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My first visit to this group as I figured you all here probably know more about the diffrerent ways to relieve pain than anyone else. I finished chemotherapy for breast cancer at the beginning of January. I’m doing well and starting to feel normal again finally. However about a month after finishing chemo I started getting aches and pains all over my body. From what I have read this is quite common for chemo patients. They say it eventually goes away. For some quite quickly, for others, not for years. Have there been any discussions on this group about magnetic therapy that someone can point me to? I would imagine that this subject has been discussed here. I’m asking about the products that you would buy directly from the manufacturer with a money-back guarantee. Not the stuff that they have for sale in most stores that you walk into. Any info would be appreciated. Thanx, jane
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Hi Jane, If you’re interested, we have an online magnetic therapy guide and lots of info posted at our web site: http://www.magnapak.com/index.html Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My first visit to this group as I figured you all here probably know more about the diffrerent ways to relieve pain than anyone else. I finished chemotherapy for breast cancer at the beginning of January. I’m doing well and starting to feel normal again finally. However about a month after finishing chemo I started getting aches and pains all over my body. From what I have read this is quite common for chemo patients. They say it eventually goes away. For some quite quickly, for others, not for years. Have there been any discussions on this group about magnetic therapy that someone can point me to? I would imagine that this subject has been discussed here. I’m asking about the products that you would buy directly from the manufacturer with a money-back guarantee. Not the stuff that they have for sale in most stores that you walk into. Any info would be appreciated. Thanx, jane
Before you buy.
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OK. You have finally made a statement of fact. How does a therapeutic magnet differ from a refrigerator magnet?
Hi William, You know, I think you’ve firmly established your skepticism of magnets. If you feel the need to repeatedly challenge someone over the subject of magnets, why not take on the people selling them and leave people who are only posting about their experiences alone? Denise
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I just rec’d a magnet strip from a rep of Nikken. Does anyone know anything about this company?
Multi-loser marketing scam, apparently based in Japan. Recently, several ‘reps’ have been spamming the support groups. They’ve got a website, but it doesn’t have much info on the products, only on the organization and commission structure. My curiousity is almost, but not quite, to the point of going to look to see if there really are any published double-blind studies on the use of magnets for pain treatment… — DO NOT SEND UNSOLICITED BULK MAIL TO THIS ADDRESS
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My curiousity is almost, but not quite, to the point of going to look to see if there really are any published double-blind studies on the use of magnets for pain treatment…
Hi Howard, I’ve taken the liberty of reprinting a report on a double-blind study on magnets for pain relief that Marlynn was kind enough to post awhile ago. Coincidently, there was a brief segment on Dateline (NBC) tonight regarding magnets. A doctor at Vanderbilt (I think) has been doing research on them for years. He was the 27th doctor this teenager in Tennesee had been to seeking pain relief. The kid even had his appendix taken out ‘coz some doc thought that was the source of the pain. The magnets worked for the kid and NBC did refer to this Baylor study. (see, Marlynn, I *do* pay attention to this stuff!;) Denise Subj: Re: Re Baylor Study on Post Polio Patients Here is a news release about the magnet therapy research at Baylor College of Medicine. Magnet therapy reduces pain in post-polio patients HOUSTON–(Nov. 3, 1997)–A small magnet strapped to post-polio patients’ most sensitive sore spots reduced pain acutely in a study of 50 people at Baylor College of Medicine and The Institute for Rehabilitation and Research (TIRR) in Houston. Results of the double-blind study were published in the November issue of the Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. "The majority of patients in the study who received treatment with a magnet reported a significant decrease in pain, and most of the patients who were given a placebo, or inactive magnet, reported very little or no improvement," said principal investigator Dr. Carlos Vallbona. He is a professor of family and community medicine and physical medicine and rehabilitation at Baylor and director of the Post-Polio Clinic at TIRR. Vallbona evaluated the magnet therapy in adults diagnosed with post-polio syndrome who were experiencing arthritic pain in the joints or had identifiable points of pain in their muscles. Thirty-nine women and 11 men participated in the study. Most were in their 50s and had developed post-polio syndrome during their 40s. All patients were asked to press on the "trigger point" where they felt the severest pain and rank that pain on a scale of one to 10, with 10 being the worst. The patients were then randomly given an active or inactive magnet to strap against their trigger point for 45 minutes. After the magnets were removed, patients rated the intensity of their pain again. Twenty-nine participants received an active magnet. Their average score of pain was 9.6 before the treatment, and 4.4 after wearing the magnet. The placebo group had an average pain score of 9.5 before treatment, and 8.4 afterward. The low-intensity magnets, less than a half-inch thick and slightly stronger than refrigerator magnets, were available in four formats to accommodate different areas of the body: a credit-card- size rectangle, a six-inch strip almost two inches wide, a disc the size of a silver dollar and a disc the size of a CD. "Seventy-six percent of the patients who had the active magnet reported a decrease in pain, but only 19 percent of the patients treated with a placebo felt an improvement," Vallbona said. None of the patients reported any side effects from the treatment. "We do not have a clear explanation for the significant and quick pain relief observed by the patients in our study," Vallbona said. "It’s possible that the magnetic energy affects the pain receptors in the joints or muscles or lowers the sensation of pain in the brain." The Baylor-TIRR study consisted of one treatment per patient and did not evaluate how long the reported pain relief lasted. Vallbona said more research is needed to determine whether magnet therapy should be recommended as an alternative to the standard treatments for pain in post-polio patients, such as physical therapy, support braces, muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatory drugs and other medication. Vallbona’s co-principal investigator for the study was Dr. Carlton F. Hazlewood, Baylor professor of molecular physiology and biophysics. BIOflex, Inc., a company in Corpus Christi, Texas, provided magnets for the study.
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What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into. — Ron Joiner
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What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into. — Ron Joiner
Sorry "OA" in the neck.
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? WB
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: Magnetic Therapy What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into.
Hi Ron, I personally use magnets and do find them very helpful. I have used them for many years for arthritis in my fingers, hips and chronic lower back pain. The ones that I use and hightly recommend are called "rare earth neodymium" magnets. They are a very small (size of a dime) and have the strength of one 20 times their size. A new book just came out called Magnet Therapy – The Pain Cure Alternative by Drs. Ron Lawrence and Paul J. Rosch. I purchased mine at Barnes & Nobel. It’s filled withe interesting information, lots of case studies, many of which deal with arthritic sufferers. They talk about this specific type of magnet and the ways in which it can be used to help alleviate pain; much of which I have discovered on my own just by using and experimenting over the past years. I’ve also learned a lot of new things. These are permanent magnets not electro magnets. These are not the ones that they were talking about being cancer producing. AND, as a matter of fact,a study came out recently with proof of the fact that the electro magnetic fields that surround some areas (high tension wires, etc.) are not cancer producing. I don’t know this personally, I am just relating what I have heard. The only thing that I can vouch for personally is that these permanent magnets do work for hundreds of thousands of people world wide and have for many years. If you have any other questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. I think I’m the only one on the board that uses this particular type of magnet. They are the newest technology today in magnet field therapy. All magnets are not the same and there are lots of companies out there selling garbage for very high prices. These magnets are also not expensive, non-invasive to the body except for their energy, and will not harm anyone the way so many of the meds do. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. —
Hi Norman, Read the book that I mentioned in my previous post. I think that you will find it very enlightening. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects?
Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big Alternative by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects.
I am sorry that my sarcasm did not get throught in my original post. I was trying to emphasize the ridiculous attribution of therapeutic capability to magnetism. This practice dates back at least as far as Mesmer. Benjamin Franklin showed that the principle at work was gullability. You mention case studies, but you do not mention CONTROLLED studies. This message is not aimed at you personally. It is aimed at all who pomulgate unsubstantiated health claims. William Buchman
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big Alternative by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects. I am sorry that my sarcasm did not get throught in my original post. I was trying to emphasize the ridiculous attribution of therapeutic capability to magnetism. This practice dates back at least as far as Mesmer. Benjamin Franklin showed that the principle at work was gullability. You mention case studies, but you do not mention CONTROLLED studies. This message is not aimed at you personally. It is aimed at all who pomulgate unsubstantiated health claims. William Buchman </PRE</HTML
Billy, I didn’t realize that you posted this to the board. I though it was to me personally. If you would like to post my answer to you I have no objection. I don’t feel like typing the whole thing again. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? WB
Where in the world did you get that magnets cause cancer?
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This is kind of a long story and I’m not going into a lot of details. I have been talking to a researcher at a company that develops agricultural products and what he had to say was most interesting. He said that they know that bovine colostrum impacts arthritis in a big, positive way and they would like to get into the human side of using it for medicinal purposes – but with FDA regulations being what they are, he doubted the company ever would. He said it also seems to help in some but not all cases of autoimmunity conditions – he said he’s seen some remarkable reversals of conditions with its use. I was thinking of trying bovine colostrum, but I’m still a bit hesitant to commit the money. Anyway, I just thought I would throw this out there because the researcher was objective, not trying to sell me his product – which is meant for calves and sheep.
