anything that has it in it. <G
I have never been much of a mayo person either. I never did spread it on bread – maybe it was in the tuna sandwich but now that I prepare that stuff (and even for years), I just ate the tuna straight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been buying the hardcopy spiral – works okay. I’ve been surprisingly diligent about keeping it. (G) I’ve just never gotten into manually writing a journal, I think it may be a privacy thing with me (or lack of … in this house). I know if my journal is on the computer, no one else is going to be peeking over my shoulder. If it is something laying around the house, I have a feeling it would be constantly viewed and would become a source of ridicule. I take a beating already over my food scale. <G I recently went out to dinner with my younger brother, first thing out of his mouth when dinner was served, was *don’t eat that, you don’t know how much it weighs!*. Little did he know that I probably DID know how much it weighed (or pretty dang close). I don’t add any personal thought – just food and weights! (G) I don’t use the scale all that often. Maybe as I slow the lose and hit maintenance I will. Yes for meats or an unusual item or nuts and cheese. I don’t add personal thoughts to the journal either – just what I’ve eaten and point values. I still know they would be me up over it – we all are a wacky bunch
Lead on! I do weigh only meats/casseroles, shredded cheese, things like that. Guess it’s those higher calorie items that I want to make sure I am figuring correctly. It always comes right back to that portion control issue, and I am overly fearful of how fast that could possibly get away from me if I allow it. Fruits, veggies and such – I just pile ‘em on and take a point or two. Rice and potatoes I’m pretty good at eyeballing.
I’m not doing much rice but have been eyeballing the kasha. It makes 3-something cups and I divide it roughly. Again, like folks say – you did not get here eating too many vegetables, One spoonful extra or less of rice, kasha or even mashed potatoes will not kill a ‘diet’ or WW plan. It is the cups of the stuff extra that did it and would again. Clearly, as I get closer to goal maybe that spoonful will be my stumbling block but I will just walk a bit further at the mall. I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. I noticed in the trader joes flyer they now are offering something called baked potato sticks. Not sure exactly what they are, but thought I would check them out tomorrow. Might be a nice option when looking for *chips*
That’s what I’m trying NOT to do. Try adding too much to overcome what I’ve cut out. I think I did that a few years ago with FF
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Hi Joyce, This is exactly how I am feeling tonite … like I ate too much, yet have not exceeded my points.
If you’ve been eating very low-fat for a while, your body can have a bit of trouble digesting fat again. Which is a good thing, probably. Likewise, if you haven’t eaten a lot of dairy foods for a while, or if you haven’t eaten a lot of sugary foods. You body adapts to the diet you’ve been giving it and doesn’t always react so well to sudden change. So, either the food sits there in your stomach for hours, waiting to get digested, or it rushes right through and you aren’t satisfied. This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense.
There’s a couple of things probably going on here. Firstly, some people simply have a better "appetite feed-back loop" which switches off hunger as soon as they’ve had enough (just like some people are better at maths, or some people are more athletic). If a person doesn’t grow up in the kind of environment where food was pushed on them even when they were full (you know, "Clean your plate" and "Just one more…" syndrome), they can be like this for life, and hence never get over- weight (lucky beggars!). Secondly, if you over-eat for a long time, your body actually disables the "full switch" (for the technically minded, I’m talking about the leptin hormone mechanism). But you can re-set it if you eat sensibly for a while. I forget how long, but the figure of 5 months seems to be lodged in my brain (?). The problem is, if you have a bit of a binge before that process has had a chance to occur, or if you later binge for psychological reasons, you can disable that switch all over again! ( Fruits, veggies and such – I just pile ‘em on and take a point or two. Rice and potatoes I’m pretty good at eyeballing.
I’m making a conscious effort to cram as much fruit and veg into every meal that I can. This is partly general healthy eating, partly due to the research that shows it can improve asthma (I have quite bad asthma) and partly because if you eat that much fruit and veg, you frankly haven’t got room for anything fattening! (no matter how poor your appetite control mechanism!). One "rule" I have for myself is: Side-salad with everything. Another rule is: Always finish with fruit. It did have unfortunately side- effects for the first two weeks, but now it seems to have settled down! I noticed in the trader joes flyer they now are offering something called baked potato sticks. Not sure exactly what they are, but thought I would check them out tomorrow. Might be a nice option when looking for *chips*
Have you tried carrot, beetroot and parsnip chips? They sell them here in UK in Marks & Spencers, but I’m sure you can get them elsewhere. They’re baked so they have hardly any points. — Anna Hayward, Alien Visitor Email me at: alienvisitor AT ratbag DOT demon DOT co DOT uk Anna’s Pregnancy, Parenting and Autism page: http://www.ratbag.demon.co.uk/anna/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fruits and veggies have never been a problem, nor water consumption. Portions (I may have mentioned that about a 1,000 times or so) and lots of additional junk foods and desserts. I do wonder about "keeping the stomach too stretched" with too many fruits and veggies. Or is that an old "wives’ tale?" I know the calories are not the problem – just the bulk??? Funny you should mention that, as I was thinking the same thing recently. I find that my portions are a bit smaller, but not much – yet caloric content is much less due to the healthier products being used. It does make me think that it would be awfully easy to slip right back into those icky old habits if I don’t keep an ever watchful eye on things. Does the stomach *really* shrink? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no. I have found that at the local burger joint by me, ordering the kids meal burger is more my *size* now … than the adult version which I can only eat half of. Then again … the 6 oz of turkey went down awfully easy this evening. Is the difference really in the quantity or in the quality (again, those veggies as opposed to fries and excess fat). That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I should reduce the very plentiful vegetable servings like a quarter of a cauliflower and one or two stalks of broccoli to something a bit less – just in case I’m keeping the stomach thinking it needs to be VERY FULL. I think GREAT TASTE can be very satifying but a bit of oil/protein helps the full feeling. Fries are only something I did at a restaurant as an accompaniment to a burger. My mom and significant other never did such fried stuff at home and neither did I. Yes, those 3 slices of pizza also went down easily – I did not feel stuffed. And I did time the slices – not gobbling and quickly moving to the next. Maybe I just needed more food. I was hoping that I would feel full – maybe I should have quit anyway??? I’m guessing you were really hungry and did need the amount you ate – maybe more. But I do understand the concern. I think we are so afraid of heading right back into the path we came from, and I can see how easily it can happen. I sometimes think I obsess too much, measure portions too frequently. My brain knows that it is impossible to put on all that I have lost by eating one larger meal … but I’m afraid of totally losing control as in the past. This might be something that I need to make closer observations on. WHAT items leave me feeling full in smaller quantities, WHAT items make me want to continue eating and eating. Is it even particular food items or is it more environmental/psychological issues?