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I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
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Hi Marilyn, I think ‘twould be better to try homo sapiens colostrum.
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Hi Marilyn I’m curious as to the by-product of your study on Bovine Colostrum. I remember in the 5th grade in 1954 our enlightnened teacher instgructed us in the benefits of copper in the cure for arthritis. As for me, I prefer the green wrist look to having refridgerator magnets scotch taped to my knees. Larry Ward
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky
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As for me, I prefer the green wrist look to having refridgerator magnets scotch taped to my knees. Larry Ward
Larry, If you think that Therapeutic Magnets have anything to do with refridgerator magnets you are greatly mistaken. I wouild be happy to educate you if you are interested. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky
And I know of people who have had positive results from magnets the size of a quarter. Good luck with finding out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines.
I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky And I know of people who have had positive results from magnets the size of a quarter. Good luck with finding out.
I just rec’d a magnet strip from a rep of Nikken. Does anyone know anything about this company? Ron
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Ms LVP wrote in article I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness
Does this perhaps explain why I can’t get my compass to point to north when I’m indoors? Anybody else had that experience? ;-) is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
– Don
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If you think that Therapeutic Magnets have anything to do with refridgerator magnets you are greatly mistaken. I wouild be happy to educate you if you are interested.
OK. You have finally made a statement of fact. How does a therapeutic magnet differ from a refrigerator magnet? William Buchman Why seek truth when error is more fun?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
In many countries, including Japan, the magnetic products are classified as medical devices and their use it taught in Med schools!
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As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
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WOW! You’ve blown me away with your even posting this information Billy. Thank you for having an open mind and reporting what you heard. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
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It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment …SNIP
I believe I have an open mind regarding magnetic possibilities. What really turns me against magnet manufacturers is that they refuse to support tests like these. It seems they are willing to wait until someone else spends money to prove magnets work. The sad part to me is that these studies can cost very little compared to the profits made. In the meantime people may risk further injury thinking the placebo effect is the real treatment and cure.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! You’ve blown me away with your even posting this information Billy. Thank you for having an open mind and reporting what you heard. Marlynn
My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics. Bill
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My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics.
I’m pretty open to the possibility that magnets may work for some pain. After all, nerve impulses are electrical in nature, and it seems to me that a magnetic field *could* influence that. However, when people start talking about magnets actually *curing* conditions, it’s going to take a lot of proof to get me to accept that. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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Steve, I don’t think that anyone posting any information on this or any other NG has ever said that magnets cure anything. It is the way the people on this NG interpret what people who use or sell magnets say. MAGNETS DO NOT CURE, but they do help to alleviate pain in many situations and are non-invasive. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics. I’m pretty open to the possibility that magnets may work for some pain. After all, nerve impulses are electrical in nature, and it seems to me that a magnetic field *could* influence that. However, when people start talking about magnets actually *curing* conditions, it’s going to take a lot of proof to get me to accept that. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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Steve, I don’t think that anyone posting any information on this or any other NG has ever said that magnets cure anything. It is the way the people on this NG interpret what people who use or sell magnets say. MAGNETS DO NOT CURE, but they do help to alleviate pain in many situations and are non-invasive. Marlynn
Marlynn, usenet is awfully big to think that *no one* has ever said that magnets cure! <BEG Do a search on Deja News, I’m sure that someone has made the claim. (along with any number of others!) 
I wasn’t talking about this NG specifically, but I have seen plenty of claims that magnets cure illnesses, in various places, especially on the web. Here’s an excerpt from a website: "Magnetic Health Quarterly" Newsletter Four times a year, Dr. Philpott discusses a Timely Topic in "The Magnetic Health Quarterly" newsletter. This is the most practical "How To" information on the market today. It takes the Guesswork out of Magnetic therapy. You will discover new insights, and a new approach, to many of your health problems. What you’ll learn will not only amaze you, but give you a renewed sense of hope. He discusses topics such as:- 1. Magnetic Pain Relief. 2. Magnetic Reversal Of Diabetes Mellitus. 3. Magnetic Reversal of Atherosclerosis and Arteriosclerosis. The Magnetic Health Quarterly is Dr. Philpott’s most advanced, and most documented information. You will gain a thorough understanding of what to do, How to do it, and why!
When people talk about reversing serious illness with magnets, I just find it difficult to accept anything they say. These extreme claims are one of the reasons that people are so sceptical of magnets in general. Last winter I shoveled out a couple, who’s car was snowed in at the hotel where I work. They told me that they were doing a magnet demonstration at the retirement home down the street. We got to talking, and the man told me that he slept with a magnetic mask that kept him from having asthma attacks. I just can’t buy into the possibility that magnets can stop asthma. All I’m saying, is that those types of claims are one of the reasons that people don’t take magnets seriously. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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All I’m saying, is that those types of claims are one of the reasons that people don’t take magnets seriously.
Oh, I take magnets very seriously. Life as we know it today would be totally impossible without magnets. Motors and generators would not work. As help for arthritis, however, hee hee haw, until they are PROVEN to be useful. Bill
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I believe I have an open mind regarding magnetic possibilities. What really turns me against magnet manufacturers is that they refuse to support tests like these.
The manufacturers supplied the magnets for the Baylor post polio pain study and the Weintraub diabetic neuropathy pain study and the fibromyalgia pain study. I have read a criticism of the Baylor study which said the results were suspect because the researchers had used magnets on themselves before using them on their patients and were therefore biased. Can you blame the manufacturers from standing back from such studies in case that their funding or involvement was used as an excuse to negate the study. In the meantime people may risk further injury thinking the placebo
effect is the real treatment and cure. First, magnotherapy does not cure any condition, it merely makes the symptoms more bearable. It is a complementary therapy to be used alongside conventional treatment. Surely these studies have shown that for post polio pain relief and diabetic neuropathy pain relief, magnotherapy works better than the placebo effect. What more do you need. Or do you want a study on every medical condition which can produce pain before you will accept that magnotherapy is a useful aid to pain relief. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some. Dawn0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
– "If you have a garden and a library you have everything you need" Cicero
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I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some.
Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time? Bill
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Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time?
I would say more likely that every time they cut, you may have a different outcome. Depends how much blood supply to that particular area, natural healing of that person’s body at that period of time, any drugs that were being taken at the same time that might have inhibitted healing, how much flexing the site was getting which could affect the healing, general health condition of the person… a sample of two incisions that are not controlled is just too small to draw any conclusions. Best regards,
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This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some. Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time? Bill
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This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn
What is the evidence that these assertions are true??? Bill
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Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn What is the evidence that these assertions are true??? Bill
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Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though.
I do not believe that for a moment! Bill
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I would have been shocked had you answered any differently. Your loss. Why don’t you read some of the books. Won’t even cost you a penny. Sit at one of the lovely book stores and read away. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though. I do not believe that for a moment! Bill
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I don’t need to read a book. I know from experience. I have heard that they help some people but not all. I was given magnetic insoles to wear for plantar fasciitis. They did not work at all for me. But that is just me. Not all "treatments" work equally for all people. You must keep that in mind in your blanket statements.
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I don’t need to read a book. I know from experience. I have heard that they help some people but not all. I was given magnetic insoles to wear for plantar fasciitis. They did not work at all for me. But that is just me. Not all "treatments" work equally for all people. You must keep that in mind in your blanket statements.
Suppose a malady can get worse by itself, or better by itself. For arguments’s sake, say it is 50/50. Further suppose that you heard that drinking water while pinching your nose shut, will alleviate the problem. You think it is worth a shot so you drink water that way. There is a human tendency for those nose pinchers who improve to say that nose pinching is a wonderful therapy. The ones who did not improve say that it did just did not work for them but it was worth trying something so simple. Why cannot most of the improved nose pinchers to consider that that nose pinching has nothing to do with it? Bill
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suppose a malady can get worse by itself, or better by itself. For arguments’s sake, say it is 50/50. Further suppose that you heard that drinking water while pinching your nose shut, will alleviate the problem. You think it is worth a shot so you drink water that way. There is a human tendency for those nose pinchers who improve to say that nose pinching is a wonderful therapy. The ones who did not improve say that it did just did not work for them but it was worth trying something so simple. Why cannot most of the improved nose pinchers to consider that that nose pinching has nothing to do with it?
That’s what the studies are for. I’ve posted the URL’s here before, and they are on my website. Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suppose a malady can get worse by itself, or better by itself. For arguments’s sake, say it is 50/50. Further suppose that you heard that drinking water while pinching your nose shut, will alleviate the problem. You think it is worth a shot so you drink water that way. There is a human tendency for those nose pinchers who improve to say that nose pinching is a wonderful therapy. The ones who did not improve say that it did just did not work for them but it was worth trying something so simple. Why cannot most of the improved nose pinchers to consider that that nose pinching has nothing to do with it? That’s what the studies are for. I’ve posted the URL’s here before, and they are on my website. Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study.
No! I will not accept that! I looked at your web page. I will not believe that anyone with personal scientific experience would write that. Magnetic fuel conditioning. What next. You will hear people saying that it will condition hard water. Oops. People are already being scammed that way. Bill the skeptic
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Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study. No! I will not accept that! I looked at your web page. I will not believe that anyone with personal scientific experience would write that.
Forget my page for now, look at the two studies and tell me what is wrong with them. Those two studies were done in the US and showed that magnets could relieve pain. If you cannot accept them, tell us why not. The only possible reason I can think of is that the studies are relatively small, but they showed that magnets could reduce the level of pain felt by the users. If you are in pain, magnets may be a viable option for you. They are certainly not a scam. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Now that is funny. Come back to MHA and post that site so we can do something about your server. Harv Houston,Tx They are certainly not a scam. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBai.html Surround Sound for Television
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Here are the sites again. Read them and take up any arguments with the people who wrote them. The magnotherapy and pain relief studies The Washington Post printed the article about the Baylor post polio pain study http://www.astro.queensu.ca/~bworth/Health/Alternative/Magnetic/baylor_s tudy.html NBC New York aired the item about the Weintraub diabetic neuropathy pain study http://www.health-magnets.com/nbcarticle.htm The US Dept of Energy produced the report on Water conditioning by magnetic fields http://www.pnl.gov/fta/11_non.htm If you still think magnotherapy is a scam after that, then you are a fool. Some magnetic salesmen might be con-men, but magnotherapy for pain reduction is no scam. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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I am trying to find information on the effectiveness of magnetic therapy and whether the products the various companies sell (particularly Nikken) work. So far everything I’ve been able to find on the net is stuff written by companies selling product and I’d like to find if there is any independant research. Thanks. John
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John, You might check out Gary Null’s book called "Healing with Magnets"
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If you are interested in using magnets, I’ve used them for many years and swear by them. I mainly use magnets called rare earth neodymium, and in some products magnets that are hi-energy ceramic. These magnets have worked for me more often than not. I have used them for things such as headaches, OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur. They definitely work to take the pain away, which in some cases never comes back. Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have (w/6 of the neodymium magnets) and the pain diminishes greatly. . Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to find information on the effectiveness of magnetic therapy and whether the products the various companies sell (particularly Nikken) work. So far everything I’ve been able to find on the net is stuff written by companies selling product and I’d like to find if there is any independant research. Thanks. John
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Here a few medical journal abstracts on magnetic therapy found by the National Library of Medicine medline search. You can search for free via http://igm.nlm.nih.gov National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Use of magnet therapy to heal an abdominal wound: a case study. AUTHORS: Szor JK; Topp R AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Toledo Hospital, Ohio, USA. SOURCE: Ostomy Wound Manage 1998 May;44(5):24-9 CITATION IDS: PMID: 9697544 UI: 98362883 ABSTRACT: Complementary therapies, in particular magnet therapy, may have benefits to offer in healing chronic wounds. This case study involves a 51 year old paraplegic woman with an abdominal wound that had been present for one year. Traditional approaches to wound care had not achieved complete healing. Prior to surgical intervention, the patient consented to the application of magnet therapy over her usual wound dressing. In one month, the wound completely healed. On the basis of this case, further investigation of magnet therapy for wound healing appears to be warranted. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: Abdominal Abscess/*therapy Cellulitis/*therapy Magnetics/*therapeutic use *Wound Healing ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Alternative Medicine Case Report Chronic Disease Female Human Middle Age Paraplegia/complications PUBLICATION TYPES: JOURNAL ARTICLE LANGUAGES: Eng National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Successful treatment of an acute exacerbation of multiple sclerosis by external magnetic fields. AUTHORS: Sandyk R; Derpapas AUTHOR AFFILIATION: NeuroCommunication Research Laboratories, Danbury, CT 06811. SOURCE: Int J Neurosci 1993 May;70(1-2):97-105 CITATION IDS: PMID: 8083029 UI: 94364783 ABSTRACT: A 55 year old woman with multiple sclerosis presented with a 5 week history of an exacerbation of symptoms. Prominent among these symptoms was trigeminal neuralgia, migraine headaches, blurring of vision, and ataxia of gait. While treatment with carbamazepine (TegretolR) (800 mg/d) and oral prednisolone (15 mg/d) over a 4 week period produced no improvement in symptoms, externally applied magnetic fields (MF) (7.5 picoTesla; 5 Hz) placed over the scalp for a 7 minute period on three different days resulted in a complete resolution of symptoms within two weeks of initiation of treatment. Partial relief of the neuralgic pain and headaches was obtained immediately after completion of the first treatment indicating that resolution of symptoms was related to the eff ects of MF and not to a spontaneous remission. This is the first report demonstrating the clinical efficacy of pico Tesla range MF in rapidly resolving an acute relapse of MS. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: *Electromagnetic Fields Multiple Sclerosis/*therapy ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Case Report Facial Expression Female Human Middle Age Migraine/complications Multiple Sclerosis/complications Serotonin Treatment Outcome Trigeminal Neuralgia/complications PUBLICATION TYPES: JOURNAL ARTICLE CAS REGISTRY NUMBERS: 50-67-9 (Serotonin) LANGUAGES: Eng National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Initial exploration of pulsing electromagnetic fields for treatment of migraine. AUTHORS: Sherman RA; Robson L; Marden LA AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Service of Orthopedic Surgery, Madigan Army Medical Center, Tacoma, Wash. 98431, USA. SOURCE: Headache 1998 Mar;38(3):208-13 CITATION IDS: PMID: 9563212 UI: 98224316 ABSTRACT: Two studies were conducted during which 23 patients with chronic migraine were exposed to pulsing electromagnetic fields over the inner thigh. In an open study, 11 subjects kept a 2-week headache log before and after 2 to 3 weeks of exposure to pulsing electromagnetic fields for 1 hour per day, 5 days per week. The number of headaches per week decreased from 4.03 during the baseline period to 0.43 during the initial 2-week follow-up period and to 0.14 during the extended follow- up which averaged 8.1 months. In a double-blind study, 9 subjects kept a 3-week log of headache activity and were randomly assigned to receive 2 weeks of real or placebo pulsing electromagnetic field exposures as described above. They were subsequently switched to 2 weeks of the other mode, after which they kept a final 3-week log. Three additional subjects in the blind study inadvertently received half-power pulsing electromagnetic field exposures. The 6 subjects exposed to the actual device first showed a change in headache activity from 3.32 per week to 0.58 per week. The 3 subjects exposed to only half the dose showed no change in headache activity. Large controlled studies should be performed to determine whether this intervention is actually effective. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: *Electromagnetic Fields Migraine/*therapy ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Adult Aged Chronic Disease Double-Blind Method Female Follow-Up Studies Human Male Middle Age Migraine/physiopathology Support, U.S. Gov’t, Non-P.H.S. Thigh/blood supply PUBLICATION TYPES: CLINICAL TRIAL JOURNAL ARTICLE RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIAL LANGUAGES: Eng
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OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc.
THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur.
This can be construed to be making a medical claim…….quite illegal. They definitely work to take the pain away,
pain is considered a medical term, hence: medical claim Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have
hmmmmm…..OA? is that short for a medical disease?
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OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of.
One of the things to remember is that this is an international board. While those of us in the USA might want to be playing by the FDA rules they do not pertain to our international friends. I have no idea who posted the original message about osteoarthritis but thought a simple reminder that we are not all playing by the same rules would be prudent. Susan
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The claims made below were strictly mine about my own personal experience using neodymium magnets. My claims are true….these are my conditions so what is the problem here? Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur. This can be construed to be making a medical claim…….quite illegal. They definitely work to take the pain away, pain is considered a medical term, hence: medical claim Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have hmmmmm…..OA? is that short for a medical disease?
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My daughter has just been diagnosed with TMJ. Has anyone heard of using magnetic therapy for this?
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My daughter has just been diagnosed with TMJ. Has anyone heard of using magnetic therapy for this?
Yes, we have a couple of dentist who use the products in their practice and it has helped with TMJ. If you would like, I can get you in touch with them. – Jim
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re TMJ and magnetic therapy, I’ve used one for my neck and back at times and do feel relief. I can see no reason why it wouldn’t work as well for TMJ. Here’s something else to try if that doesn’t work: I have fibromyalgia and have spent much time with a physical therapist (with a prescription from my rheumatologist so it’s covered by insurance.) The therapist also showed me how to do therapy on my own TMJ – a procedure using pressure on the inside and back of the lower molars from inside the mouth. It sounds strange but it does work. Make sure the therapist knows what (s)he is doing as it could also make you worse if it’s not done right. Good luck!
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| Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
Why are you skeptial? If this therapy works, then why question it results. There appears to no side effects from this treatment.
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writes: Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
I believe Jane Heimlich writes about magnet therapy in her book "What Your Doctor Won’t Tell You." You can probably find it in most of the larger chain bookstores. She also writes about other alternative therapies like chelation, etc. She’s married to the "Heimlich Maneuver" guy, and is a champion of a lot of alternative approaches. Hope it helps.