Both or all – triggers, satisfaction and envir/psycho…. I ate too much last night. Oh, I did not exceed my points but even five minutes before bed I was still hitting the dried mango and Miss Meringue! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sounds like you have much of it under control. Let me ask – does it seem like a DIET? Does it occasionally or often feel like deprevation? I was talking with someone at work today and she said she is plain tired of "dieting" and having to watch everything she eats. She did Atkins much of last year. I have to say that not once in the past year have I felt like I was on a diet, that’s as honest as I can get. I swear I almost eat more now than before. I do make better/healthier choices – I don’t think I eat less. I do watch what I eat, I am not tired of *that*. If I want that damn cookie, then I have it – get it out of my system and move on. Other times I find I *really* don’t want it. Today was one of those *don’t really want it* days. Dh opened a box of fudge covered oreos and left them sitting on the counter. One of those things jumped right in my hand as I walked past … didn’t make it to my mouth though. <G That’s good. Actually, yesterday when some folks noted the weightloss, they congratulated me on the hard work. I had to admit (though reluctantly) that it has not been that hard. I was reluctant to admit that since I don’t want to give myself the latitude to go OFF the deep end thinking that weightloss was not that hard. So I’m inclined to think WW is reasonable for me, at least. I’ve always felt the same way … this journey has been too easy, which scares me. I don’t feel like it was hard at all and still can’t believe it has been over a year since I started. I’m finding it is harder to give myself the latitude to veer off program without feeling guilty or being hard on myself. I also am afraid to *quit* the losing end of things and move on to maintanence. It’s hard to give up the easy stuff and move on to the harder task … which I know has to be done sometime.
Maybe what we consider "dangerous latitude" is what "normal" weight people just innately do or how they react to food. They turn their attention elsewhere. They do it naturally we need to be conscious of it. I don’t have to face maintenance just yet. Weeks or maybe months away. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My daughter has followed Atkins for over a year and has been very successful. She also has had many stumbling blocks and does complain that she is so tired of giving up certain items. And when she finally does cave, the weight creeps back up quickly. So far she has been able to control it, but I don’t see it being a life thing. Cutting out fruits is just not for me. It may work and if Atkins is to be believed, addictions to sugar need to be broken like alcohol anonymous. But it seems that WW allows me reasonable ability to eat what I want as long as I remember HOW MUCH. It that different than Atkins – he may think that cream and steak is good but he quickly reminds HOW MUCH carbo is important to his diet. The *old* me could cut out fruits without a problem, but I couldn’t cut out my breads or pasta, rice, pizza, guess all carbs in general. I do enjoy them! For me the problem is the idea of having any items being forbidden. I believe this only promotes failure and makes me want those items more … to the point of becoming obsessed. That’s why ww has been successful for me, it makes sense! If I want that danged sundae, I can have it. I don’t have to obsess … eat it and move on … adjust lifestyle/meals accordingly. I did follow atkins when I was a young adult, maybe had all of 15 pounds I wanted to lose. It was great for a quick, short term thing – but I can’t see it as a permanent option … not for me anyway.
Atkins might be a good start to a modest reduction but not for me for long term weight control. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems. I just really like the stuff. Maybe the fish and its healthy oils really satisfy. I wrote elsewhere, salt is not a problem for me – so far. I was teasing you. <G Dh also loves his pickled herring, and I humor him. It is supposed to be very good for you, so go with it!
My mom always teased my dad over sardines. She hated fish in any form and he loved it and particularly smelly sardines (I do those also for breakfast before longer hikes/ski trips) but would dutiful open them, dice onion and make him a sandwich. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The ONLINE came up yesterday at our meeting. A few folks mentioned that they like the journaling but not the general site. Others liked none of the e-site. The journal is the only thing I find useful … and that is only for convenience reasons. I can get the same thing using fitday, but then have to calculate my own point values .. which I still do. But the ww website journal is great for quick and easy and keeping me on track instantly. The rest of the website is just fluff. I have been buying the hardcopy spiral – works okay. I’ve been surprisingly diligent about keeping it. (G) I’ve just never gotten into manually writing a journal, I think it may be a privacy thing with me (or lack of … in this house). I know if my journal is on the computer, no one else is going to be peeking over my shoulder. If it is something laying around the house, I have a feeling it would be constantly viewed and would become a source of ridicule. I take a beating already over my food scale. <G I recently went out to dinner with my younger brother, first thing out of his mouth when dinner was served, was *don’t eat that, you don’t know how much it weighs!*. Little did he know that I probably DID know how much it weighed (or pretty dang close).
I don’t add any personal thought – just food and weights! (G) I don’t use the scale all that often. Maybe as I slow the lose and hit maintenance I will. Yes for meats or an unusual item or nuts and cheese. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. I was looking at some sort of chips yesterday while at our local fish market. They looked like bagel type chips, but I think they were more of a sliced bread type thing – had some interesting flavors, tomato basil sounded great. They also weren’t too bad in the point department,
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I should reduce the very plentiful vegetable servings like a quarter of a cauliflower and one or two stalks of broccoli to something a bit less – just in case I’m keeping the stomach thinking it needs to be VERY FULL. I think GREAT TASTE can be very satifying but a bit of oil/protein helps the full feeling. Fries are only something I did at a restaurant as an accompaniment to a burger. My mom and significant other never did such fried stuff at home and neither did I. Yes, those 3 slices of pizza also went down easily – I did not feel stuffed. And I did time the slices – not gobbling and quickly moving to the next. Maybe I just needed more food. I was hoping that I would feel full – maybe I should have quit anyway??? I’m guessing you were really hungry and did need the amount you ate – maybe more. But I do understand the concern. I think we are so afraid of heading right back into the path we came from, and I can see how easily it can happen. I sometimes think I obsess too much, measure portions too frequently. My brain knows that it is impossible to put on all that I have lost by eating one larger meal … but I’m afraid of totally losing control as in the past. This might be something that I need to make closer observations on. WHAT items leave me feeling full in smaller quantities, WHAT items make me want to continue eating and eating. Is it even particular food items or is it more environmental/psychological issues? Both or all – triggers, satisfaction and envir/psycho…. I ate too much last night. Oh, I did not exceed my points but even five minutes before bed I was still hitting the dried mango and Miss Meringue!