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I have recently been introduced to the field of Magnetic Therapy, particularly in the use of pain control and increased circulation. As you may have guessed, I am skeptical, as are many of the people I have talked to about it. I have become a distributor of Magnetic therapy products, but I would like to find out if there are people doing studies on these devices, and if so where can I get the results. Any comments, what ever you have would be welcome. Jerry Wiebe
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Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
Hi Doug, I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems in most conditions. Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. –Gary
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
For anyone out there interested in doing a little reading on this subject the following list is for you. I have been sleeping on a magnetic mattress now for almost four years. My, own experience, I believe I sleep better on it than off. jim Received: from locator (occs2.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) Received: by locator (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) Status: RO 31 of 55 AUTHOR Biomagnetic Effects Workshop, 1978, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory TITLE Magnetic field effect on biological systems : based on the proceedings of the Biomagnetic Effects Workshop held at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, University of California, on April 6-7, 1978 PUBLISHER New York : Plenum, c1979. DESCRIPTION 108 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER BB5260 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Magnetics – congresses NOTES Limited cataloging. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 8106160 ISBN 0-306-40312-9. LC CARD NO 79-20739 32 of 55 AUTHOR Dubrov, A. P. (Aleksandr Petrovich) TITLE The geomagnetic field and life : geomagnetobiology Geomagnitnoe pole i zhizn’ : geomagnetobiology PUBLISHER New York : Plenum Press, c1978. DESCRIPTION xvii, 318 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 162.M3 D819g 1978a ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Magnetics Physiology NOTES Translation of Geomagnitnoe pole i zhizn’. Bilbiography: p. 255-311. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 7901234 ISBN 0-306-31072-4. LC CARD NO 78-1705 52 of 55 AUTHOR Barnothy, Madeleine F., 1904- TITLE Biological effects of magnetic fields. PUBLISHER New York, Plenum Press, 1964. DESCRIPTION ix, 324 p. illus. CALL NUMBER QT 34 B262b 1964 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Magnetics LANGUAGE English NLM UI 0001325 1 of 55 AUTHOR Bachmann, Kurt, 1929- Stefan, Hermann Vieth, Jurgen TITLE Biomagnetism : principles, models, and clinical research : proceedings of the opening symposium of the Biomagnetic Center Erlangen (5.-6. October 1990) PUBLISHER Erlangen : Verlag Palm & Enke, 1992. DESCRIPTION 118 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 34 B61125 1990 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biomedical Engineering – methods – congresses Electroencephalography – congresses Magnetics – diagnostic use – congresses Magnetoencephalography – congresses NOTES Includes bibliographical references and indexes. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9308754 ISBN 3-7896-0507-7. 2 of 55 AUTHOR Hoke, M. (Manfried) International Conference on Biomagnetism, 8th, 1991, Munster in Westfalen, Germany TITLE Biomagnetism : clinical aspects : proceedings of the 8th International Conference on Biomagnetism, Munster, 19-24 August, 1991 PUBLISHER Amsterdam ; New York : Excerpta Medica, 1992. DESCRIPTION xxii, 904 p. : ill. SERIES International congress series ; no. 988 CALL NUMBER W3 EX89 no.988 1992 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Brain Diseases – therapy – congresses Evoked Potentials – congresses Heart Diseases – therapy – congresses Magnetics – therapeutic use – congresses NOTES Includes bibliographical references and index. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9216444 ISBN 0-444-89268-0 (alk. paper). 3 of 55 AUTHOR Lissens, Mark A. TITLE Clinical applications of magnetic transcranial stimulation PUBLISHER Leuven : Uitgeverij Peeters, 1992. DESCRIPTION xi, 300 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER WL 300 C641 1992 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Central Nervous System Diseases – therapy Evoked Potentials Magnetics Physical Stimulation NOTES Includes bibliographical references. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9314351 ISBN 90-6831-434-3. 6 of 55 AUTHOR Philpott, William H., 1919- Taplin, Sharon Lindsay TITLE Biomagnetic handbook : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow Today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow Guide to medical magnetics, the energy medicine of tomorrow : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow PUBLISHER Choctaw, OK : Enviro-Tech Products, c1990. DESCRIPTION 97 leaves : ill. CALL NUMBER WB 890 P549b 1990 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Magnetics Alternative Medicine NOTES A Guide to medical magnetics, the energy medicine of tomorrow–Cover. Includes bibliographical references (leaves 92-93). LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9204875 8 of 55 AUTHOR Williamson, Samuel J. International Conference on Biomagnetism, 7th, 1989, New York, N.Y. TITLE Advances in biomagnetism PUBLISHER New York : Plenum Press, c1989. DESCRIPTION xx, 771 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 34 I61425a 1989 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Electromagnetics – congresses Evoked Potentials – congresses Magnetics – congresses NOTES Proceedings of the Seventh International Conference on Biomagnetism, held August 13-18, 1989, in New York, New York–T.p. verso. Includes bibliographical references and indexes. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9310981 ISBN 0-306-43483-0. LC CARD NO 89-49359 17 of 55 AUTHOR Evans, Bruce A. American Association of Electromyography and Electrodiagnosis TITLE Use of magnetic stimulation in the peripheral nervous system : an AAEE workshop PUBLISHER [Rochester, Minn.] : American Association of Electromyography and Electrodiagnosis, [c1988] DESCRIPTION 4 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER WB 141 E917u 1988 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Electric Stimulation – methods Electrodiagnosis – methods Magnetics Peripheral Nerves NOTES Includes bibliographical references (p. 4). LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9209125 29 of 55 AUTHOR Erne, S. N. (Sergio Nicola), 1944- Hahlbohm, H. D., 1930- Lubbig, H., 1932- International Workshop on Biomagnetism, 3rd, 1980, Berlin, Germany TITLE Biomagnetism : proceedings, Third International Workshop on Biomagnetism, Berlin (West), May 1980 PUBLISHER Berlin ; New York : Walter de Gruyter, 1981. DESCRIPTION xviii, 558 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER W3 IN9324NI 3rd 1980b ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biomedical Engineering – congresses Biophysics – congresses Magnetics – congresses NOTES Proceedings of earlier workshops not published. LANGUAGE
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JL Does anyone have any information on the benefits of Magnetic Therapy? JL I heard that this is a form of accupressure used successfully to JL relieve discomfort in the body. Any comments? It appears that this message is coming from Germany. Your name isn’t German, so I’m guessing your in the military. yes, I can give you some information on magnetic therapy. The Japanese have been using it for over 20 years. I heard that one out of 8 homes in Japan are using this new technology. The magnets are using in a rubberized material which is polarized so that it stimulates the body. Magnetic waves pass through the tissue and secondary currents are induced. This induction reduces pain and inflamation in the muscles and joints. Magnetic waves penetrate the skin, fatty tissues and bones, invigorating general metabolism. Magnetism seems to really stimulate circulation also. We have found the magnetic insoles to be the most effective product for most problems involving circulation or pain in the legs or back. My wife has been wearing them and they have done wonders for the pain she has due to adhesions. Magnetic therapy helps arthritic pain, headaches, muscle aches, etc. We have a friend who is going to have to have his spinal cord cut due to extreme pain in his body. We are going to have him to try the magnetic seat and insoles to see is this will help with the pain. If you have more questions feel free to respond. Ken ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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Does anyone have any information on the benefits of Magnetic Therapy? I heard that this is a form of accupressure used successfully to relieve discomfort in the body. Any comments? — – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Take the calculated risks; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. Enjoy the challenges of life and the thrill of fulfillment. * Origin: Medical System Munich
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OK. You have finally made a statement of fact. How does a therapeutic magnet differ from a refrigerator magnet?
Hi William, You know, I think you’ve firmly established your skepticism of magnets. If you feel the need to repeatedly challenge someone over the subject of magnets, why not take on the people selling them and leave people who are only posting about their experiences alone? Denise
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I just rec’d a magnet strip from a rep of Nikken. Does anyone know anything about this company?
Multi-loser marketing scam, apparently based in Japan. Recently, several ‘reps’ have been spamming the support groups. They’ve got a website, but it doesn’t have much info on the products, only on the organization and commission structure. My curiousity is almost, but not quite, to the point of going to look to see if there really are any published double-blind studies on the use of magnets for pain treatment… — DO NOT SEND UNSOLICITED BULK MAIL TO THIS ADDRESS
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My curiousity is almost, but not quite, to the point of going to look to see if there really are any published double-blind studies on the use of magnets for pain treatment…
Hi Howard, I’ve taken the liberty of reprinting a report on a double-blind study on magnets for pain relief that Marlynn was kind enough to post awhile ago. Coincidently, there was a brief segment on Dateline (NBC) tonight regarding magnets. A doctor at Vanderbilt (I think) has been doing research on them for years. He was the 27th doctor this teenager in Tennesee had been to seeking pain relief. The kid even had his appendix taken out ‘coz some doc thought that was the source of the pain. The magnets worked for the kid and NBC did refer to this Baylor study. (see, Marlynn, I *do* pay attention to this stuff!;) Denise Subj: Re: Re Baylor Study on Post Polio Patients Here is a news release about the magnet therapy research at Baylor College of Medicine. Magnet therapy reduces pain in post-polio patients HOUSTON–(Nov. 3, 1997)–A small magnet strapped to post-polio patients’ most sensitive sore spots reduced pain acutely in a study of 50 people at Baylor College of Medicine and The Institute for Rehabilitation and Research (TIRR) in Houston. Results of the double-blind study were published in the November issue of the Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. "The majority of patients in the study who received treatment with a magnet reported a significant decrease in pain, and most of the patients who were given a placebo, or inactive magnet, reported very little or no improvement," said principal investigator Dr. Carlos Vallbona. He is a professor of family and community medicine and physical medicine and rehabilitation at Baylor and director of the Post-Polio Clinic at TIRR. Vallbona evaluated the magnet therapy in adults diagnosed with post-polio syndrome who were experiencing arthritic pain in the joints or had identifiable points of pain in their muscles. Thirty-nine women and 11 men participated in the study. Most were in their 50s and had developed post-polio syndrome during their 40s. All patients were asked to press on the "trigger point" where they felt the severest pain and rank that pain on a scale of one to 10, with 10 being the worst. The patients were then randomly given an active or inactive magnet to strap against their trigger point for 45 minutes. After the magnets were removed, patients rated the intensity of their pain again. Twenty-nine participants received an active magnet. Their average score of pain was 9.6 before the treatment, and 4.4 after wearing the magnet. The placebo group had an average pain score of 9.5 before treatment, and 8.4 afterward. The low-intensity magnets, less than a half-inch thick and slightly stronger than refrigerator magnets, were available in four formats to accommodate different areas of the body: a credit-card- size rectangle, a six-inch strip almost two inches wide, a disc the size of a silver dollar and a disc the size of a CD. "Seventy-six percent of the patients who had the active magnet reported a decrease in pain, but only 19 percent of the patients treated with a placebo felt an improvement," Vallbona said. None of the patients reported any side effects from the treatment. "We do not have a clear explanation for the significant and quick pain relief observed by the patients in our study," Vallbona said. "It’s possible that the magnetic energy affects the pain receptors in the joints or muscles or lowers the sensation of pain in the brain." The Baylor-TIRR study consisted of one treatment per patient and did not evaluate how long the reported pain relief lasted. Vallbona said more research is needed to determine whether magnet therapy should be recommended as an alternative to the standard treatments for pain in post-polio patients, such as physical therapy, support braces, muscle relaxants, anti-inflammatory drugs and other medication. Vallbona’s co-principal investigator for the study was Dr. Carlton F. Hazlewood, Baylor professor of molecular physiology and biophysics. BIOflex, Inc., a company in Corpus Christi, Texas, provided magnets for the study.
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What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into. — Ron Joiner
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What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into. — Ron Joiner
Sorry "OA" in the neck.
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? WB
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: Magnetic Therapy What’s the latest on this for arthritis sufferers. I have OS in the neck region and I wonder if this is something I should look into.
Hi Ron, I personally use magnets and do find them very helpful. I have used them for many years for arthritis in my fingers, hips and chronic lower back pain. The ones that I use and hightly recommend are called "rare earth neodymium" magnets. They are a very small (size of a dime) and have the strength of one 20 times their size. A new book just came out called Magnet Therapy – The Pain Cure Alternative by Drs. Ron Lawrence and Paul J. Rosch. I purchased mine at Barnes & Nobel. It’s filled withe interesting information, lots of case studies, many of which deal with arthritic sufferers. They talk about this specific type of magnet and the ways in which it can be used to help alleviate pain; much of which I have discovered on my own just by using and experimenting over the past years. I’ve also learned a lot of new things. These are permanent magnets not electro magnets. These are not the ones that they were talking about being cancer producing. AND, as a matter of fact,a study came out recently with proof of the fact that the electro magnetic fields that surround some areas (high tension wires, etc.) are not cancer producing. I don’t know this personally, I am just relating what I have heard. The only thing that I can vouch for personally is that these permanent magnets do work for hundreds of thousands of people world wide and have for many years. If you have any other questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. I think I’m the only one on the board that uses this particular type of magnet. They are the newest technology today in magnet field therapy. All magnets are not the same and there are lots of companies out there selling garbage for very high prices. These magnets are also not expensive, non-invasive to the body except for their energy, and will not harm anyone the way so many of the meds do. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. —
Hi Norman, Read the book that I mentioned in my previous post. I think that you will find it very enlightening. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects?
Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big Alternative by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects.
I am sorry that my sarcasm did not get throught in my original post. I was trying to emphasize the ridiculous attribution of therapeutic capability to magnetism. This practice dates back at least as far as Mesmer. Benjamin Franklin showed that the principle at work was gullability. You mention case studies, but you do not mention CONTROLLED studies. This message is not aimed at you personally. It is aimed at all who pomulgate unsubstantiated health claims. William Buchman
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? Billy, We live and have lived surrounded by magnets. The earth is one big Alternative by Dr Ron Lawrence, you will learn about how magnets give pain relief to many who suffer from chronic pains and learn a lot more that you never knew or realized. I recommend this book because I have read several and I found this one to be the most helpful to the lay person. Actually gives lots of case studies and shows how to use magnets in several ways for maximum results and explains why. The book is not expensive and in paperback so that it’s not heavy to hold. Magnets will not cure arthritis. If you remember my previous posts, in answer to your many questions about magnets, you will know that I never said they cure anything. They will just help with the pain in a far less harmful way than the invasive meds that people now take that tend to destroy their bodies and cause lots of other side effects. I am sorry that my sarcasm did not get throught in my original post. I was trying to emphasize the ridiculous attribution of therapeutic capability to magnetism. This practice dates back at least as far as Mesmer. Benjamin Franklin showed that the principle at work was gullability. You mention case studies, but you do not mention CONTROLLED studies. This message is not aimed at you personally. It is aimed at all who pomulgate unsubstantiated health claims. William Buchman </PRE</HTML
Billy, I didn’t realize that you posted this to the board. I though it was to me personally. If you would like to post my answer to you I have no objection. I don’t feel like typing the whole thing again. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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What is the difference between a magnetic field that cures arthritis and one that produces cancer? Why and how do they produce the different effects? WB
Where in the world did you get that magnets cause cancer?
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This is kind of a long story and I’m not going into a lot of details. I have been talking to a researcher at a company that develops agricultural products and what he had to say was most interesting. He said that they know that bovine colostrum impacts arthritis in a big, positive way and they would like to get into the human side of using it for medicinal purposes – but with FDA regulations being what they are, he doubted the company ever would. He said it also seems to help in some but not all cases of autoimmunity conditions – he said he’s seen some remarkable reversals of conditions with its use. I was thinking of trying bovine colostrum, but I’m still a bit hesitant to commit the money. Anyway, I just thought I would throw this out there because the researcher was objective, not trying to sell me his product – which is meant for calves and sheep.
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I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
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Hi Marilyn, I think ‘twould be better to try homo sapiens colostrum.
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Hi Marilyn I’m curious as to the by-product of your study on Bovine Colostrum. I remember in the 5th grade in 1954 our enlightnened teacher instgructed us in the benefits of copper in the cure for arthritis. As for me, I prefer the green wrist look to having refridgerator magnets scotch taped to my knees. Larry Ward
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. — "Give a small boy a hammer and the world becomes a nail." Norman Lampert
Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky
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As for me, I prefer the green wrist look to having refridgerator magnets scotch taped to my knees. Larry Ward
Larry, If you think that Therapeutic Magnets have anything to do with refridgerator magnets you are greatly mistaken. I wouild be happy to educate you if you are interested. Marlynn A day in which I haven’t learned something new is a day lost……
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Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky
And I know of people who have had positive results from magnets the size of a quarter. Good luck with finding out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines.
I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Personally, I don’t think that any magnet small enough for you to carry would have a large enough magnetic field to have any effect on the human body. Norman, I have seen some pretty amazing things with a magnet the size of a silver dollar! Corky And I know of people who have had positive results from magnets the size of a quarter. Good luck with finding out.
I just rec’d a magnet strip from a rep of Nikken. Does anyone know anything about this company? Ron
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Ms LVP wrote in article I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness
Does this perhaps explain why I can’t get my compass to point to north when I’m indoors? Anybody else had that experience? ;-) is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
– Don
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If you think that Therapeutic Magnets have anything to do with refridgerator magnets you are greatly mistaken. I wouild be happy to educate you if you are interested.
OK. You have finally made a statement of fact. How does a therapeutic magnet differ from a refrigerator magnet? William Buchman Why seek truth when error is more fun?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read about some such study several years ago. One of the things they were looking into was magnetic fields caused by electric power distribution lines. I think this is considered an "electro magnetic field" generated by electrical power not the "natural" magnetic field. Remember the earth is a giant magnet & as we live/work in concrete buildings, etc we lose contact with this "natural" magnetism. Using magnets for wellness is a way of "reconnecting" to a "natural" magnetic field & helps us stay healthy. Other countries, especially Japan have been using magnets regularly for health benefits. They are just now becoming known in the US.