This is exactly how I am feeling tonite … like I ate too much, yet have not exceeded my points. The problem lies more in *what I ate*. Quick, carry in dinner from a spot that really has nothing to offer other than heavy, fat laden fast foods (italian beef, sausage, etc) – but dh has been crying for a pepper and egg sandwich for a few weeks now .. and I decided to be a good sport. Dinner did not seem to satisfy me. I successfully denied the pie offer, but am still battling those munchies – which so far have only included 6 mini meringues. Where do you find the dried mango? I haven’t seen it around here and it sounds yummy! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -That’s good. Actually, yesterday when some folks noted the weightloss, they congratulated me on the hard work. I had to admit (though reluctantly) that it has not been that hard. I was reluctant to admit that since I don’t want to give myself the latitude to go OFF the deep end thinking that weightloss was not that hard. So I’m inclined to think WW is reasonable for me, at least. I’ve always felt the same way … this journey has been too easy, which scares me. I don’t feel like it was hard at all and still can’t believe it has been over a year since I started. I’m finding it is harder to give myself the latitude to veer off program without feeling guilty or being hard on myself. I also am afraid to *quit* the losing end of things and move on to maintanence. It’s hard to give up the easy stuff and move on to the harder task … which I know has to be done sometime. Maybe what we consider "dangerous latitude" is what "normal" weight people just innately do or how they react to food. They turn their attention elsewhere. They do it naturally we need to be conscious of it. I don’t have to face maintenance just yet. Weeks or maybe months away.
This is something I honestly don’t understand, yet my youngest girl appears to be one of those people who can successfully walk away (no wonder she is only 100 pounds). She *appears* to be constantly eating, yet she eats very little. At dinner, she just stops eating – then later tells me she is never full but has had enough. I’m not sure that even makes sense. She’ll take out a box of bagel bite things, and fix herself 2 or 3. Me? Give me the whole box or forget it! I don’t think I was ever like her and have no idea where she got it from. My logic is that if I don’t ever stop trying to *lose* weight, then I don’t have to worry about maintenance – right? Backwards thinking, but I am still running scared. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems. I just really like the stuff. Maybe the fish and its healthy oils really satisfy. I wrote elsewhere, salt is not a problem for me – so far. I was teasing you. <G Dh also loves his pickled herring, and I humor him. It is supposed to be very good for you, so go with it! My mom always teased my dad over sardines. She hated fish in any form and he loved it and particularly smelly sardines (I do those also for breakfast before longer hikes/ski trips) but would dutiful open them, dice onion and make him a sandwich.
Ahhhhhhhhh, she is a much better woman than me! I don’t humor the old man, I don’t fix his sardines or herring … if he wants them, he has to deal with them. <G It works in reverse also – he refuses to touch a jar of mayo or anything that has it in it. <G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been buying the hardcopy spiral – works okay. I’ve been surprisingly diligent about keeping it. (G) I’ve just never gotten into manually writing a journal, I think it may be a privacy thing with me (or lack of … in this house). I know if my journal is on the computer, no one else is going to be peeking over my shoulder. If it is something laying around the house, I have a feeling it would be constantly viewed and would become a source of ridicule. I take a beating already over my food scale. <G I recently went out to dinner with my younger brother, first thing out of his mouth when dinner was served, was *don’t eat that, you don’t know how much it weighs!*. Little did he know that I probably DID know how much it weighed (or pretty dang close). I don’t add any personal thought – just food and weights! (G) I don’t use the scale all that often. Maybe as I slow the lose and hit maintenance I will. Yes for meats or an unusual item or nuts and cheese.
I don’t add personal thoughts to the journal either – just what I’ve eaten and point values. I still know they would be me up over it – we all are a wacky bunch I do weigh only meats/casseroles, shredded cheese, things like that. Guess it’s those higher calorie items that I want to make sure I am figuring correctly. It always comes right back to that portion control issue, and I am overly fearful of how fast that could possibly get away from me if I allow it. Fruits, veggies and such – I just pile ‘em on and take a point or two. Rice and potatoes I’m pretty good at eyeballing. I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific.
I noticed in the trader joes flyer they now are offering something called baked potato sticks. Not sure exactly what they are, but thought I would check them out tomorrow. Might be a nice option when looking for *chips* I was looking at some sort of chips yesterday while at our local fish market. They looked like bagel type chips, but I think they were more of a sliced bread type thing – had some interesting flavors, tomato basil sounded great. They also weren’t too bad in the point department, but I still took a pass on them figuring I was better off not bringing them into the house. The yellowfin tuna steak was delightful though – my new passion! I’m really into swordfish. I get my tuna raw as sushi! (G) I usually buy extra swordfish when Costco has it in stock. A very meaty fish. I think I may have gotten a bad piece of swordfish, and it turned me off. It was very strong tasting, couldn’t eat more than 2 bites of the thing. Is this normal for swordfish? It should not be overpowering but it does smell fishy when unwrapped.