In many countries, including Japan, the magnetic products are classified as medical devices and their use it taught in Med schools!
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As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
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WOW! You’ve blown me away with your even posting this information Billy. Thank you for having an open mind and reporting what you heard. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
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It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment …SNIP
I believe I have an open mind regarding magnetic possibilities. What really turns me against magnet manufacturers is that they refuse to support tests like these. It seems they are willing to wait until someone else spends money to prove magnets work. The sad part to me is that these studies can cost very little compared to the profits made. In the meantime people may risk further injury thinking the placebo effect is the real treatment and cure.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! You’ve blown me away with your even posting this information Billy. Thank you for having an open mind and reporting what you heard. Marlynn
My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics. Bill
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My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics.
I’m pretty open to the possibility that magnets may work for some pain. After all, nerve impulses are electrical in nature, and it seems to me that a magnetic field *could* influence that. However, when people start talking about magnets actually *curing* conditions, it’s going to take a lot of proof to get me to accept that. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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Steve, I don’t think that anyone posting any information on this or any other NG has ever said that magnets cure anything. It is the way the people on this NG interpret what people who use or sell magnets say. MAGNETS DO NOT CURE, but they do help to alleviate pain in many situations and are non-invasive. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My mind is slightly open. Do the research in front of skeptics. I’m pretty open to the possibility that magnets may work for some pain. After all, nerve impulses are electrical in nature, and it seems to me that a magnetic field *could* influence that. However, when people start talking about magnets actually *curing* conditions, it’s going to take a lot of proof to get me to accept that. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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Steve, I don’t think that anyone posting any information on this or any other NG has ever said that magnets cure anything. It is the way the people on this NG interpret what people who use or sell magnets say. MAGNETS DO NOT CURE, but they do help to alleviate pain in many situations and are non-invasive. Marlynn
Marlynn, usenet is awfully big to think that *no one* has ever said that magnets cure! <BEG Do a search on Deja News, I’m sure that someone has made the claim. (along with any number of others!) I wasn’t talking about this NG specifically, but I have seen plenty of claims that magnets cure illnesses, in various places, especially on the web. Here’s an excerpt from a website: "Magnetic Health Quarterly" Newsletter Four times a year, Dr. Philpott discusses a Timely Topic in "The Magnetic Health Quarterly" newsletter. This is the most practical "How To" information on the market today. It takes the Guesswork out of Magnetic therapy. You will discover new insights, and a new approach, to many of your health problems. What you’ll learn will not only amaze you, but give you a renewed sense of hope. He discusses topics such as:- 1. Magnetic Pain Relief. 2. Magnetic Reversal Of Diabetes Mellitus. 3. Magnetic Reversal of Atherosclerosis and Arteriosclerosis. The Magnetic Health Quarterly is Dr. Philpott’s most advanced, and most documented information. You will gain a thorough understanding of what to do, How to do it, and why!
When people talk about reversing serious illness with magnets, I just find it difficult to accept anything they say. These extreme claims are one of the reasons that people are so sceptical of magnets in general. Last winter I shoveled out a couple, who’s car was snowed in at the hotel where I work. They told me that they were doing a magnet demonstration at the retirement home down the street. We got to talking, and the man told me that he slept with a magnetic mask that kept him from having asthma attacks. I just can’t buy into the possibility that magnets can stop asthma. All I’m saying, is that those types of claims are one of the reasons that people don’t take magnets seriously. Steve http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve
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All I’m saying, is that those types of claims are one of the reasons that people don’t take magnets seriously.
Oh, I take magnets very seriously. Life as we know it today would be totally impossible without magnets. Motors and generators would not work. As help for arthritis, however, hee hee haw, until they are PROVEN to be useful. Bill
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I believe I have an open mind regarding magnetic possibilities. What really turns me against magnet manufacturers is that they refuse to support tests like these.
The manufacturers supplied the magnets for the Baylor post polio pain study and the Weintraub diabetic neuropathy pain study and the fibromyalgia pain study. I have read a criticism of the Baylor study which said the results were suspect because the researchers had used magnets on themselves before using them on their patients and were therefore biased. Can you blame the manufacturers from standing back from such studies in case that their funding or involvement was used as an excuse to negate the study. In the meantime people may risk further injury thinking the placebo
effect is the real treatment and cure. First, magnotherapy does not cure any condition, it merely makes the symptoms more bearable. It is a complementary therapy to be used alongside conventional treatment. Surely these studies have shown that for post polio pain relief and diabetic neuropathy pain relief, magnotherapy works better than the placebo effect. What more do you need. Or do you want a study on every medical condition which can produce pain before you will accept that magnotherapy is a useful aid to pain relief. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some. Dawn0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As followers of my post may know, I am highly skeptical of such magnet therapy. Today, a researcher from Baylor was interviewed on PBS’s Morning Edition. He believes that magnetic therapy works in spite of his own skepticism. From his description of the experiments, however, he is clearly concerned about the randomness of the trials. He indicated that a paper clip provides the information to distinguish a placebo magnet from a real magnet. He also indicated that magnetic mattresses apparently provide some relief. It is possible to do a randomized controlled experiment using mattresses. Use a computer to drive electromagnets in a mattress. On the same patient, energize the magnets randomly on various nights from the computer. The subjects are asked if they can tell which nights alleviated their pains. The only record should be in the computer so that no human knows which nights are magnetized. Precautions must be taken to prevent the subjects from knowing whether the magnets are turned on or not. This may require mattresses made from nonmgagnetic material. Further precautions need to be taken so that no sounds or heat can be detected by the subjects. Any paper clips or other such items must be kept away from the subjects so that they cannot use them as detectors. I am sure that some would argue that "natural" magnets are different from electromagnets. If it can be proven that that is indeed true, the prover is sure to get a Nobel prize in physics. Such a discovery would be truly amazing. OK researchers. Start your engines. Bill
– "If you have a garden and a library you have everything you need" Cicero
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I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some.
Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time? Bill
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Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time?
I would say more likely that every time they cut, you may have a different outcome. Depends how much blood supply to that particular area, natural healing of that person’s body at that period of time, any drugs that were being taken at the same time that might have inhibitted healing, how much flexing the site was getting which could affect the healing, general health condition of the person… a sample of two incisions that are not controlled is just too small to draw any conclusions. Best regards,
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This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sleep on a magnetic mattress. My experience with my surgery six weeks ago is that I think I have healed faster. The scar has already faded which took two years to get to this point 5 years ago. I believe magnets have their place, for me they do not help with pain. I have tried all kinds and I have a source from a reputable company who provides me with some. Do you think that surgical technique may have improved during that time? Bill
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This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn
What is the evidence that these assertions are true??? Bill
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Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is not an uncommom occurrence for someone who uses magnets. People do heal faster. Magnets help the body to help itself because of the increased blood circulation. Probably a result of what you are sleeping on. Marlynn What is the evidence that these assertions are true??? Bill
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Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though.
I do not believe that for a moment! Bill
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I would have been shocked had you answered any differently. Your loss. Why don’t you read some of the books. Won’t even cost you a penny. Sit at one of the lovely book stores and read away. Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Read books on magnetic therapy written by doctors who have experienced this with their patients. It’s strictly anecdotal…….not the scientific evidence that you seek. Everyone that uses magnets seriously is well aware of this though. I do not believe that for a moment! Bill
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I don’t need to read a book. I know from experience. I have heard that they help some people but not all. I was given magnetic insoles to wear for plantar fasciitis. They did not work at all for me. But that is just me. Not all "treatments" work equally for all people. You must keep that in mind in your blanket statements.
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I don’t need to read a book. I know from experience. I have heard that they help some people but not all. I was given magnetic insoles to wear for plantar fasciitis. They did not work at all for me. But that is just me. Not all "treatments" work equally for all people. You must keep that in mind in your blanket statements.
Suppose a malady can get worse by itself, or better by itself. For arguments’s sake, say it is 50/50. Further suppose that you heard that drinking water while pinching your nose shut, will alleviate the problem. You think it is worth a shot so you drink water that way. There is a human tendency for those nose pinchers who improve to say that nose pinching is a wonderful therapy. The ones who did not improve say that it did just did not work for them but it was worth trying something so simple. Why cannot most of the improved nose pinchers to consider that that nose pinching has nothing to do with it? Bill
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That’s what the studies are for. I’ve posted the URL’s here before, and they are on my website. Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suppose a malady can get worse by itself, or better by itself. For arguments’s sake, say it is 50/50. Further suppose that you heard that drinking water while pinching your nose shut, will alleviate the problem. You think it is worth a shot so you drink water that way. There is a human tendency for those nose pinchers who improve to say that nose pinching is a wonderful therapy. The ones who did not improve say that it did just did not work for them but it was worth trying something so simple. Why cannot most of the improved nose pinchers to consider that that nose pinching has nothing to do with it? That’s what the studies are for. I’ve posted the URL’s here before, and they are on my website. Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study.