This was definitely overpowering, as far as the taste. It tasted very fishy, very strong – which immediately turns me off. There’s not much I can’t/won’t eat (someday you’ll see a pic and understand how true that statement is) – so if I throw an entire dinner away, you know there is something wrong. Joyce — started ww 2/5/02 — 228.8/145.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 — LIFETIME 4/4/03 NAFC website can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaw179/
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Thank you and all the others who helped answer my question. I don’t actually treat potatoes as veges – although I don’t class sweet potatoes as potatoes. I realize that some veges (like peas and corn, which is technically a grain, not a "vegetable" – go figure). are higher starch than others, but if I like them I just take the points hit and eat them. Thanks again. Diane
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – welcome to the group. You are not being obsessive at all, I count a half cup as a veg or fruit. unless the book says different. I am sure you already got great answers here, and welcome again, Lee
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Fruits and veggies have never been a problem, nor water consumption. Portions (I may have mentioned that about a 1,000 times or so) and lots of additional junk foods and desserts. I do wonder about "keeping the stomach too stretched" with too many fruits and veggies. Or is that an old "wives’ tale?" I know the calories are not the problem – just the bulk??? Funny you should mention that, as I was thinking the same thing recently. I find that my portions are a bit smaller, but not much – yet caloric content is much less due to the healthier products being used. It does make me think that it would be awfully easy to slip right back into those icky old habits if I don’t keep an ever watchful eye on things. Does the stomach *really* shrink? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no. I have found that at the local burger joint by me, ordering the kids meal burger is more my *size* now … than the adult version which I can only eat half of. Then again … the 6 oz of turkey went down awfully easy this evening. Is the difference really in the quantity or in the quality (again, those veggies as opposed to fries and excess fat). That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I should reduce the very plentiful vegetable servings like a quarter of a cauliflower and one or two stalks of broccoli to something a bit less – just in case I’m keeping the stomach thinking it needs to be VERY FULL. I think GREAT TASTE can be very satifying but a bit of oil/protein helps the full feeling. Fries are only something I did at a restaurant as an accompaniment to a burger. My mom and significant other never did such fried stuff at home and neither did I. Yes, those 3 slices of pizza also went down easily – I did not feel stuffed. And I did time the slices – not gobbling and quickly moving to the next. Maybe I just needed more food. I was hoping that I would feel full – maybe I should have quit anyway???
I’m guessing you were really hungry and did need the amount you ate – maybe more. But I do understand the concern. I think we are so afraid of heading right back into the path we came from, and I can see how easily it can happen. I sometimes think I obsess too much, measure portions too frequently. My brain knows that it is impossible to put on all that I have lost by eating one larger meal … but I’m afraid of totally losing control as in the past. This might be something that I need to make closer observations on. WHAT items leave me feeling full in smaller quantities, WHAT items make me want to continue eating and eating. Is it even particular food items or is it more environmental/psychological issues? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sounds like you have much of it under control. Let me ask – does it seem like a DIET? Does it occasionally or often feel like deprevation? I was talking with someone at work today and she said she is plain tired of "dieting" and having to watch everything she eats. She did Atkins much of last year. I have to say that not once in the past year have I felt like I was on a diet, that’s as honest as I can get. I swear I almost eat more now than before. I do make better/healthier choices – I don’t think I eat less. I do watch what I eat, I am not tired of *that*. If I want that damn cookie, then I have it – get it out of my system and move on. Other times I find I *really* don’t want it. Today was one of those *don’t really want it* days. Dh opened a box of fudge covered oreos and left them sitting on the counter. One of those things jumped right in my hand as I walked past … didn’t make it to my mouth though. <G That’s good. Actually, yesterday when some folks noted the weightloss, they congratulated me on the hard work. I had to admit (though reluctantly) that it has not been that hard. I was reluctant to admit that since I don’t want to give myself the latitude to go OFF the deep end thinking that weightloss was not that hard. So I’m inclined to think WW is reasonable for me, at least.
I’ve always felt the same way … this journey has been too easy, which scares me. I don’t feel like it was hard at all and still can’t believe it has been over a year since I started. I’m finding it is harder to give myself the latitude to veer off program without feeling guilty or being hard on myself. I also am afraid to *quit* the losing end of things and move on to maintanence. It’s hard to give up the easy stuff and move on to the harder task … which I know has to be done sometime. My daughter has followed Atkins for over a year and has been very successful. She also has had many stumbling blocks and does complain that she is so tired of giving up certain items. And when she finally does cave, the weight creeps back up quickly. So far she has been able to control it, but I don’t see it being a life thing. Cutting out fruits is just not for me. It may work and if Atkins is to be believed, addictions to sugar need to be broken like alcohol anonymous. But it seems that WW allows me reasonable ability to eat what I want as long as I remember HOW MUCH. It that different than Atkins – he may think that cream and steak is good but he quickly reminds HOW MUCH carbo is important to his diet.
The *old* me could cut out fruits without a problem, but I couldn’t cut out my breads or pasta, rice, pizza, guess all carbs in general. I do enjoy them! For me the problem is the idea of having any items being forbidden. I believe this only promotes failure and makes me want those items more … to the point of becoming obsessed. That’s why ww has been successful for me, it makes sense! If I want that danged sundae, I can have it. I don’t have to obsess … eat it and move on … adjust lifestyle/meals accordingly. I did follow atkins when I was a young adult, maybe had all of 15 pounds I wanted to lose. It was great for a quick, short term thing – but I can’t see it as a permanent option … not for me anyway. I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems. I just really like the stuff. Maybe the fish and its healthy oils really satisfy. I wrote elsewhere, salt is not a problem for me – so far.
I was teasing you. <G Dh also loves his pickled herring, and I humor him. It is supposed to be very good for you, so go with it! The ONLINE came up yesterday at our meeting. A few folks mentioned that they like the journaling but not the general site. Others liked none of the e-site. The journal is the only thing I find useful … and that is only for convenience reasons. I can get the same thing using fitday, but then have to calculate my own point values .. which I still do. But the ww website journal is great for quick and easy and keeping me on track instantly. The rest of the website is just fluff. I have been buying the hardcopy spiral – works okay. I’ve been surprisingly diligent about keeping it. (G)
I’ve just never gotten into manually writing a journal, I think it may be a privacy thing with me (or lack of … in this house). I know if my journal is on the computer, no one else is going to be peeking over my shoulder. If it is something laying around the house, I have a feeling it would be constantly viewed and would become a source of ridicule. I take a beating already over my food scale. <G I recently went out to dinner with my younger brother, first thing out of his mouth when dinner was served, was *don’t eat that, you don’t know how much it weighs!*. Little did he know that I probably DID know how much it weighed (or pretty dang close). I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. I was looking at some sort of chips yesterday while at our local fish market. They looked like bagel type chips, but I think they were more of a sliced bread type thing – had some interesting flavors, tomato basil sounded great. They also weren’t too bad in the point department, but I still took a pass on them figuring I was better off not bringing them into the house. The yellowfin tuna steak was delightful though – my new passion! I’m really into swordfish. I get my tuna raw as sushi! (G) I usually buy extra swordfish when Costco has it in stock. A very meaty fish.