No! I will not accept that! I looked at your web page. I will not believe that anyone with personal scientific experience would write that. Magnetic fuel conditioning. What next. You will hear people saying that it will condition hard water. Oops. People are already being scammed that way. Bill the skeptic
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Why won’t you accept that magnotherapy is shown to have an effect in reducing pain. 90% success rate in the diabetic neuropathy pain study. No! I will not accept that! I looked at your web page. I will not believe that anyone with personal scientific experience would write that.
Forget my page for now, look at the two studies and tell me what is wrong with them. Those two studies were done in the US and showed that magnets could relieve pain. If you cannot accept them, tell us why not. The only possible reason I can think of is that the studies are relatively small, but they showed that magnets could reduce the level of pain felt by the users. If you are in pain, magnets may be a viable option for you. They are certainly not a scam. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Now that is funny. Come back to MHA and post that site so we can do something about your server. Harv Houston,Tx They are certainly not a scam. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBai.html Surround Sound for Television
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Here are the sites again. Read them and take up any arguments with the people who wrote them. The magnotherapy and pain relief studies The Washington Post printed the article about the Baylor post polio pain study http://www.astro.queensu.ca/~bworth/Health/Alternative/Magnetic/baylor_s tudy.html NBC New York aired the item about the Weintraub diabetic neuropathy pain study http://www.health-magnets.com/nbcarticle.htm The US Dept of Energy produced the report on Water conditioning by magnetic fields http://www.pnl.gov/fta/11_non.htm If you still think magnotherapy is a scam after that, then you are a fool. Some magnetic salesmen might be con-men, but magnotherapy for pain reduction is no scam. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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I am trying to find information on the effectiveness of magnetic therapy and whether the products the various companies sell (particularly Nikken) work. So far everything I’ve been able to find on the net is stuff written by companies selling product and I’d like to find if there is any independant research. Thanks. John
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John, You might check out Gary Null’s book called "Healing with Magnets"
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If you are interested in using magnets, I’ve used them for many years and swear by them. I mainly use magnets called rare earth neodymium, and in some products magnets that are hi-energy ceramic. These magnets have worked for me more often than not. I have used them for things such as headaches, OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur. They definitely work to take the pain away, which in some cases never comes back. Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have (w/6 of the neodymium magnets) and the pain diminishes greatly. . Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am trying to find information on the effectiveness of magnetic therapy and whether the products the various companies sell (particularly Nikken) work. So far everything I’ve been able to find on the net is stuff written by companies selling product and I’d like to find if there is any independant research. Thanks. John
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Here a few medical journal abstracts on magnetic therapy found by the National Library of Medicine medline search. You can search for free via http://igm.nlm.nih.gov National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Use of magnet therapy to heal an abdominal wound: a case study. AUTHORS: Szor JK; Topp R AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Toledo Hospital, Ohio, USA. SOURCE: Ostomy Wound Manage 1998 May;44(5):24-9 CITATION IDS: PMID: 9697544 UI: 98362883 ABSTRACT: Complementary therapies, in particular magnet therapy, may have benefits to offer in healing chronic wounds. This case study involves a 51 year old paraplegic woman with an abdominal wound that had been present for one year. Traditional approaches to wound care had not achieved complete healing. Prior to surgical intervention, the patient consented to the application of magnet therapy over her usual wound dressing. In one month, the wound completely healed. On the basis of this case, further investigation of magnet therapy for wound healing appears to be warranted. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: Abdominal Abscess/*therapy Cellulitis/*therapy Magnetics/*therapeutic use *Wound Healing ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Alternative Medicine Case Report Chronic Disease Female Human Middle Age Paraplegia/complications PUBLICATION TYPES: JOURNAL ARTICLE LANGUAGES: Eng National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Successful treatment of an acute exacerbation of multiple sclerosis by external magnetic fields. AUTHORS: Sandyk R; Derpapas AUTHOR AFFILIATION: NeuroCommunication Research Laboratories, Danbury, CT 06811. SOURCE: Int J Neurosci 1993 May;70(1-2):97-105 CITATION IDS: PMID: 8083029 UI: 94364783 ABSTRACT: A 55 year old woman with multiple sclerosis presented with a 5 week history of an exacerbation of symptoms. Prominent among these symptoms was trigeminal neuralgia, migraine headaches, blurring of vision, and ataxia of gait. While treatment with carbamazepine (TegretolR) (800 mg/d) and oral prednisolone (15 mg/d) over a 4 week period produced no improvement in symptoms, externally applied magnetic fields (MF) (7.5 picoTesla; 5 Hz) placed over the scalp for a 7 minute period on three different days resulted in a complete resolution of symptoms within two weeks of initiation of treatment. Partial relief of the neuralgic pain and headaches was obtained immediately after completion of the first treatment indicating that resolution of symptoms was related to the eff ects of MF and not to a spontaneous remission. This is the first report demonstrating the clinical efficacy of pico Tesla range MF in rapidly resolving an acute relapse of MS. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: *Electromagnetic Fields Multiple Sclerosis/*therapy ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Case Report Facial Expression Female Human Middle Age Migraine/complications Multiple Sclerosis/complications Serotonin Treatment Outcome Trigeminal Neuralgia/complications PUBLICATION TYPES: JOURNAL ARTICLE CAS REGISTRY NUMBERS: 50-67-9 (Serotonin) LANGUAGES: Eng National Library of Medicine: IGM Full Record Screen TITLE: Initial exploration of pulsing electromagnetic fields for treatment of migraine. AUTHORS: Sherman RA; Robson L; Marden LA AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Service of Orthopedic Surgery, Madigan Army Medical Center, Tacoma, Wash. 98431, USA. SOURCE: Headache 1998 Mar;38(3):208-13 CITATION IDS: PMID: 9563212 UI: 98224316 ABSTRACT: Two studies were conducted during which 23 patients with chronic migraine were exposed to pulsing electromagnetic fields over the inner thigh. In an open study, 11 subjects kept a 2-week headache log before and after 2 to 3 weeks of exposure to pulsing electromagnetic fields for 1 hour per day, 5 days per week. The number of headaches per week decreased from 4.03 during the baseline period to 0.43 during the initial 2-week follow-up period and to 0.14 during the extended follow- up which averaged 8.1 months. In a double-blind study, 9 subjects kept a 3-week log of headache activity and were randomly assigned to receive 2 weeks of real or placebo pulsing electromagnetic field exposures as described above. They were subsequently switched to 2 weeks of the other mode, after which they kept a final 3-week log. Three additional subjects in the blind study inadvertently received half-power pulsing electromagnetic field exposures. The 6 subjects exposed to the actual device first showed a change in headache activity from 3.32 per week to 0.58 per week. The 3 subjects exposed to only half the dose showed no change in headache activity. Large controlled studies should be performed to determine whether this intervention is actually effective. MAIN MESH HEADINGS: *Electromagnetic Fields Migraine/*therapy ADDITIONAL MESH HEADINGS: Adult Aged Chronic Disease Double-Blind Method Female Follow-Up Studies Human Male Middle Age Migraine/physiopathology Support, U.S. Gov’t, Non-P.H.S. Thigh/blood supply PUBLICATION TYPES: CLINICAL TRIAL JOURNAL ARTICLE RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIAL LANGUAGES: Eng
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OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc.
THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur.
This can be construed to be making a medical claim…….quite illegal. They definitely work to take the pain away,
pain is considered a medical term, hence: medical claim Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have
hmmmmm…..OA? is that short for a medical disease?
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OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of.
One of the things to remember is that this is an international board. While those of us in the USA might want to be playing by the FDA rules they do not pertain to our international friends. I have no idea who posted the original message about osteoarthritis but thought a simple reminder that we are not all playing by the same rules would be prudent. Susan
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The claims made below were strictly mine about my own personal experience using neodymium magnets. My claims are true….these are my conditions so what is the problem here? Marlynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OA in both hips, chronic low back pain, heel spurs, etc. THIS naming diseases is exactly what the FDA disapproves of. In most cases I find that, for me, it’s not necesary to use anything other than the small, unobtrusive magnet, or several of them at once, which I happen to be doing now, for a heel spur. This can be construed to be making a medical claim…….quite illegal. They definitely work to take the pain away, pain is considered a medical term, hence: medical claim Unfortunately my OA flares up occasionally, but I just wear a magnetic back belt that I have hmmmmm…..OA? is that short for a medical disease?
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My daughter has just been diagnosed with TMJ. Has anyone heard of using magnetic therapy for this?
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My daughter has just been diagnosed with TMJ. Has anyone heard of using magnetic therapy for this?
Yes, we have a couple of dentist who use the products in their practice and it has helped with TMJ. If you would like, I can get you in touch with them. – Jim
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re TMJ and magnetic therapy, I’ve used one for my neck and back at times and do feel relief. I can see no reason why it wouldn’t work as well for TMJ. Here’s something else to try if that doesn’t work: I have fibromyalgia and have spent much time with a physical therapist (with a prescription from my rheumatologist so it’s covered by insurance.) The therapist also showed me how to do therapy on my own TMJ – a procedure using pressure on the inside and back of the lower molars from inside the mouth. It sounds strange but it does work. Make sure the therapist knows what (s)he is doing as it could also make you worse if it’s not done right. Good luck!