I think I may have gotten a bad piece of swordfish, and it turned me off. It was very strong tasting, couldn’t eat more than 2 bites of the thing. Is this normal for swordfish? Joyce — started ww 2/5/02 — 228.8/145.5/150ww goal/140ish personal goal WW GOAL!!! 2/21/03 NAFC website can be found at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaw179/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fruits and veggies have never been a problem, nor water consumption. Portions (I may have mentioned that about a 1,000 times or so) and lots of additional junk foods and desserts. I do wonder about "keeping the stomach too stretched" with too many fruits and veggies. Or is that an old "wives’ tale?" I know the calories are not the problem – just the bulk??? Funny you should mention that, as I was thinking the same thing recently. I find that my portions are a bit smaller, but not much – yet caloric content is much less due to the healthier products being used. It does make me think that it would be awfully easy to slip right back into those icky old habits if I don’t keep an ever watchful eye on things. Does the stomach *really* shrink? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no. I have found that at the local burger joint by me, ordering the kids meal burger is more my *size* now … than the adult version which I can only eat half of. Then again … the 6 oz of turkey went down awfully easy this evening. Is the difference really in the quantity or in the quality (again, those veggies as opposed to fries and excess fat).
That’s what I’m trying to figure out. If I should reduce the very plentiful vegetable servings like a quarter of a cauliflower and one or two stalks of broccoli to something a bit less – just in case I’m keeping the stomach thinking it needs to be VERY FULL. I think GREAT TASTE can be very satifying but a bit of oil/protein helps the full feeling. Fries are only something I did at a restaurant as an accompaniment to a burger. My mom and significant other never did such fried stuff at home and neither did I. Yes, those 3 slices of pizza also went down easily – I did not feel stuffed. And I did time the slices – not gobbling and quickly moving to the next. Maybe I just needed more food. I was hoping that I would feel full – maybe I should have quit anyway??? Sounds like you have much of it under control. Let me ask – does it seem like a DIET? Does it occasionally or often feel like deprevation? I was talking with someone at work today and she said she is plain tired of "dieting" and having to watch everything she eats. She did Atkins much of last year. I have to say that not once in the past year have I felt like I was on a diet, that’s as honest as I can get. I swear I almost eat more now than before. I do make better/healthier choices – I don’t think I eat less. I do watch what I eat, I am not tired of *that*. If I want that damn cookie, then I have it – get it out of my system and move on. Other times I find I *really* don’t want it. Today was one of those *don’t really want it* days. Dh opened a box of fudge covered oreos and left them sitting on the counter. One of those things jumped right in my hand as I walked past … didn’t make it to my mouth though. <G
That’s good. Actually, yesterday when some folks noted the weightloss, they congratulated me on the hard work. I had to admit (though reluctantly) that it has not been that hard. I was reluctant to admit that since I don’t want to give myself the latitude to go OFF the deep end thinking that weightloss was not that hard. So I’m inclined to think WW is reasonable for me, at least. My daughter has followed Atkins for over a year and has been very successful. She also has had many stumbling blocks and does complain that she is so tired of giving up certain items. And when she finally does cave, the weight creeps back up quickly. So far she has been able to control it, but I don’t see it being a life thing.
Cutting out fruits is just not for me. It may work and if Atkins is to be believed, addictions to sugar need to be broken like alcohol anonymous. But it seems that WW allows me reasonable ability to eat what I want as long as I remember HOW MUCH. It that different than Atkins – he may think that cream and steak is good but he quickly reminds HOW MUCH carbo is important to his diet. I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems.
I just really like the stuff. Maybe the fish and its healthy oils really satisfy. I wrote elsewhere, salt is not a problem for me – so far. The ONLINE came up yesterday at our meeting. A few folks mentioned that they like the journaling but not the general site. Others liked none of the e-site. The journal is the only thing I find useful … and that is only for convenience reasons. I can get the same thing using fitday, but then have to calculate my own point values .. which I still do. But the ww website journal is great for quick and easy and keeping me on track instantly. The rest of the website is just fluff.
I have been buying the hardcopy spiral – works okay. I’ve been surprisingly diligent about keeping it. (G) I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. I was looking at some sort of chips yesterday while at our local fish market. They looked like bagel type chips, but I think they were more of a sliced bread type thing – had some interesting flavors, tomato basil sounded great. They also weren’t too bad in the point department, but I still took a pass on them figuring I was better off not bringing them into the house. The yellowfin tuna steak was delightful though – my new passion!
I’m really into swordfish. I get my tuna raw as sushi! (G) I usually buy extra swordfish when Costco has it in stock. A very meaty fish.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Onion Rings a vegetable, huh. Oh, boy. But like my Pastrami sub – if it works for you, it works. That really is dawning on me. WW will allow our diversions and indiscretions as long as we figure them in. I like me onion rings. <g Don’t have them often, but will admit that this is one thing I won’t give up. Today was another one of those *not enough fruits/veggies* days. I feel like I ate a ton, but I don’t think it added up to the 5 servings … maybe it did, was hard to do an actual count. Lunch consisted of leftover tomato/veggie soup. I had 2 cups of soup, counted it as one veggie serving … but maybe it was 2? I made a huge bowl of cut up fresh fruit to go with dinner (fake egg baked omelet, canadian bacon, light wheat toast, hash browns for those that wanted) – had a small bowl of fruit while waiting for daughter to return from softball – then a larger portion at dinner. Again, only counted each as 1 serving. So I figure this anywhere from 3-5 servings … not sure where it ended up, but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it. The old me wouldn’t have even bothered making it at all! There’s a burger joint (drooling already) that makes great onion rings (slurp). Damn! Fruits and veggies have never been a problem, nor water consumption. Portions (I may have mentioned that about a 1,000 times or so) and lots of additional junk foods and desserts. I do wonder about "keeping the stomach too stretched" with too many fruits and veggies. Or is that an old "wives’ tale?" I know the calories are not the problem – just the bulk???
Funny you should mention that, as I was thinking the same thing recently. I find that my portions are a bit smaller, but not much – yet caloric content is much less due to the healthier products being used. It does make me think that it would be awfully easy to slip right back into those icky old habits if I don’t keep an ever watchful eye on things. Does the stomach *really* shrink? Sometimes I think yes, other times I think no. I have found that at the local burger joint by me, ordering the kids meal burger is more my *size* now … than the adult version which I can only eat half of. Then again … the 6 oz of turkey went down awfully easy this evening. Is the difference really in the quantity or in the quality (again, those veggies as opposed to fries and excess fat). Sounds like you have much of it under control. Let me ask – does it seem like a DIET? Does it occasionally or often feel like deprevation? I was talking with someone at work today and she said she is plain tired of "dieting" and having to watch everything she eats. She did Atkins much of last year.
I have to say that not once in the past year have I felt like I was on a diet, that’s as honest as I can get. I swear I almost eat more now than before. I do make better/healthier choices – I don’t think I eat less. I do watch what I eat, I am not tired of *that*. If I want that damn cookie, then I have it – get it out of my system and move on. Other times I find I *really* don’t want it. Today was one of those *don’t really want it* days. Dh opened a box of fudge covered oreos and left them sitting on the counter. One of those things jumped right in my hand as I walked past … didn’t make it to my mouth though. <G My daughter has followed Atkins for over a year and has been very successful. She also has had many stumbling blocks and does complain that she is so tired of giving up certain items. And when she finally does cave, the weight creeps back up quickly. So far she has been able to control it, but I don’t see it being a life thing. mmmmmmmmm, I love the skin – is the best part! Last week I discovered a great potato topper. Hidden Valley Ranch markets a dry dressing packet called *fiesta dip* – kind of on the southwestern side, a little zippy but not overly spicy. Mix it with one cup of fat free sour cream and 8 ounces of softened fat free cream cheese. I used a hand mixer to blend it with, so it would be smooth. Chill for about an hour. Nice and thick, very flavorful. 2T came out to about half a point … 1 full point if you use the light cream cheese instead of fat free. I’ve tried it both ways and honestly can’t tell the difference (and I really don’t like the fat free cream cheese). This also makes a great veggie dip! I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato.
You and that pickled herring! LOL I tend to vary, sometimes eat those potatoes plain, sometimes with my ff promise, or ff sour cream – whatever is hanging around. I figure it’s still much better than using the regular butter (and lots of it!). I don’t use salt though, it never makes it to our table. Guess I gave that up long ago due to dh’s blood pressure problems. As for sending you on a mission – I thought that the WW Online would have the info she was looking for and since you are an OLD (g) hand at WW-Online, you would be able to tell her where to look. I probably need to sit down and re-read the pamphlets again so reacquaintment myself with portions, too. the ww website is really clunky to use, very difficult to find any specific information. I really only use it for the journal and food database info. I don’t ever recall seeing anything stating exactly what size a serving should be … other than 3 ounces of meat is equal to the size of your palm, that type of thing. The ONLINE came up yesterday at our meeting. A few folks mentioned that they like the journaling but not the general site. Others liked none of the e-site.
The journal is the only thing I find useful … and that is only for convenience reasons. I can get the same thing using fitday, but then have to calculate my own point values .. which I still do. But the ww website journal is great for quick and easy and keeping me on track instantly. The rest of the website is just fluff. Last night, for some reason in a more ravenous mood, Salsa at 9:30pm! About a cup. More veggies! I love salsa, but also like it with tortilla chips – so I tend to stay away from it. It’s one of those trigger foods. I do use it in eggs though, and mix with fat free sour cream for salad dressing. I’m wierd! LOL I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific.
I was looking at some sort of chips yesterday while at our local fish market. They looked like bagel type chips, but I think they were more of a sliced bread type thing – had some interesting flavors, tomato basil sounded great. They also weren’t too bad in the point department, but I still took a pass on them figuring I was better off not bringing them into the house. The yellowfin tuna steak was delightful though – my new passion! Joyce 228.8/145.5/150 — 2/21/03 – total lost 83.3 lbs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Fred 219.2/178/176 (next 10% goal)
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welcome to the group. You are not being obsessive at all, I count a half cup as a veg or fruit. unless the book says different. I am sure you already got great answers here, and welcome again, Lee
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m Diane. I’ve posted a few times today, but mostly I’ve been lurking for the last few weeks. I started the on-line weight watchers program about 2 weeks ago, and have been very pleased with it. I hate "diets", but this isn’t so much "dieting" as controlling what I eat (okay, the difference is subtle, but it’s meaningful to me). I like the flexibility – my husband and I can eat the same food, I just eat less. And I like being able to allow for some "junk" (I have a weakness for Sorbet). I don’t want to focus on how much I weigh or how much I’m losing, I’d rather focus on the process and try to make this a life change. Let’s just say I want to lose quite a few pounds, but I’m not in a hurry. ;-) Anyway, on to the question: Can anyone point me to a guide that tells how big a "portion" of vegetables is? On the journal, there are 5 little vegetable symbols that need to be checked off as I eat 5 portions of veges each day. But I have no idea what *one* vegetable is, and I can’t find the info in the on-line literature. I will sometimes eat a cup of sweet potato as an emergency dinner (when I work late) – is this one vegetable? Two? How about spahetti sauce? If I eat a small banana, is that 1/2 vege take one point for it, since a large banana is 2 points) ? I guess this is a bit obsessive, but I want to learn what is "right". Any input would be appreciated. TIA. Diane
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Onion Rings a vegetable, huh. Oh, boy. But like my Pastrami sub – if it works for you, it works. That really is dawning on me. WW will allow our diversions and indiscretions as long as we figure them in. I like me onion rings. <g Don’t have them often, but will admit that this is one thing I won’t give up. Today was another one of those *not enough fruits/veggies* days. I feel like I ate a ton, but I don’t think it added up to the 5 servings … maybe it did, was hard to do an actual count. Lunch consisted of leftover tomato/veggie soup. I had 2 cups of soup, counted it as one veggie serving … but maybe it was 2? I made a huge bowl of cut up fresh fruit to go with dinner (fake egg baked omelet, canadian bacon, light wheat toast, hash browns for those that wanted) – had a small bowl of fruit while waiting for daughter to return from softball – then a larger portion at dinner. Again, only counted each as 1 serving. So I figure this anywhere from 3-5 servings … not sure where it ended up, but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it. The old me wouldn’t have even bothered making it at all!