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| Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
Why are you skeptial? If this therapy works, then why question it results. There appears to no side effects from this treatment.
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writes: Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
I believe Jane Heimlich writes about magnet therapy in her book "What Your Doctor Won’t Tell You." You can probably find it in most of the larger chain bookstores. She also writes about other alternative therapies like chelation, etc. She’s married to the "Heimlich Maneuver" guy, and is a champion of a lot of alternative approaches. Hope it helps.
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I have recently been introduced to the field of Magnetic Therapy, particularly in the use of pain control and increased circulation. As you may have guessed, I am skeptical, as are many of the people I have talked to about it. I have become a distributor of Magnetic therapy products, but I would like to find out if there are people doing studies on these devices, and if so where can I get the results. Any comments, what ever you have would be welcome. Jerry Wiebe
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Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). doug
Hi Doug, I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems in most conditions. Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. –Gary
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative | | | | | Anybody out there have any experience with magnetic therapy for arthritus. | This deals with some new testing going on using magentic fields to | stimulate the growth and repair of Cartilage. Is there anything to this? | | Thanks in advance to your repsonse(s). | | doug | | | Hi Doug, | | I’m a holistic health care practitioner and have used magnetic therapy successfully | in sebveral applications. When I recently fractured the cuboid bone in my foot, I | used a magnet on it every day and the pain and healing effects were quite positive. | | Just one thing to keep in mind: always use the North (negative) side of the magnet. | Please be sure about this since the South (positive) pole can create more problems | in most conditions. | | Also, the physical size of the magnet correlates with penetration depth, and the | Gauss (strength) of the magnet correlates to how long to apply it per session. | | –Gary Is there any research supporting your opinion, Gary??? If not, you experimented with it and it may have worked for you. Would it work for someone else? I don’t know. If there’s no studies to back you up, please say so.
For anyone out there interested in doing a little reading on this subject the following list is for you. I have been sleeping on a magnetic mattress now for almost four years. My, own experience, I believe I sleep better on it than off. jim Received: from locator (occs2.nlm.nih.gov) by nlm.nih.gov (4.1/SMI-4.0) Received: by locator (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.10) Status: RO 31 of 55 AUTHOR Biomagnetic Effects Workshop, 1978, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory TITLE Magnetic field effect on biological systems : based on the proceedings of the Biomagnetic Effects Workshop held at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, University of California, on April 6-7, 1978 PUBLISHER New York : Plenum, c1979. DESCRIPTION 108 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER BB5260 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Magnetics – congresses NOTES Limited cataloging. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 8106160 ISBN 0-306-40312-9. LC CARD NO 79-20739 32 of 55 AUTHOR Dubrov, A. P. (Aleksandr Petrovich) TITLE The geomagnetic field and life : geomagnetobiology Geomagnitnoe pole i zhizn’ : geomagnetobiology PUBLISHER New York : Plenum Press, c1978. DESCRIPTION xvii, 318 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 162.M3 D819g 1978a ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Magnetics Physiology NOTES Translation of Geomagnitnoe pole i zhizn’. Bilbiography: p. 255-311. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 7901234 ISBN 0-306-31072-4. LC CARD NO 78-1705 52 of 55 AUTHOR Barnothy, Madeleine F., 1904- TITLE Biological effects of magnetic fields. PUBLISHER New York, Plenum Press, 1964. DESCRIPTION ix, 324 p. illus. CALL NUMBER QT 34 B262b 1964 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Magnetics LANGUAGE English NLM UI 0001325 1 of 55 AUTHOR Bachmann, Kurt, 1929- Stefan, Hermann Vieth, Jurgen TITLE Biomagnetism : principles, models, and clinical research : proceedings of the opening symposium of the Biomagnetic Center Erlangen (5.-6. October 1990) PUBLISHER Erlangen : Verlag Palm & Enke, 1992. DESCRIPTION 118 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 34 B61125 1990 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biomedical Engineering – methods – congresses Electroencephalography – congresses Magnetics – diagnostic use – congresses Magnetoencephalography – congresses NOTES Includes bibliographical references and indexes. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9308754 ISBN 3-7896-0507-7. 2 of 55 AUTHOR Hoke, M. (Manfried) International Conference on Biomagnetism, 8th, 1991, Munster in Westfalen, Germany TITLE Biomagnetism : clinical aspects : proceedings of the 8th International Conference on Biomagnetism, Munster, 19-24 August, 1991 PUBLISHER Amsterdam ; New York : Excerpta Medica, 1992. DESCRIPTION xxii, 904 p. : ill. SERIES International congress series ; no. 988 CALL NUMBER W3 EX89 no.988 1992 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Brain Diseases – therapy – congresses Evoked Potentials – congresses Heart Diseases – therapy – congresses Magnetics – therapeutic use – congresses NOTES Includes bibliographical references and index. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9216444 ISBN 0-444-89268-0 (alk. paper). 3 of 55 AUTHOR Lissens, Mark A. TITLE Clinical applications of magnetic transcranial stimulation PUBLISHER Leuven : Uitgeverij Peeters, 1992. DESCRIPTION xi, 300 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER WL 300 C641 1992 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Central Nervous System Diseases – therapy Evoked Potentials Magnetics Physical Stimulation NOTES Includes bibliographical references. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9314351 ISBN 90-6831-434-3. 6 of 55 AUTHOR Philpott, William H., 1919- Taplin, Sharon Lindsay TITLE Biomagnetic handbook : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow Today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow Guide to medical magnetics, the energy medicine of tomorrow : today’s introduction to the energy medicine of tomorrow PUBLISHER Choctaw, OK : Enviro-Tech Products, c1990. DESCRIPTION 97 leaves : ill. CALL NUMBER WB 890 P549b 1990 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Magnetics Alternative Medicine NOTES A Guide to medical magnetics, the energy medicine of tomorrow–Cover. Includes bibliographical references (leaves 92-93). LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9204875 8 of 55 AUTHOR Williamson, Samuel J. International Conference on Biomagnetism, 7th, 1989, New York, N.Y. TITLE Advances in biomagnetism PUBLISHER New York : Plenum Press, c1989. DESCRIPTION xx, 771 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER QT 34 I61425a 1989 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biophysics Electromagnetics – congresses Evoked Potentials – congresses Magnetics – congresses NOTES Proceedings of the Seventh International Conference on Biomagnetism, held August 13-18, 1989, in New York, New York–T.p. verso. Includes bibliographical references and indexes. LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9310981 ISBN 0-306-43483-0. LC CARD NO 89-49359 17 of 55 AUTHOR Evans, Bruce A. American Association of Electromyography and Electrodiagnosis TITLE Use of magnetic stimulation in the peripheral nervous system : an AAEE workshop PUBLISHER [Rochester, Minn.] : American Association of Electromyography and Electrodiagnosis, [c1988] DESCRIPTION 4 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER WB 141 E917u 1988 ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Electric Stimulation – methods Electrodiagnosis – methods Magnetics Peripheral Nerves NOTES Includes bibliographical references (p. 4). LANGUAGE English NLM UI 9209125 29 of 55 AUTHOR Erne, S. N. (Sergio Nicola), 1944- Hahlbohm, H. D., 1930- Lubbig, H., 1932- International Workshop on Biomagnetism, 3rd, 1980, Berlin, Germany TITLE Biomagnetism : proceedings, Third International Workshop on Biomagnetism, Berlin (West), May 1980 PUBLISHER Berlin ; New York : Walter de Gruyter, 1981. DESCRIPTION xviii, 558 p. : ill. CALL NUMBER W3 IN9324NI 3rd 1980b ACCESS Circulation Desk SUBJECTS Biomedical Engineering – congresses Biophysics – congresses Magnetics – congresses NOTES Proceedings of earlier workshops not published. LANGUAGE
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JL Does anyone have any information on the benefits of Magnetic Therapy? JL I heard that this is a form of accupressure used successfully to JL relieve discomfort in the body. Any comments? It appears that this message is coming from Germany. Your name isn’t German, so I’m guessing your in the military. yes, I can give you some information on magnetic therapy. The Japanese have been using it for over 20 years. I heard that one out of 8 homes in Japan are using this new technology. The magnets are using in a rubberized material which is polarized so that it stimulates the body. Magnetic waves pass through the tissue and secondary currents are induced. This induction reduces pain and inflamation in the muscles and joints. Magnetic waves penetrate the skin, fatty tissues and bones, invigorating general metabolism. Magnetism seems to really stimulate circulation also. We have found the magnetic insoles to be the most effective product for most problems involving circulation or pain in the legs or back. My wife has been wearing them and they have done wonders for the pain she has due to adhesions. Magnetic therapy helps arthritic pain, headaches, muscle aches, etc. We have a friend who is going to have to have his spinal cord cut due to extreme pain in his body. We are going to have him to try the magnetic seat and insoles to see is this will help with the pain. If you have more questions feel free to respond. Ken ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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