There’s a burger joint (drooling already) that makes great onion rings (slurp). Damn! Fruits and veggies have never been a problem, nor water consumption. Portions (I may have mentioned that about a 1,000 times or so) and lots of additional junk foods and desserts. I do wonder about "keeping the stomach too stretched" with too many fruits and veggies. Or is that an old "wives’ tale?" I know the calories are not the problem – just the bulk??? Sounds like you have much of it under control. Let me ask – does it seem like a DIET? Does it occasionally or often feel like deprevation? I was talking with someone at work today and she said she is plain tired of "dieting" and having to watch everything she eats. She did Atkins much of last year. I think potatoes have always been in the carbo/grain portion of the pyramid. Altho, maybe I should get credit for eating the skin (G) Altho, I’m sure the pesticides counter any beneficial fiber. mmmmmmmmm, I love the skin – is the best part! Last week I discovered a great potato topper. Hidden Valley Ranch markets a dry dressing packet called *fiesta dip* – kind of on the southwestern side, a little zippy but not overly spicy. Mix it with one cup of fat free sour cream and 8 ounces of softened fat free cream cheese. I used a hand mixer to blend it with, so it would be smooth. Chill for about an hour. Nice and thick, very flavorful. 2T came out to about half a point … 1 full point if you use the light cream cheese instead of fat free. I’ve tried it both ways and honestly can’t tell the difference (and I really don’t like the fat free cream cheese). This also makes a great veggie dip!
I weaned myself from stuff of any kind of my potatoes a few years back other than salt and pepper. Sometimes I will put salsa on them. Or I eat them (here he goes again) with picked herring (hot potato and cold herring is perfect!) and the herring "juice" will flavor the potato. As for sending you on a mission – I thought that the WW Online would have the info she was looking for and since you are an OLD (g) hand at WW-Online, you would be able to tell her where to look. I probably need to sit down and re-read the pamphlets again so reacquaintment myself with portions, too. the ww website is really clunky to use, very difficult to find any specific information. I really only use it for the journal and food database info. I don’t ever recall seeing anything stating exactly what size a serving should be … other than 3 ounces of meat is equal to the size of your palm, that type of thing.
The ONLINE came up yesterday at our meeting. A few folks mentioned that they like the journaling but not the general site. Others liked none of the e-site. WI in about 2 hours. Is there one more week of NAFC? Or do I need to find Shylock this morning for my pound of flesh to reach my nafc goal!!!!! Yup, one more week to go on the NAFC. I see you are really close to your goal, bet you’ll see it this next week!
We shall see. I should drop my points and get a ton of exercise (G) Last night, for some reason in a more ravenous mood, Salsa at 9:30pm! About a cup. More veggies! I love salsa, but also like it with tortilla chips – so I tend to stay away from it. It’s one of those trigger foods. I do use it in eggs though, and mix with fat free sour cream for salad dressing. I’m wierd! LOL
I have always preferred potato chips to the others but found a few like black bean chips and some flavored with lime juice terrific. Fred 219.2/178/176 (next 10% goal)
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Onion Rings a vegetable, huh. Oh, boy. But like my Pastrami sub – if it works for you, it works. That really is dawning on me. WW will allow our diversions and indiscretions as long as we figure them in.
I like me onion rings. <g Don’t have them often, but will admit that this is one thing I won’t give up. Today was another one of those *not enough fruits/veggies* days. I feel like I ate a ton, but I don’t think it added up to the 5 servings … maybe it did, was hard to do an actual count. Lunch consisted of leftover tomato/veggie soup. I had 2 cups of soup, counted it as one veggie serving … but maybe it was 2? I made a huge bowl of cut up fresh fruit to go with dinner (fake egg baked omelet, canadian bacon, light wheat toast, hash browns for those that wanted) – had a small bowl of fruit while waiting for daughter to return from softball – then a larger portion at dinner. Again, only counted each as 1 serving. So I figure this anywhere from 3-5 servings … not sure where it ended up, but I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it. The old me wouldn’t have even bothered making it at all! I think potatoes have always been in the carbo/grain portion of the pyramid. Altho, maybe I should get credit for eating the skin (G) Altho, I’m sure the pesticides counter any beneficial fiber.
mmmmmmmmm, I love the skin – is the best part! Last week I discovered a great potato topper. Hidden Valley Ranch markets a dry dressing packet called *fiesta dip* – kind of on the southwestern side, a little zippy but not overly spicy. Mix it with one cup of fat free sour cream and 8 ounces of softened fat free cream cheese. I used a hand mixer to blend it with, so it would be smooth. Chill for about an hour. Nice and thick, very flavorful. 2T came out to about half a point … 1 full point if you use the light cream cheese instead of fat free. I’ve tried it both ways and honestly can’t tell the difference (and I really don’t like the fat free cream cheese). This also makes a great veggie dip! As for sending you on a mission – I thought that the WW Online would have the info she was looking for and since you are an OLD (g) hand at WW-Online, you would be able to tell her where to look. I probably need to sit down and re-read the pamphlets again so reacquaintment myself with portions, too.
the ww website is really clunky to use, very difficult to find any specific information. I really only use it for the journal and food database info. I don’t ever recall seeing anything stating exactly what size a serving should be … other than 3 ounces of meat is equal to the size of your palm, that type of thing. WI in about 2 hours. Is there one more week of NAFC? Or do I need to find Shylock this morning for my pound of flesh to reach my nafc goal!!!!!
Yup, one more week to go on the NAFC. I see you are really close to your goal, bet you’ll see it this next week! Last night, for some reason in a more ravenous mood, Salsa at 9:30pm! About a cup. More veggies!
I love salsa, but also like it with tortilla chips – so I tend to stay away from it. It’s one of those trigger foods. I do use it in eggs though, and mix with fat free sour cream for salad dressing. I’m wierd! LOL Joyce 228.8/146.5/150 — 2/21/03 – total lost 82.3 lbs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure Fred, send ME on a mission! <grin I did find a link for the food pyramid that also gave serving size equivalents. Thanks for sending the challenge my way. <g Like you, I don’t count potatoes as veggies either. I did in the beginning, but found that I really wasn’t eating enough *real* fruit/veggies then. Most of the time it’s easy for me to get those fruits and veggies in, but I do have my moments. Have had to resort to counting onion rings as a vegetable on occassion. <g Joyce 228.8/146.5/150 — 2/21/03 – total lost 82.3 lbs. Potato is NOT a veggie. A baked sweet potato is 3 points. Same for a white potato. I think 1 cup is the same for both. I just tend to eat my veggies without worring too much. Carrots can start adding up but only after a cup or more towards points. Joyce might be able to help you locate stuff ONLINE Welcome and good luck. Hi, I’m Diane. I’ve posted a few times today, but mostly I’ve been lurking for the last few weeks. I started the on-line weight watchers program about 2 weeks ago, and have been very pleased with it. I hate "diets", but this isn’t so much "dieting" as controlling what I eat (okay, the difference is subtle, but it’s meaningful to me). I like the flexibility – my husband and I can eat the same food, I just eat less. And I like being able to allow for some "junk" (I have a weakness for Sorbet). I don’t want to focus on how much I weigh or how much I’m losing, I’d rather focus on the process and try to make this a life change. Let’s just say I want to lose quite a few pounds, but I’m not in a hurry. ;-) Anyway, on to the question: Can anyone point me to a guide that tells how big a "portion" of vegetables is? On the journal, there are 5 little vegetable symbols that need to be checked off as I eat 5 portions of veges each day. But I have no idea what *one* vegetable is, and I can’t find the info in the on-line literature. I will sometimes eat a cup of sweet potato as an emergency dinner (when I work late) – is this one vegetable? Two? How about spahetti sauce? If I eat a small banana, is that 1/2 vege ( take one point for it, since a large banana is 2 points) ? I guess this is a bit obsessive, but I want to learn what is "right". Any input would be appreciated. TIA. Diane Fred 219.2/178.2/176 (next 10% goal) Fred 219.2/178.2/176 (next 10% goal)
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Onion Rings a vegetable, huh. Oh, boy. But like my Pastrami sub – if it works for you, it works. That really is dawning on me. WW will allow our diversions and indiscretions as long as we figure them in. I think potatoes have always been in the carbo/grain portion of the pyramid. Altho, maybe I should get credit for eating the skin (G) Altho, I’m sure the pesticides counter any beneficial fiber. As for sending you on a mission – I thought that the WW Online would have the info she was looking for and since you are an OLD (g) hand at WW-Online, you would be able to tell her where to look. I probably need to sit down and re-read the pamphlets again so reacquaintment myself with portions, too. WI in about 2 hours. Is there one more week of NAFC? Or do I need to find Shylock this morning for my pound of flesh to reach my nafc goal!!!!! Last night, for some reason in a more ravenous mood, Salsa at 9:30pm! About a cup. More veggies! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure Fred, send ME on a mission! <grin I did find a link for the food pyramid that also gave serving size equivalents. Thanks for sending the challenge my way. <g Like you, I don’t count potatoes as veggies either. I did in the beginning, but found that I really wasn’t eating enough *real* fruit/veggies then. Most of the time it’s easy for me to get those fruits and veggies in, but I do have my moments. Have had to resort to counting onion rings as a vegetable on occassion. <g Joyce 228.8/146.5/150 — 2/21/03 – total lost 82.3 lbs. Potato is NOT a veggie. A baked sweet potato is 3 points. Same for a white potato. I think 1 cup is the same for both. I just tend to eat my veggies without worring too much. Carrots can start adding up but only after a cup or more towards points. Joyce might be able to help you locate stuff ONLINE Welcome and good luck. Hi, I’m Diane. I’ve posted a few times today, but mostly I’ve been lurking for the last few weeks. I started the on-line weight watchers program about 2 weeks ago, and have been very pleased with it. I hate "diets", but this isn’t so much "dieting" as controlling what I eat (okay, the difference is subtle, but it’s meaningful to me). I like the flexibility – my husband and I can eat the same food, I just eat less. And I like being able to allow for some "junk" (I have a weakness for Sorbet). I don’t want to focus on how much I weigh or how much I’m losing, I’d rather focus on the process and try to make this a life change. Let’s just say I want to lose quite a few pounds, but I’m not in a hurry. ;-) Anyway, on to the question: Can anyone point me to a guide that tells how big a "portion" of vegetables is? On the journal, there are 5 little vegetable symbols that need to be checked off as I eat 5 portions of veges each day. But I have no idea what *one* vegetable is, and I can’t find the info in the on-line literature. I will sometimes eat a cup of sweet potato as an emergency dinner (when I work late) – is this one vegetable? Two? How about spahetti sauce? If I eat a small banana, is that 1/2 vege ( take one point for it, since a large banana is 2 points) ? I guess this is a bit obsessive, but I want to learn what is "right". Any input would be appreciated. TIA. Diane Fred 219.2/178.2/176 (next 10% goal)
Fred 219.2/178.2/176 (next 10% goal)
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I use www.weightlossresources.co.uk to journal all my food intake and it calculates the portions for me. They have a UK and a US database and I find it excellent. It costs me
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